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how bad is ecstasy for you, really?

"Some sites that will help you.
http://thedea.org/
http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/mdma/mdma.shtml"

Sometimes i think these should be compusory reading to post in this forum. Then i remember my young e-tarded self desparately seeking answers... ahhhh those were the days....
 
i have my doubts about ecstasy being as bad for you as everyone makes it out to be.
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It's not as bad as they make it out to be...but not harmless. MDMA ('ecstasy') should be used only infrequently in the long run (I generally think of once a month as a max, and even that can eventually get to be a bit much.) Frequent use can cause trouble with memory, sleep, depression, anxiety, etc. Partying every weekend can and does turn some people into nervous, confused wrecks.

i believe this because i have heard reports of it being used to psycho-therapy purposes. why would they administer something that is said to have such horrible after effects?
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They wouldn't. Given that even the FDA (which regulates drug safety in the US) has approved giving MDMA to people for research into it's therapeutic effects (see: http://MAPS.org ) you can be confident that the best minds in the business don't actually believe a few occasional moderate doses of real MDMA are a serious risk. Of course, that comes with a number of caveats: Some pills are cut with other drugs, which can make them more dangerous. Therapy patients aren't taking a dozen pills in an evening, and they aren't doing it every weekend. MODERATION is the key to preserving your health when it comes to drug use.

i also believe this because i have heard that MDMA occurs naturally in your brain's chemistry, and when you consume a pill.. it releases extra of the chemical in your brain.
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MDMA doesn't occur naturally in the brain, but it does work primarily by releasing chemicals that your brain does produce (neurotransmitters like serotonin and dopamine.)

i was also told by a scientist that the normal doasge of mdma is anywhere from 100mg to 125mg.
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That's generally the case. People can vary in their sensitivity, and larger people usually need larger doses than smaller people. If you are unsure of how a batch of pills will affect you, take what you think will be a light dose, then take more if desired once it has kicked in.)

he said if one were to take this dosage at a rate of once per week, it would be safe with no long term effects.
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I disagree. While some people seem to be able to use once a week for extended periods with little ill effect, some people develop rather significant emotional instability and other mental problems. More people seem to simply become a mildly depressed. Since the effect can be subtle and sneaks up on you, you may not notice that thinks are going wrong. The week(s) after use, pay close attention to how you feel. If you aren't quite as happy or mentally sharp as you should be, take a break of several months or more.

The reason this sort of thing happens is that your brain develops a sort of tolerance to the neurotransmitters MDMA releases, making it harder for your brain to operate normally without the drug. You might think of it as a hangover that can, in worst-case scenarios, last for months!

i was told by health teachers and doctors that it is the worst drug you could ever do.
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Statistically speaking, cigarettes are probably the worst drug you can do (in terms of the risk of addiction, injury and death.) The people you spoke with were probably thinking of the (now discredited) claims that MDMA use inevitably causes irreversible brain damage or things like Parkinson's disease.

i just want a clear answer about the effects ecstasy really has on your brain/body, PLEASE!?!?!!
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It's a bit hard on you (as is drinking), but no lasting harm should occur from an occasional dose in an otherwise healthy person.
 
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Clean MDMA IMO is veery safe as long as you dont abuse the drug... 1-2 rolls a month should be maximum. However all the adulterants going around in pills nowadays is the harm..

Holes in the brain - complete myth
 
Here is a basic rule for taking all drugs, don't be an idiot, and the drug won't treat you like an idiot.

If you eat 4 'big mac's' you're going to feel like a fucking lard ass.
Everything has its downs and bad sides, its just how you use it.
 
Told of Reversal said:
Here is a basic rule for taking all drugs, don't be an idiot, and the drug won't treat you like an idiot.

If you eat 4 'big mac's' you're going to feel like a fucking lard ass.
Everything has its downs and bad sides, its just how you use it.
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"Abuse drugs and they'll abuse you" is the quote :D
 
alasdairm said:
does that mean that, unless you've never murdered somebody, you can't know that it's wrong. or that a doctor who has never had cancer knows nothgin about cancer.

your logic is ridiculous. being informed about something and being experienced are two different things and it is possibe lto have one without the other.

while i agree with your sentiment, there's no way you can know this to be true.

given the current status of mdma, it's unlikely we'll know this for sure for years.

i'm not picking on your post for kicks. for me, your claims are as outlandish as those in the op. i think one of the central themes of harm-reduction should be reliance on facts.

alasdair
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Excellent thoughts as always alasdair. The last sentence in particular is oh so important.
 
alasdairm said:
does that mean that, unless you've never murdered somebody, you can't know that it's wrong. or that a doctor who has never had cancer knows nothgin about cancer.

your logic is ridiculous. being informed about something and being experienced are two different things and it is possibe lto have one without the other.
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No, I was just throwing the 'they have obviously never done E in their life' thing in their to make a point that, this is not the view of the majority of E users.

alasdairm said:
while i agree with your sentiment, there's no way you can know this to be true.

given the current status of mdma, it's unlikely we'll know this for sure for years.
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Well until someone gives me some facts that what I said isn't true, then I will continue to believe that. Anything other is just scare tactics.

alasdairm said:
i'm not picking on your post for kicks. for me, your claims are as outlandish as those in the op. i think one of the central themes of harm-reduction should be reliance on facts.

alasdair
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I didn't think you were picking on my post anyway. Maybe my point wasn't put forward as good as it should've been, i'll learn from that in future.
 
