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How bad is MDMA + Speed combo really? Planning for a really long rave..

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Hello, BL.

I plan on going to a rather long upcoming rave (12 hours) and am having trouble planning out how I wanted to space/dose the night. I've gone to the same event in previous years and never really seemed to get it right so I'm looking for some outside advice.

Some random info:
~Been rolling for about 2.5-3 years.
~My last proper roll was in late October. (This has been the longest break from MDMA that I've taken since I've started rolling way back when.)
~I only really have access to Speed and MDMA.
~MDMA is tested 91% pure, the speed (ice) isn't but I've taken it in the past and it feels clean relative to other (crappy/cut) Speed I've taken in the past. Not much of a high, just keeps you awake/lots of energy

Ideally I want to be able to enjoy the majority of the show without either a)taking a sh*tload of drugs and feeling like crap for a week and b)resorting to just MDMA and feeling tired/not feeling like dancing.

I've experimented with the Speed and MDMA combo in the past and do enjoy the high and like the combination. I am aware (thanks to this forum) of the high neurotoxic risks that it presents. I've never tried MDMA + caffeine or the 5-hour energy so I don't know if those are suitable alternatives. This is how I was planning on spacing out my rolls, I wanted to get a second opinion if this is a good way to go about it or not:

12:00am: Rave begins.
12:00am - 4:00am: Stay sober, enjoy the music, chill, etc.
4:00am: Dose ~50mg of Speed (ideally half of my upcoming dose of MDMA)
5:00am: Dose ~100mg of MDMA
7:00am: Dose ~50mg MDMA bomb
8:00am: Dose ~50mg MDMA bomb
9:00am-12:00pm: Smoke Weed to keep the roll going until I can't anymore/just leave.

I've realized from past experience that once you start coming down, you won't be coming back up regardless of how many more drugs you take, so that is the reason why I want to kinda shove all my doses into 4 hour period. In the past I've usually matched my Speed amount with my initial MDMA amount and that usually leads to awful comedowns/sweating/hungover for a week/etc. Should half the initial MDMA amount be suitable? Or should I perhaps go even lower to about 1/4th? Or Maybe start with 1/4 and redose the other 1/4 later. 8(

Any advice is appreciated, thanks! =D
 
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I'd recommed a slight larger initial dose - 150mg?

Also, I'd take the two 50mg bombs a little earlier. Maybe like 6:30 and 7:30?
 
I REALLY recommend a 5 hour energy.

MDMA and METH (not speed, speed is amphetamine) is a awfully great combo.. and by that, I mean it's so good it's BAD. Honestly, meth completely kills the love of the roll for me. Just destroy it, turns the high from a love filled experience I want to share with others into a self centered, euphoric-driven quest for more neurochemicals to flood my brain with. I used to do the combo a LOT.. until it basically melted my brain.

A few MDMA + meth pills (tested by Ecstasydata) set off the WORST comedown of my life, one that followed me around for months. It was truly awful, and I would never touch the combo again after that.




If you're dead set on it though, I'll give you some advice.

Cut the meth dosage, 25mg is PLENTY. Even that is a bit much.. you don't want a lot at all, even just a TINY bit will give you the energy and feelings you're looking for... but too much destroys the roll and turns it into a tweaky, cracked out high. If I ever did the combo again, it would be with like, 15mg tops. That's just enough to get you up and dancing, but not kill the mood. The two potentate each other GREATLY, so even if that dose wouldn't do shit to you normally when you're rolling it will.


Also, don't take the speed before the MDMA. Take them at the same time.. I would recommend 100-125mg with 25mg of meth as a starter dose, that will get you crazy haha. Also don't redose twice.. the more you redose, the more damage is done. After about 2 hours from the first dose, drop another 100mg. That should keep the roll going as long as the meth high is up. The later you redose, the more damage that is done as well.. so try and do it before 2 hours, 3 at the VERY latest. Tolerance builds fast, so the sooner you take it the more you'll get out of it.




Do know that this combo will make you feel like SHIT after. It has the WORST comedown of ANY drug I've taken or abused.. just think about it, your body will be low on almost EVERY neurochemical it has up there after an experience like this..... you feel awful. That's why I recommend the 5 hour energy, it keeps you up and dancing but doesn't really add to the comedown. It's more than the caffeine that helps, they are chuck full of B Vitamins that gives your body the nutrients it needs to make it's own energy.... meth can't do that.



