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Opioids How can I make my kratom expereinces more predictable ?

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I have been using kratom perhaps 2-3 a month as well as light opiates 1-2 times a month (to keep down tollerance and addiciton risk). my opiate experiences are regularly great, and always similar, however i dont have such luck with Kratom.

A few times i have had mind blowing Kratom expereinces from 5 grams od maeng da kratom, and other times felt nothing that isnt possibly a placebo fom 8-9 grams. I always take kratom 4-5 hours after eating and makes sure i am in a good frame of mind. I am really after some advice on how I can make sure I have a good kratom expereince, at least more often, as I dont like wasting drugs, and kratom is :!ing expensive.

I appreciate any feedback :)
 
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swimming isn't allowed here, you'll probably get more responses if you edit in first person pronouns there.
 
I'm going to assume your name is SWIM, and you like to talk about yourself in 3rd person.

Is your kratom all coming from the same bag? Because that's the only real way to be sure it's going to be consistent. Even if you're getting the same strain, purity and potency can vary a lot. I'd recommend just buying a decent amount of 1 strain from a vendor, rather than buying loads of different types from different sources.

Also check out this thread, those guys probably know a lot more about kratom than I do =D
 
Hi, welcome to BL.

We don't allow the use of SWIM here, it doesn't protect you. Please edit it out of your post.

Please read the BLUA and OD Guidelines in my signature.
 
Thanks for the headsup, I will do. Also I have only switched vendors once. But I have had this effect multiple times from the same 25 g bag. One day Its great the next day nnothing. I even complained to a vendor after 4 dud experiecnes from one bag, they appologized and sent me another, i tried the last remains from the "dud" bag and got the eexpected results. Thats when I began to think the problem lied in me, And I felt terrible for ripping them off.

edit: I cant seem to edit the title. I hope its ok as is. Ive read the rules now hehe.
 
faceplant said:
I have been using kratom perhaps 2-3 a month as well as light opiates 1-2 times a month (to keep down tollerance and addiciton risk). my opiate experiences are regularly great, and always similar, however i dont have such luck with Kratom.

A few times i have had mind blowing Kratom expereinces from 5 grams od maeng da kratom, and other times felt nothing that isnt possibly a placebo fom 8-9 grams. I always take kratom 4-5 hours after eating and makes sure i am in a good frame of mind. I am really after some advice on how I can make sure I have a good kratom expereince, at least more often, as I dont like wasting drugs, and kratom is :!ing expensive.

I appreciate any feedback :)
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Get a bunch of the same batch.
 
If you're kratom is from a legitimate source, at 5 grams there should be no questions as to whether its placebo or not. Its possible that if its from the same bag your good experiences have just been placebo and its actually junk or maybe its some sort of tolerance? Try holding off for a three weeks to a month and see what happens.
 
they are most defintiely not placebo experiences, a few times its been so strong i have vomited from the nausea (and not minded vomiting even one tiny bit). The way it feels to me, my tollerance is changing daily, but im not sure if that is physcially possible, or if it is, why its happening. I am currently on a now kratom break for around three weeks. But Im getting a bit frustrated as I though i was being more than carefull enough on the dodging tollerance front.
 
Do you get leaf or powder? Potency often variese in plants, as they are not pills. Grind it all up and thoroughly mix it up to even it out.

That aside, your diet and metabolism play a key role, especially if your diet can affect your metabolism, same going on with exercise or lack thereof.

It's more powerful when taken on an empty stomach.

I believe zinc and magnesium will potentiate to a certain extent, and possibly even DXM.
 
I get the very finely chopped leaf, as I feel like Im getting everything that way. But in the past Ive tried the refined powders, the extracts, and the resin to all exactly the same disspaointing end.

When you say metabolism plays a key role. Do you mean that if I was to have a farily active day Id be more liekly to have a good experience that evening ? As I think that might be partly to do with it. its hard to know when your stoamchs empty but as much as I can i try to take it on an empty stomach.

I have tried alcohol and a few extremely cautious doses of opiates to potentiate it, but its had a negligable effect, and Im not willing to try higher doses for fear of dangerous cns depression. I am in the UK, and depsite looking high and low I cant find DXM anywhere, I have found several brands of cough syrup contaiing DXM but I just cant find a shop that sells them, Its all anti histamines.
 
I've had the best experiences with mainly powdered leaves taken in capsules. How do you prepare yours?
 
If i can stomach It I toss and wash, But some days I just cant face the taste. Those days I wrap it up in 3-4 little parcels from the thinnest tissue paper I can get away with and bomb them. I know eating paper isnt ideal but its the only way I can get it down, I sure would love to be one of those people that come to enjoy the taste. I have tried capsules and had a very odd experience, I am half suspicious they sent me gastro resistant capsules as everything pointed to them being broken down in the intestines instead of the stomach.

Id take a normal amount in capsules, feel nothing till about mid day next day. When Id feel naseous, hot flushes and basically all of the bad effects of kratom with none of the good.

This is all really helpfull, thanks guys.
 
Hmm, that is strange. If you feel like trying capsules again I would say get them at one of the big online stores, they should be marketed as used to make your own vitamins. They usually run pretty cheap for 1000+. Though I'm guessing the paper would work just as well. I'm wondering when you said you got no effects at some point, did you have just no positive effects, or nothing at all? Next time you try it I would recommend an empty stomach like mentioned before.
 
Maybe kratom simply does not work well on you.

As far as an empty stomach goes, I'm talking about dosing when you wake up, or to try to avoid dosing when you have just eaten a huge meal. Let it hit you first, then eat.
 
ur tolerance is gonna go up even if u only use every few weeks. over long periods of time anyway. luckily kratom is pretty tame as far as opiates go.

i have no idea why ur tolerance would go up an down so much [if this is indeed the issue] unless u r taking it a bunch of days in a row nd then the last few days it doesnt realy do shit but then u wait a month and take the same dose and get fucked. that would b tolerance. but im guessin this isnt whats going on
 
I highly recommend the powder also I've gotten much better results from it (all I've had is Bali and maeng da I liked Bali waaaay better).. and as to the price it isn't expensive if you're getting it from the right place- I used to get pre filled capsules from a headshop around the way until I realized that on the net I can get much better stuff at 1/10 the price, a cigarette habit would cost 3x the amount at a pack a day ill put it that way.. I've found that less is definitely more though.. but my results STILL vary even after doing it dozens of times I still don't have it down to a science =\
 
Just a side note.. I LOVE that we don't allow swim here. It's so fucking gay on other forums when people say swim this swim that or dumb ass shit like uhh my cat was experimenting with said drug.

Is the kratom you are using all fromt he same batch/source? If you are getting different quality kratom this will have that effect... you might think its your tolerance but it's a better or wose product you are using.
 
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