How do drug rehab centers get you to stop doing meth/ and or beer?

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I am not saying I dont have an open mind about.

My quote was a bit harsh I did not mean to ruffle any feathers.

I think that is the perception people a lot of people abroad have about rehab and 12 step in America.

And I think their is some research showing having spirituality in your recovery process leads to better outcomes. But there are also plenty of stories where some rehab programs seem more concerned with religious teaching then treating addiction.

I think that is what @schizopath was thinking of when I replied.

I do think that it is a valid criticism that one of the steps in these programs normally involves explicitly admitting that individuals are powerless. Like has been said in this thread, rehabs only work when the individual is ready to make them work - in that way I don't think calling people powerless over their own recovery is accurate.

Its “ powerless over your addiction” not over your recovery, you are responsible for your own recovery

no feathers ruffled here,promise

 

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I I do think that AA absolutely is a cult. They keep people “coming back” by brainwashing them into believing addiction is a “disease” and only through them and their saviors Dr. Bob and Bill Wilson’s 12 steps, that anyone has any hope remaining sober from the incurable disease of addiction. That’s bullshit and anyone that buys that horseshit has been brainwashed.

Addiction isn’t a disease (let alone an incurable one) and AA isn’t the only way to get sober. Plenty of get sober and stay sober, and just because someone gets addicted to heroin doesn’t mean that they will be addicted to all drugs. So complete abstinence from “chemical” is the only way to be sober by working the steps. That bullshit. AA has its place and does help people get sober and remain sober only by accidentally discovering that a community of addicts helping other addicts stay sober and be accountable is paramount. The rest of it is horseshit.

Cool I was a cult member

I have a simple question are you such a weak minded person that going to a meeting an hour a day will brainwash you ? Sounds silly don’t it ?
It’s a place where addicts can gather throughout the world and get support.
Just for the record I haven’t been to a meeting in over 7 years
The “seed” is already implanted in you.

 

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Cult members rarely know they are cult members. The only cult I’m interested in joining is one of my complete design and structure and me as it’s leader. Come to think of it, of course the wizard would be the leader. Except I would wear a ring, and never hurt my people.

btw you accidentally quoted @btechlc with my words. He’s a smart man that @btechlc

Yeah I know I fucked it up,I don’t think there was a way for me to fix it
yes a wizard.

 

[Just a little pinprick]

I think the post you are replying to about brainwashing is for someone else and the quote queue on your reply mixed it up with my username. No worries though.

Yeah I messed something up

 

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I just saw that you edited your post I already responded to. I did state that AA did accidentally stumbled onto the only thing worthwhile about that fellowship, addicts helping addicts get clean. I get turned off by everything else about AA culture. AA Nazis telling you your not sober if you are taking any “chemical”.

It’s a cult culture for sure. I was in AA for a year, realized I was in a cult and never looked back and am still clean today (8 years clean from heroin/opioids). Not everyone is addicted to everything or will be addicted to other drugs because they have an addiction to a particular substance. Addiction to anything is on a case by case basis. What they say about an addict always being an addict is bullshit. “Hi I’m (so and so) and I’m an alcoholic and will always be an alcoholic”. No no, that’s not an identity or necessarily true.

I have more thoughts about 12 step programs, but good for anyone that AA helps/helped get clean.

To me your a AA success story, the motto “ don’t leave till the miracle happens “ applies to you dude, the miracle is” the desire to use is lifted “ it was lifted and you left. I did the same thing I just hung around longer ,I stood about 5 yrs. Like I said the seed is planted and if you ever get in trouble you know there’s a place to go.Do/will you still identify yourself as an alcoholic?
The real meeting are the readings in the beginning of the meeting ,everything that comes after that is lip service. ( it doesn’t really matter much)
Some folks have no life dude and take that the program to the extreme but that’s their problem not mine ,I’m just there to help get clean for them 24 hrs that’s it , them 24’s add up quick.

 

[hardtack]

It's just all about "WILL POWER"- plain and simple ! I don't see using as a problem , but some it is an obsession. You and only you can say I want to stop , nobody really can keep you from wanting to use. They can encourage you but that's it. MY advise use in moderation and if USA was not keeping this as some war on drugs people could probably get more assistance for usage. But they pour billions into keeping prisons filled, cops employed and court industry going.

