How did you first 'discover' illegal drugs?

[knock]

No but I think that a lot of the legal ones are not crap because they're legal, they're crap because the design of the drug from the start.

Well, of course, the immediate effects of drugs are usually a result of their molecular structure :D Some effects are a function of their legal status - effects like being arrested for possession or supply But this isn't the argument we're having, is it? Cos there is no argument.

here is no problem with etizolam tablets however people having powdered benzos leads to ideas like vaping them in an E-cig.

Yeah well I have powdered etizolam and I haven't considered vaping it in an e-cig so I don't think merely having the powder leads to those ideas, does it? There's nothing stopping anyone crushing up a valium pill and doing the same with that, either. And this is the sort of thing that BL is here for, to discuss these ideas and point out how daft they are So in that respect it seems to work, at least some times.

Its the same with the stimulants its like a lot of them are more fiendish and head fucking than any of the older tried and tested drugs, not saying there isn't the odd good one, but most of what's mass available on "the big 3" UK vendors is utter garbage.

I don't know which specific drugs you're meaning, there are a few stims on the market that I haven't bothered trying as I already have all the stims I want just now. I know that's negligent of me and I should really get on the case! But generally I haven't found any of the (currently UK legal) RC stims to be more fiendish than cocaine, for example. Less fiendish generally. Do you have any specific ones in mind? PV is the most fiendish drug I've tried, although it's possible (just!) to use it without fiending. Meph is a close second. I don't find MPA or ethylphenidate particularly fiendish. EPH is a little compulsive but only a little.

Reviews on here and a lot of places experiances with a lot of these drugs seem to wind up being full of disaster or just all in all not positive.

I've not noticed that myself, most disasters seem to involve benzos, booze and opiates, but I'm sure if you gave the people who had such disasters heroin and diazepam instead of AH7921 and etizolam they'd still have disasters.

I agree that potent powdered benzos and opioids are likely to help people hurt themselves if they're that way inclined. But it's entirely possible to use them safely too. That's what we're here on BL doing, trying to help people use drugs safely. But there is no helping some people. If you're feeling suicidal, or just feeling "fuck it I don't care", then you'll probably find a way to hurt yourself, legal powders or no legal powders.

Fair enough if you've found a few you enjoy, but I'm betting the vast majority of Bl'ers don't bother with most of these ever more random and unknown chemicals.

Maybe but it's not a popularity contest

 

[Mental Kenny]

Well my genius dad used to have books by Timothy Leary on the book shelf in the living room, I read them when I was little, started getting really interested in drugs, while my peers were craving their first shag I was obsessed with trying acid.

Anyway had my first hash spliff when I was 15, then started smoking daily at first mostly solid then weed. All other drugs followed, first mushrooms, then Es, acid, speed, ket and the list goes on.

 

[mydrugbuddy]

robotnik, ive not got time to read all youir post andrest of the thrtead but the main thing is availabilty and price, sure i could have got anything off SR, but i cant currently afford it. Before SR i didnt currentely have the social network for the old school drugs. RC benzos are far from rubbish.

 

[Swarm]

Fair enough if you've found a few you enjoy, but I'm betting the vast majority of Bl'ers don't bother with most of these ever more random and unknown chemicals.

If this is true then i'm proud to be in the minority.

 

[stoopidlies]

From the age of around 10 I was fascinated in local rave tape's, sound's stupid looking back but we used to swap them at school like pokémon cards. Hence having my head pounded with Mcs raving on about some so called amazing drug called ecstasy.

From about the age of 13 the only illegal drug I wanted to try was the above mentioned, anyway started drinking cheap cider & riding the metros at 15, first illegal drug was a little line of yellow base offa pizza box outside a church on an amazingly beautiful summer afternoon (nothing to do with all the colours looking better or the amazing feeling that hit me like a bullit, I often forget base was my first) a week later we bought 5 pills for a tenner between 6 of us I took half nothing happened (pills were windmills I think ~2001/2) I was fucking gutted. Anyway the next weekend I bought 2 double stacked bacardi bats, thought fuck it dropped a full one sat at our bucket spot... nothing happened for what seemed like an age then FUCKING BANG instantly in love (been chasing the pill dragon since) took pills at least once a week until 05 when the proper shite started appearing. Throw in some legal/illegal mushrooms/pollen/skunk around the same time then coke.

Now it's drink/mdma/pills when avail oh & diaz scripted of course.

Sorry about the rant I like reminiscing

 

[brimz]

. RC benzos are far from rubbish.

Ain't as good as real ones though , i mean the real , real ones as well

 

[mydrugbuddy]

I dont allways go to extremes Robotnik. I have often done so in the past, but that is not the same thing as allways going to extremes. These days my opiate consumption is down to the bare minimum, and my benzo comsumption is low enough to allow my brain to function.

brimz is never gonna be convinced that there are decent worthwile RCs. Did you try mephedrone brimz ? Did you like that ? That was a fuckin awesome drug. I dont wanna fall out with him over it, but etizolam suits me just fine (it is 7 times more effective/powerfull as an anxiolytic than diazepam, how can that not be good ), It is prescribed by doctors in countries like India, it is relatively new but there's nothing unreal about it, it binds fully to all benzo receptors in the brain. If you dont overdo etiz, it doesnt fuck you up, you just have to respect it.

