Opioids How dangerious is it to speedball? (or anything close to one..)

[SirRollsAlot]

Hey BL!
Back again with a few questions regarding how dangerous it is mixing opiates/opioids and stimulants/amphetamines. Here's my "speedball" experience.

Ok so story goes, me and my friend were hanging out and enjoying some oxycodone. We insufflate roughly 15mg-25mg and enjoy a car ride ( we are not driving, a perfectly sober girl drives us around listening to music and such). Around 30-40 minutes after dosing we get invited to hangout with some more friends at a house, on the ride we agree to enjoy some more when we get there.

Wen we arrive the effects are still kinda there but are subtle, we decide to wait for certain people to leave before me go at it again. Right as we get there we're offered some sips (3-4) of "lean" aka codeine, basically just mixed with sprite. There were very slight effects. Right after the sips, I talk to a kid about some stuff and he gives me about 2 shots of Captain Morgan. A littler after my friend smoked, i didnt.

Fast forwarding about 30-40minutes me and my friend decide its time to split a oxy 30. We rail 15mg (low tolerance at the time) each. I feel kinda good, definitely nothing having me drooling or catching even a little nod. But to say the Least I feel pretty decent. No more than 5-10 minutes later, our good friend bust's out the Yay, I notice and recall my previous experience with really shit blow, and recognize my existing desire to do a line.

He gets really awesome coke, and offers us both a line, my friend (older and obviously more experienced) doesn't hesitate saying yes. I take a little over half my line first because I was worried and figured I'd do the rest in a little bit if all was well. Very smooth and slightly mouth numbing. Very pleasant, euphoric, and relaxed stimulation. Not edgy and tweaky. I knew it was good. Less than 5-10 minutes later I finish the rest. I am given about 4 more sips of lean again.

About 8 minutes later I take a big bong hit and lately when I smoke I've gotten anxiety an paranoia, the 1 hit more then did it and didn't neccasarely freak me out that bad, although I became concerned on breathing (throat felt small, like it was closing, and wether I'd survive) it wasnt all that bad though, i just felt uncomfortable, no where near panic attack mode. When I got home and the yay wore off I nodded so hard! I was concerned about CNS depression and falling asleep. But all was well.

How dangerous was this little cocktail/speedball. Yes I know it isn't a True Speedball but it's damn close.
Sorry for length but thanks for always helping BL:D

 

[Znegative]

It's really not close at all to shooting heroin and cocaine in the same solution..

Mixing stimulants and depressants is not as dangerous as mixing different downers together (like oxy and capt. Morgan), but it carries some risks. Many people end up overdosing with speedballs or pseudo-speedballs,because they overdid it with the depressant in an attempt to assure a smooth trip.

 

[SirRollsAlot]

What happens when you mix the downer with the upper though? That seems like it would be really hard on the heart

 

[Mr.Scagnattie]

^^

It's actually not. There even is a sort of balance created.. Like Z said, it's more dangerous to mix two depressants together than it is to add a stimulant. The way your talking about doing it..if you even want to call that a speedball..really isn't a big deal, hah.

 

[pzoxic]

Mixing 2 of the same drugs (Downers+Downders and Uppers+Uppers) are more dangerous than mixing ups with downs because they sort of cancel each other out, where as if you mixed two of the same types of drugs, they cause a synergistic effect, which means they really really potentiate each other which means a higher risk of ODing. Good luck!

 

[Albion]

Main danger of speedballing is overdosing on the downer, usually because people redose both drugs together, with the stimulant masking the effects of the downer. Once the stimulant wears off, the effects of the layered doses of the downer are increased and lead to an OD.

 

[kokaino]

Speedballs are notoriously dangerous. Many have died of this drug mixture, so it is best left for the most experienced and tolerant drug users. Heroin and cocaine or morphine and cocaine are true speedballs. Any other mixture of a downer and a stimulant is NOT a speedball. So mixing amphetamines with an opioid is not a "speedball". The original speedball was cocaine and morphine, not heroin. But that is why they call heroin, morphine and cocaine "cotton brothers".

 

[tricomb]

@OP, It really helps to break up your post into paragraphs so that it's readable.

 

[sekio]

I had always figured the primary risk of "speedballing" comes when you have a "classical" speedball - short acting stimulant (cocaine) and long lasting powerful opioid (heroin). The cocaine, acting as a powerful stimulant, can allow a user to take more heroin than their "sober" system can tolerate. The result is the user administers the cocktail, gets a rush, and once the cocaine wears off (in 5-30 minutes) the dose of heroin (which has a much longer half-life - 3-4h) may be enough to cause them to become very ill or just fall asleep and stop breathing.

Amphetamines have actually been used as a potentiator for opioids in pallative care rather successfully, this is likely due to their norepinephrine releasing properties. This works much better because the drugs' duration of effects are much closer to one another. In most cases the amphetamine will last much longer than the opioid, and generally amphetamine overdoses carry a much decreased risk of death by respiratory collapse or aspiration.

Mixing drugs that increase and decrease heart rate is not neccesarily "bad for your heart". Your heart is not an engine with a discrete gas pedal and brake.

 

[THC2LSD]

Two dangers. One, opiates block the vagus nerve which tells the heart to slow down. This can make a fast heart rate worse. A fast heart rate by itself isn't dangerous, not sure if opiates make it dangerous. Two, both opiates and uppers lower the seizure threshold.

 

[SirRollsAlot]

Thanks for the info everyone, I'm pretty sure I made it clear I understood I didn't do a Actual speedball. Hence the "something close to one" (downer + upper)