 

[deficiT]

They don't, necessarily. They give you a safe place in which you can distance yourself from your drug of abuse. It's up to you to quit, you have to want it they can't just make you quit. Yeah, there's meetings and shit like that and group therapy, but ultimately YOU have to do the work.

Detox/rehab is just a nice bubble you can go to to get away from your addiction. When you're out there in the streets, it's really hard to just quit sometimes. You get so sucked into the cycle of abuse that you physically can't stop. Going to detox breaks that cycle, even if only for a few days. Even that amount of a break can be eye opening, and help you make realizations about your life and what you can do to improve it.

 

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I have no problem with addicts helping addicts get and stay clean, especially early on. The fact that AA has meetings literally everywhere on the planet these days for people to go to with other addicts trying to stay clean is convenient, and I’m glad for that (especially for the people newly clean looking for help not using). Other than that, the rest of the program is utter cult bullshit.

It took a while for you to say it but that’s accurate,bravo.

 

[Darksidesam]

Now everyone is different so if you completely disagree with my point of view on this then thats fine

So i think that for a certain group of people suffering from addiction that these drug rehab centers and organisations do not work . My biggest concern with these organisation is that they can become a socialising/meeting point of many people who suffer from the same addictions and also may come from harsh backgrounds/ lives. For me personally the only way i could stop using ketamine or other substances was just to unfortunately cut myself off from certain people/groups indefinitely

 

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It's just all about "WILL POWER"- plain and simple ! I don't see using as a problem , but some it is an obsession. You and only you can say I want to stop , nobody really can keep you from wanting to use. They can encourage you but that's it. MY advise use in moderation and if USA was not keeping this as some war on drugs people could probably get more assistance for usage. But they pour billions into keeping prisons filled, cops employed and court industry going.

“ willpower” and “ just use in moderation “ if I could only bottle these and sell them…..

 

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Now everyone is different so if you completely disagree with my point of view on this then thats fine

So i think that for a certain group of people suffering from addiction that these drug rehab centers and organisations do not work . My biggest concern with these organisation is that they can become a socialising/meeting point of many people who suffer from the same addictions and also may come from harsh backgrounds/ lives. For me personally the only way i could stop using ketamine or other substances was just to unfortunately cut myself off from certain people/groups indefinitely

If a person makes a decision to get clean there are No Wrong Ways To Do It , whatever works , whatever helps you stay clean ,the thing I liked about NA was they never told me I can’t get high ever again which was unthinkable , they only asked me to not to get high for 24 hours which was much more doable, <<<< I couldn’t handle much but that I could do, This is the only thing that really mattered. A meeting helped me fill in a few hrs of my day.In a nutshell NA = staying clean for these 24 hrs ,

 

[hardtack]

“ willpower” and “ just use in moderation “ if I could only bottle these and sell them…..

Exactly -feel that way myself!

 

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I don’t know what you think took me a while to say that was accurate? I thought I was pretty clear throughout this thread about what I thought AA all along?

Really, this was your first post
“12 step programs are mind control cults, but I think he was referring to the rehabs in Indiana (where Mike Pence was governor)? The rehabs there try to take obviously gay men, and “convert” them into believing they’re straight.”

which sounds like either your trolling or you just blurt shit out with the hopes of gettin a rise from someone , are you really that bored, or is that how a wizard kicks back and goes thru life.
You say you went to AA for a year got your life back on track then talk shit, is that a good summary ?

 

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AA is not why I got my life back on track at all or why I am clean today. One does not equally the other. You seem to be making some false equivalency there. I realized what a cult AA was and never went back there or ever talked to those brainwashed people again, if you remember. You seem to be reading what you want to read when it comes to AA. AA unfortunately is such an insidious cult that people in early recovery might have no other opinions for support and they are forced to deal with these people in this cult, that believe all sorts of garbage that it’s true.

That’s what I wrote, read it again. I was pretty clear about that.