A mixture of etiz and ethylphenidate makes a very nice RC 'speedball' to go out drinking on.You can drink and stay with it and feel totally relaxed at the same time. Each to their own pretty much sums up my attitude. That reminds me, have i got any ethylphenidate left ? Shit, dunno where it is,.

 

[kingme]

i must be a strange one.
tried alcohol, never caught on enough to cause a problem.
tried cigs, never cought on with me.
tried weed, didnt htink it was that special.

and then i tried mushrooms. after growing them myself. after reading about them for quite a while online.

you might say the internet was my gateway drug.

 

[mrcientist]

Was part of a group of heavy weed smokers from age 12, didn't touch anything harder for 6 years between 12 and 18, went to uni, had 2 pills at an underground club with roni size playing, and never looked back

 

[kingme]

mmm roni size and pills. who would have thought.

i seriously never saw why people were so enjoying weed that much. probably it was more to do with the fact they were young and feeling cocky for having it in the first place or something. it was shit weed at that.

 

[mrcientist]

It REALLY was shit too, but when you're 12/13, you don't know any better! And yeah haha, the lads that were scoring for us thought they were top boys, quite funny to look back on it now.

Haha, the roni size gig was funny, double-dropped out of pure ignorance, mind blowing doesn't come close

 

[kingme]

i wonder if anyone will pop by the thread and say "this guy - he made me get into drugs" pointing accusing fingers

 

[brimz]

brimz is never gonna be convinced that there are decent worthwile RCs. Did you try mephedrone brimz ? Did you like that ? That was a fuckin awesome drug. I dont wanna fall out with him over it, but etizolam suits me just fine (it is 7 times more effective/powerfull as an anxiolytic than diazepam, how can that not be good ), It is prescribed by doctors in countries like India, it is relatively new but there's nothing unreal about it, it binds fully to all benzo receptors in the brain. If you dont overdo etiz, it doesnt fuck you up, you just have to respect it.

I've dabbled with RC's MXE was a worthy experience . No i have not tried Mephedrone anybody willing to rectify that can pm me . I did however spend years going out every weekend taking XTC & Amphet

As for

(it is 7 times more effective/powerfull as an anxiolytic than diazepam, how can that not be good ),

can i have some proof please .

It is prescribed by doctors in countries like India,

Of course where there health service is so advanced and where loads of the bunk drugs that flood the grey market come from

I get a hypnotic benzo & an anxiolytic one n they serve me just fine . I couldn't imagine Etizolam having anywhere near the hypnotic properties of Nitrazepam & having taken 5mg of Etizolam i was seriously underwhelmed .

As for RC Speedballs

The combo you stated wouldn't do much for me given my tolerance a Speedball is Heroin & Cocaine / Crack IV end of. Anything else is just another drug combo .
Don't be silly about falling out with me ya dafty

 

[Swarm]

A mixture of etiz and ethylphenidate makes a very nice RC 'speedball' to go out drinking on.You can drink and stay with it and feel totally relaxed at the same time.

Great combo. One of my all time faves is mxe and camfetamine. The mxe takes care of energy levels and kills any inhibitions while the camfetamine means you can actually function.

 

[Swarm]

I've dabbled with RC's MXE was a worthy experience . No i have not tried Mephedrone anybody willing to rectify that can pm me . I did however spend years going out every weekend taking XTC & Amphet

Personally I never felt meph was that special. Its a great utility drug in the sense that it hits a lot of the same spots as a combo of cocaine, mdma and speed would, but without being as good as any of them on their own either. I'm not sue if that even makes sense but it certainly is a slightly blunt tool IMO. Others probably wouldn't agree with me though, plus it strikes me as potentially superior to the other drugs mentioned when combined with alcohol, something I don't take.

 

[knock]

can i have some proof please .

The 6/7 times more potent is simply from the recommended therapeutic dosage, which as about 7 times less than that of Diazepam. You can look it up.

Of course where there health service is so advanced and where loads of the bunk drugs that flood the grey market come from

I have never been treated in India nor have I studied it so I can't comment on their health service. I'm sure they do some basic testing though.

 

[mrcientist]

etiz and ethylphenidate is a great shout, if you get the balance right, it's quite superb

 

[kingme]

etiz though kinda affects the memory does it not?
i always feel like im missing out parts of my previous night if i indulge a little in it...

 

[brimz]

The 6/7 times more potent is simply from the recommended therapeutic dosage, which as about 7 times less than that of Diazepam. You can look it up.

You mean 1mg is appx 6/7 mg of diaz yeah ?

I'm still not convinced , i am of the school that Diazepam is the best all round benzo period n trust me i've tried/ been prescribed most of em .

 

[knock]

We know what school you're of :D Yes 1mg etiz -> 6/7mg diaz, for anxiety. According to the documentation.

I'm not saying they have identical effects at these doses, I don't think anyone is saying that.