Like all things in life...well most things anyways, moderation is the key.

I do 2 pills every 2 weeks for 6 weeks. So, I wait 2 weeks in between sessions, and these sessions only go on for 6 weeks...so 3 total sessions. Then I wait 3 months. I like to see it as my quarterly bonus. :)
 
If no-one has said this so far (i couldnt be bothered to read thru em all).. the holes in your brain shit come from a test the BBC (or someone) did where they THOUGHT they gave apes MDMA.. turns out it was MethAmphetamine..
 
22-08-2006 15:59
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Re the "holes in the brain" if not familiar with it, you should research Dr George Ricaurte and his "mistake" that led to a paper that demonised MDMA in small doses. I *believe* that paper is the one that led to the holes in the brain theory.

http://www.maps.org/mdma/studyresponse.html
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It has already been said and more thoroughly covered in that instance.
 
BollWeevil said:
^ 120 - 130 mg followed by a booster of 40-50 mg about 2 hours after the initial dose (if you want) if you were working with pure powder. If you are working with pills, it's a bit trickier. Most pills in America take about 1.5 to 2 to get to 120mg or so.

The point is that you don't keep redosing, and that one redose you can do shouldn't be a huge one.
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Actually didn't Shulgin say take your dose, then take half of that right before you peak for an optimal experience? I may be slightly off, my head hasn't been focased on ecstasy lately, and all the bud I smoke I'm prone to making a mistake here and there.

I'm going to be completely honest, when I took ecstasy for the first time, I was deathly afraid, but completely happy with doing it. After all the research, and experience I've had with it now, I still can't tell you how 'safe' MDMA really is. There's a lot of variables which can effect people differently, such as prior illness, medications, underlying problems which have yet to surface, adulterated pills etc.

Sadly, not enough studies have been done to rule out conclusively that MDMA is safe or harmful, but the first generation of people (late 1970's and early 1980's) who used/abused ecstasy will be our guinea pigs, and we'll sooner or later see the long term effects.

Abuse definitely accounts for most of the accusations that ecstasy is harmful, and people tend to not know what they are dealing with in most of the cases of death or serious injury. Know your body, know your drug, know what you're doing ;)

cucarot said:
who cares ...as long as you have fun doing it =D
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That was probably the stupidest thing I've ever heard, and if you have any intelligence at all you will disregard that.
 
SmC said:
Well until someone gives me some facts that what I said isn't true, then I will continue to believe that.
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that's fine - you are obviously free to believe whatever you want whether it's backed up by solid facts or a hollow assumption (or something in between).

however, i emplore you not to spread your belief to others unless you are prepared to substantiate what you're saying.

alasdair
 
dilated_pupils said:
Actually didn't Shulgin say take your dose, then take half of that right before you peak for an optimal experience? I may be slightly off, my head hasn't been focased on ecstasy lately, and all the bud I smoke I'm prone to making a mistake here and there.

I'm going to be completely honest, when I took ecstasy for the first time, I was deathly afraid, but completely happy with doing it. After all the research, and experience I've had with it now, I still can't tell you how 'safe' MDMA really is. There's a lot of variables which can effect people differently, such as prior illness, medications, underlying problems which have yet to surface, adulterated pills etc.

Sadly, not enough studies have been done to rule out conclusively that MDMA is safe or harmful, but the first generation of people (late 1970's and early 1980's) who used/abused ecstasy will be our guinea pigs, and we'll sooner or later see the long term effects.

Abuse definitely accounts for most of the accusations that ecstasy is harmful, and people tend to not know what they are dealing with in most of the cases of death or serious injury. Know your body, know your drug, know what you're doing ;)



That was probably the stupidest thing I've ever heard, and if you have any intelligence at all you will disregard that.
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mr smart ass ...i always consider myself very stupid since my first time using drug ...i will disregard that until i stop using drug completely.thank you for your concern...=D
 
ya know we've all heard the rumors that ecstasy puts holes in yor brain, are they really rumors?
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No, the holes shown on CAT scans are actually where your brain lacts serritonine. Not actual holes and over time the "holes" will regrow or come back as your brain produces more serritonine.



i was told by health teachers and doctors that it is the worst drug you could ever do.
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Have your teachers every speed balled?
 
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