I would like to know how you tested your MDMA as 91% pure though... that sounds like some BS, haha. They don't have testing centers in Kansas....
 
I definitely agree with folley. That combo should be called the brain melter, there is 100% chance you will wake up feeling you have a damaged brain / emotional system. Is 8 hours or so of fun worth at least 100 hours of real pain, followed by more recovery? No it is not. Man up and just take the MDMA and force your self to get up. I have gone to plenty of raves on clean mdma, and stood up giving light shows the whole night. It feels great sitting down, but if i want to get up... i get up.
If you must have something else, get a red bull or so. Just don't use meth combined with MDMA..
 
Regular user of meth and mdma up in hurrr. Id say SNORT (last longer, more energetic and less relaxing than smoking or shooting)at leeeast 100 mg of speed all at once or spaced out in 2 lines quickly. Then drop 100 mdma once youre feelin ok, wait an hour and another 50 to 100. Im a serious raver too. Im going to shambahala, its a week long nonstop rave right near where i live. Gonna use 3 points of speed a day to keep me up and raving, mdma so i can daaance and feel happy and peaceful ect. then having lsd one day, mushrooms one day, 25c nbome one day and dob one day. Lolol i wont have to deal with being braindead after though because EXCISION IS GONNA KIIIIL MEH.
 
Brandasaur said:
Regular user of meth and mdma up in hurrr. Id say SNORT (last longer, more energetic and less relaxing than smoking or shooting)at leeeast 100 mg of speed all at once or spaced out in 2 lines quickly. Then drop 100 mdma once youre feelin ok, wait an hour and another 50 to 100. Im a serious raver too. Im going to shambahala, its a week long nonstop rave right near where i live. Gonna use 3 points of speed a day to keep me up and raving, mdma so i can daaance and feel happy and peaceful ect. then having lsd one day, mushrooms one day, 25c nbome one day and dob one day. Lolol i wont have to deal with being braindead after though because EXCISION IS GONNA KIIIIL MEH.
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That's retarded. OP, please don't listen to him.. not to mention all of his drugs have some serious cross tolerance, so I bet he won't even be having that much fun with all that.


Don't snort, shoot OR smoke the meth. All are incredibly fiendy RoAs. Oral is the only way to go if you're mixing it with MDMA, but do make sure you take them at the same time. Tolerance will fuck you over otherwise.



Remember, you just want a LOW dose of meth. Even 50mg is too much, you only want enough to add energy to the MDMA, not overpower the love filled roll
 
If you want something to help you get through a long rave, I recommend low-dose LSD over speed. Plenty of stimulation and euphoria for a long duration, without the neurotoxicity.
 
Thanks for all the replies! Some thoughts:

~I don't have access to LSD.
~Isn't speed an amphetamine not a METHamphetamine? What's the difference between methamphetamine and amphetamine? I thought they were different things...?
~Is it really better to take the low dose with the MDMA simultaneously? I'm worried that it might be too much of a come-up. To be fair though, in the past, I've usually matched the dose of speed to my MDMA...as in I'd take about 100mg of Speed wait an hour, then drop the same amount of MDMA, fantastic high, but I'm well aware of the dangers of mixing that much together. Usually feel amazing FOR HOURS lesbihonest. The comedown/hangover usually isnt UNBEARABLE which is why I'm leaning towards half the MDMA dose for the speed. Is it really THAT bad for me?
 
Clocktower said:
If you want something to help you get through a long rave, I recommend low-dose LSD over speed. Plenty of stimulation and euphoria for a long duration, without the neurotoxicity.
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^That's the best alternative anybody has suggested so far to the meth/MDMA

150 mg of MDMA
2.5 hours in, a good stiff dose of some decent L....a little weed later, or a few bumps of K or a a little benzo at the very end...you're golden

However, I love the Ex/crystal combo!

but I wouldn't space out the Ex....I'd go with 150-200 mg of Ex to start...
100 mgs of crystal, 3 hrs in
then the weed/K/benzos the last 2 hrs

for one night, if you end it with enough landing gear to knock yourself out and you go straight home....maybe smoke a little weed in the morning....I used to do that without missing a beat every weekend....It's if you go to an after-party, dose more MDMA and keep going for a few days that you really pay, IMO!

One night of binging on just about anything(not literally anything) you can get away with IMO, and thats a great combo for dancing, playing music, sex, socializing, just about anything.....Just don't make it a habit!
 
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