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How did you first 'discover' illegal drugs?

Was fascinated by coffeeshops as a teen, found that weed went down very well for me. High school was a bit of a struggle, smoking made me "distant" and calm, it helped. Afterwards, I moved out at 17 and lived alone in some shithole appt in one city while studying in another city. As slightly more of an autist than yr average "Aspergers", I suffered a bit, until I discovered things called benzos and opiates could be mailordered, phew. Was very therapy resistant, in fact I was anyone-resistant and very isolated

I came close to stopping my studies after two desperate years, despite getting good grades and really enjoying the material (obsessively so), and I'm sure I would have dropped out without those chems. Benzos and opis were a massive breath of relief. That turned into drinking, stims to sustain the drinking, actually meeting people, cocaine, GHB, heavy drinkin, meeting a ket-dealing neighbour, ket-addiction, mxe/pcp/pce, GHB addiction + alcoholism.

And then the inevitable crash plus recovery, and the way back to finding a sustainable pattern of use that involves a clever use of chems that improve my quality of life with the least downsides to them. BL has been a source of entertainment if not information about doing just that, seeking out the most cleverest way of using life improving chems ....altho some of the banter has sucked me in
Gah.stoned ramble =D
 
So is it just me N Robotnik that got our first fix via a parents stash then or were there some other folk i missed ?

Also i only see ME Bodda , Robotnik n i think BHM started b4 teenage years or did i miss someone ?
 
I was 11 or 12 when I first managed to try on a spliff, I think..was the summer I turned or would be turning 12...why? Compiling a most-earliest or most-hardcorest list, brimz? =D
 
RE: Dr Robotnik post

Meth and crack come in useful if you ever need to barricade yourself inside your own flat with complete sincerity for no actual reason. :-)
 
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brimz said:
So is it just me N Robotnik that got our first fix via a parents stash then or were there some other folk i missed ?

Also i only see ME Bodda , Robotnik n i think BHM started b4 teenage years or did i miss someone ?
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Exact same for me, was about 13/14 I think, me n my best mate nicked a bottle of tequila from his parents n were sat in his room gettin pissed when we ran outta rizlas for our rollies, he mentioned he found a pack in his parents room, off he went to get some but came back upstairs with about 2oz of stinking weed and a few kingskins, we stole bout an 8th from the bag and proceeded to roll a few joints, that began my love for weed.

was about 15 by the time I tried mushrooms, spent a summer doing them and was then introduced to pills by my 16th birthday, needless to say those first few times were amazing! then came coke and ketamine when I was around 17 and spent a good 4 yrs hooked on coke, was quite late to trying acid at around 23 and then opiates which I had avoided previously for the reason I may like them too much.. I was right!

Some really good tales on here!
 
University was a wonderfull opportunity to meet loads of new druggies. In Sunderland all the stoners took over the student union pool room, by the end of the year it was getting heavy and heroin users had started coming to our parties. I loved feeling a part of that scene in Sunderland, there was one hell of a druggie subculture up there. Its probably just as well i left sunderland after one year to change my course. In Bristol i lived in a house where 2 of the guys were hash and E dealers, with plenty of contacts for all the best speed i could ever need. Coke was available too, but i was scared of class As at that point.

It wasnt until mephedrone was banned, and i felt i crossed a line by getting into mdpv as the only alternative. After mdpv opiates and benzos were also on the menu.
 
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brimz said:
So is it just me N Robotnik that got our first fix via a parents stash then or were there some other folk i missed ?

Also i only see ME Bodda , Robotnik n i think BHM started b4 teenage years or did i miss someone ?
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I stole both my first weed and my first cocaine which was proper gucci shit from my old man. He went nuts both times actually flushed the 3.5 of coke down the toilet when he realised I'd been stealing bits!

Nowadays I give him the odd bit of smoke. I've actually got caught red handed at a dinner party last Xmas by my mum and auntie sniffing off a decent bag of the primo stuff and they were that drunk we got off with just dishing out a few lines. Felt pretty cool getting that level of banter with folks. Although believe me chances of that happening again are very low considering recent sectioning etc of some close friends. Parents view all drugs bar me having the odd joint as bad news, their worst nightmare is me coked up and on drink.
 
lurching said:
Was fascinated by coffeeshops as a teen, found that weed went down very well for me. High school was a bit of a struggle, smoking made me "distant" and calm, it helped. Afterwards, I moved out at 17 and lived alone in some shithole appt in one city while studying in another city. As slightly more of an autist than yr average "Aspergers", I suffered a bit, until I discovered things called benzos and opiates could be mailordered, phew. Was very therapy resistant, in fact I was anyone-resistant and very isolated

I came close to stopping my studies after two desperate years, despite getting good grades and really enjoying the material (obsessively so), and I'm sure I would have dropped out without those chems. Benzos and opis were a massive breath of relief. That turned into drinking, stims to sustain the drinking, actually meeting people, cocaine, GHB, heavy drinkin, meeting a ket-dealing neighbour, ket-addiction, mxe/pcp/pce, GHB addiction + alcoholism.