Are you that weak minded that you were brainwashed by going to a meeting , seriously, what kinda fuckin dope fiend are you. I thought addicts in general were pretty slick, you may be the exception though. It did take you a year to figure out they were brainwashing you , I guess I just gave you to much credit dude, my bad.

 

[JackARoe]

It did take you a year to figure out they were brainwashing you

I remember people in the rooms commenting on when people said they were brainwashed. They would say my brain needs good washing!

AA/NA of course I had to go to with how many court orders when I was younger. There is wisdom there. I can pluck wisdom and leave the rest. What hurt me is when I left no one wanting to keep in touch as I was "using". That is the cult like behavior that turns me off. I became a pod person to them(invasion of the body snatchers) But I will say I have seen people on skid row lose their house, kids and family bounce back due to help from the people in the program. So while the rooms are not for me, I can find some wisdom and leave the nonsense.

 

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I remember people in the rooms commenting on when people said they were brainwashed. They would say my brain needs good washing!

AA/NA of course I had to go to with how many court orders when I was younger. There is wisdom there. I can pluck wisdom and leave the rest. What hurt me is when I left no one wanting to keep in touch as I was "using". That is the cult like behavior that turns me off. I became a pod person to them(invasion of the body snatchers) But I will say I have seen people on skid row lose their house, kids and family bounce back due to help from the people in the program. So while the rooms are not for me, I can find some wisdom and leave the nonsense.

I agree, take what you need and leave the rest, I was an OutKast in NA cause I didn’t do the sponsor thing , I used the program for what it was which was a way to fill 2-3 hrs out of 24 , I started a lot a shit in my time going there, I didn’t care what people thought about me in active addiction and that didn’t change just cause I wasn’t getting high. I just give credit where’s it’s due.

In five years of going if somethings rubbed of on me it’s , I try to do the next right thing.

 

[Opi_Kid_Rock]

I was only teasing about the gay conversation facilities that Mike Pence as governor supported.

I do think that AA absolutely is a cult. They keep people “coming back” by brainwashing them into believing addiction is a “disease” and only through them and their saviors Dr. Bob and Bill Wilson’s 12 steps, that anyone has any hope remaining sober from the incurable disease of addiction. That’s bullshit and anyone that buys that horseshit has been brainwashed.

Addiction isn’t a disease (let alone an incurable one) and AA isn’t the only way to get sober. Plenty of get sober and stay sober, and just because someone gets addicted to heroin doesn’t mean that they will be addicted to all drugs. So complete abstinence from “chemical” is the only way to be sober by working the steps. That bullshit. AA has its place and does help people get sober and remain sober only by accidentally discovering that a community of addicts helping other addicts stay sober and be accountable is paramount. The rest of it is horseshit.

Bill Wilson was a supporter of LSD’s potential therapeutic uses for alcoholism but by then, the group politics had over-powered him.

 

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Bill Wilson was a supporter of LSD’s potential therapeutic uses for alcoholism but by then, the group politics had over-powered him.

Spoken like a true cult member. “Keep coming back”, “It works if you work it” bla bla bla bla

I’m out

I edited my signature for you dude. I feel complete.

 

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AA is a cult and courts are ordering people to join as part of their sentence. Fuck that shit, their are plenty of non 12 step groups that aren’t as cultish, and correctly say addiction is an incurable disease. SMART recovery is one of them, and it doesn’t require a lifetime commitment.

I think court ordered attendance started with Nixon, I was court ordered in the 80’s to get a paper signed for probation .No shortage of treatment facilities but my favorite is the county lockup.
Who requires a lifetime commitment?

 

[polarthedog]

That’s not my experience at all. I’ve been through detox and and full 90 day and 29 day rehab 6 times so far completing php and after care programs the to times I went through full rehab. I learned a lot about addiction and the tools and support networks one needs for success, enough so that I can teach the shit and do on forums like this one. The rehabs and detox facilities I’ve been through have all been run by qualified medical professionals that were all accredited addiction specialists. There was no mind control cult shit going in the places I’ve gone to.

I’m sorry if you paid all that money to come to America just to go to Passages of Malibu. You really have to do your homework when choosing rehab facilities.

I knew a guy who went to passages of Malibu, what is wrong with that place exactly? I always thought there was something fishy and fake about the commercial