And then the inevitable crash plus recovery, and the way back to finding a sustainable pattern of use that involves a clever use of chems that improve my quality of life with the least downsides to them. BL has been a source of entertainment if not information about doing just that, seeking out the most cleverest way of using life improving chems ....altho some of the banter has sucked me in
Gah.stoned ramble =D
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Nice post lurching. Like MDB I got a good bit of of identification with that ( without wishing to sound sound like we're sat in a drug rehab meeting or something).
 
MDB: I can't understand why anyone who says they've had top quality coke e's speed now bothers with such crap legal chems all the time. No offence but at your age and experiance of drug taking would you want to smoke rc benzo powders or mess around with so many oddball drugs?

I can understand the way brimz and other users here graduated to harder drugs. Its not wise but you always want to take it to the extreme. But RC's opiates and benzos are madness. It is a case of why not just take the established real thing of that drug catagory stims/opiates whatever?
 
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MDB: I can't understand why anyone who says they've had top quality coke e's speed now bothers with such crap legal chems all the time. No offence but at your age and experiance of drug taking would you want to smoke rc benzo powders or mess around with so many oddball drugs?

I can understand the way brimz and other users here graduated to harder drugs. Its not wise but you always want to take it to the extreme. But RC's opiates and benzos are madness. It is a case of why not just take the established real thing of that drug catagory stims/opiates whatever?
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Don't be an idiot all your life. Think it through man.
 
Yeah there are very few mainstream research chemicals now that I'd go looking for or opt for over "real drugs". Obviously there are loads that are good, some that are on par and some that have their uses, but the ratio of good to shit RCs seems to be falling in favour of the latter.

I too can empathise with being somewhat socially awkward and finding drugs could enhance my life skills. I think for most people the discovery of a "magic fix" inevitably leads to destructive behaviour which needs a re-think if its to be sustainable. I'm not quite at the point yet where I can say my drug use improves my quality of life, but I'm on the way. Willpower and learning self control is a big part of that. I can definitely say along with the bad I've had lots of fun, good times, introspection and met loads of cool, interesting people I wouldn't have met otherwise.

It might be selfish to those around me in respect to opiate addiction etc, but there isn't too much I'd change if I was given the chance.
 
I'm not trying to have a dig I just don't get it all these legal things bar a very select few are pretty shit feeling or nasty sides.

Just baffles me even when I go on a bender these days I try to eat sleep get the banter so I don't feel like shite the next day.

I think a lot of these RC's since the cathinone ban are compleyely untested they don't even know if they're any good before they ship them to the uk (2-meo-ketamine etc).

I can understand the legal issues would mean buying classified drugs is a no no for them but MDB being in the uk why would you do that to yourself. Sorry but I just think most of these drugs are psychosis ridden or overly messy for benzos/opiates ie in the long run just not as good as the illegal established version.

Not trying to say anyone shouldn't take any drug just baffles me as to why.
 
Methylone, 3FMC etc are still available.

2FMA, etizolam and methoxetamine are three examples off the top of my head that are completely justifiable in buying.

I'm not going to get into legal issues as

A) laws are different in different countries
B) with the amounts I'm talking about I couldn't care less
 
3-MeO-PCP is an oddball RC. I'm not sure how you would classify GBL, but it's definitely not a classic mainstream "real" drug.

I have eaten, smoked, plugged and on one occasion injected pretty much every type of drug there is. I haven't tried them all, not by a long shot, but I'm confident I have a fairly good idea of the range of experiences possible. Some of my 3-MeO-PCP/GBL combo experiences are in the top three drug experiences of my life.

This real drugs versus pretend drugs argument is so far off-base it's like debating with Raas. Maybe it's just the way people express themselves?

The only merit I can see in the argument is about safety; RCs and similar are an unknown quantity, although GBL is a food additive and occurs naturally in the body. And we have expert chemists here on BL who usually give us the heads up if things look dodgy from a theoretical perspective.

It's true that many good RCs/formerly legal drugs are now illegal in the UK (like the two I've mentioned) but they're still available from abroad. And just because you don't like etizolam, doesn't mean no-one likes it.

Some people, including me, use some legal drugs because they are easier (for them) to get, typically in pure form. Sometimes they simply have the effect that we're after. Take ethylphenidate. Sometimes I want plain stimulation. I don't want to get fucked, I just want perked up. So sometimes I use ethylphenidate.

I have a range of drugs in my box, some are class A and some are uncontrolled. Some of them are shit! (2-MeO-Ketamine I'm looking at you - although some people seem to enjoy it, so really it's just shit for me). But I don't see any sense in turning my nose up at legal drugs just because they're legal. There is no sense in that, unless you're just trying to look hard ;)

This isn't a complex philosophical argument. It's fucking obvious.
 
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Where am I ever saying I have a problem with all RC drugs? I enjoy a few of them, 2c's, mephedrone, 4-FA etc but these drugs are out numbered 10 to 1 with dodgy sketchy stims that aren't worth the comedown or more sloppy than usual powdered benzos.

The rc scene in general still has a lot more interesting new stuff to come. Mkat and mxe in the last few years are the most noticable but there will be bigger breakthroughs to come.
 
I'll quote you:

But RC's opiates and benzos are madness. It is a case of why not just take the established real thing of that drug catagory stims/opiates whatever?
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This is what I'm responding to. I've given you some reasons in my last post. But the fact I have to give you them makes me question your commitment to thinking for yourself.

If you had said, instead, something like "there are fewer decent UK legal RCs around just now than there were a couple of years ago" then I'd have no argument. But instead you chose hyperbole.

I'm on AH7921 right now. An opioid RC. I preferred o-desmethyltramadol but that's been controlled, and seems to be a rarity even on the international market. I prefer poppy pod tea, too, but it's an effort to prepare whereas it's easy to cap up some AH. But it's still pretty decent at the right dose (something most people seem to have a problem with! Over on the OD megathread there's a guy moaning that it doesn't work, but he's not dosed above 130mg, which is well below what I find to be the minimum recreational dose of 200mg). And I can get 10g, of consistent quality, for £120, delivered to my door. So there's quite a lot to be said in it's favour. I'm pretty sure it beats codeine, which a lot of people enjoy - even just the duration of effects makes it a competitor, it lasts for hours and hours and hours.
 
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Lol alright man.

It's not like we haven't read about just one or two RC benzo and opiate disasters on here is it?

I can see why some younger users would start off with buying RC's, or people who wanted to avoid the law. But opiates and benzos your in many cases talking about people self medicating, if your still at sensible use. So I just don't understand why go for the unknown benzo/opiate hardly anyone has tried with a dose that's active at .5mg or whatever.

So easy to just slip up and so many people on here have. Needles and drugs like these are the two things that always seem to end badly for anyone I know.
 
Dr_Robotnik said:
Lol alright man.

It's not like we haven't read about just one or two RC benzo and opiate disasters on here is it?
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Yes but those disasters are fuck all to do with their being legal, or not "real". I've had my own etizolam disasters, but I would have had them with diazepam, or temazapam, too, because all benzos, AFAIK, can cause blackouts and chaotic behaviour if you take too much with alcohol.

And you know full well that people die from heroin ODs. No-one is suggesting that legal opioid RCs are safe to overdose on!

I can see why some younger users would start off with buying RC's, or people who wanted to avoid the law. But opiates and benzos your in many cases talking about people self medicating, if your still at sensible use. So I just don't understand why go for the unknown benzo/opiate hardly anyone has tried with a dose that's active at .5mg or whatever.
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Etizolam is a prescription medication in some countries. What relevance is your .5mg comment? Many traditional drugs are also potent in single or sub-milligram doses.

So easy to just slip up and so many people on here have. Needles and drugs like these are the two things that always seem to end badly for anyone I know.
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It's easy to slip up with heroin. The danger with potent drugs is not the potency of the drug but the unfortunate behaviour of the drug user, for example not using volumetric liquid dosing. And some people OD because they WANT to OD. Or maybe just because they don't care about their own lives enough to be careful.
 
No but I think that a lot of the legal ones are not crap because they're legal, they're crap because the design of the drug from the start.

There is no problem with etizolam tablets however people having powdered benzos leads to ideas like vaping them in an E-cig.

Its the same with the stimulants its like a lot of them are more fiendish and head fucking than any of the older tried and tested drugs, not saying there isn't the odd good one, but most of what's mass available on "the big 3" UK vendors is utter garbage.

Reviews on here and a lot of places experiances with a lot of these drugs seem to wind up being full of disaster or just all in all not positive.

Fair enough if you've found a few you enjoy, but I'm betting the vast majority of Bl'ers don't bother with most of these ever more random and unknown chemicals.
 
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