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How addictive?

swiftnglow

swiftnglow

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Hi I have smoked weed for quite a while and am certainly not addicted, I have used Vyvanse some nights in doses around 100mg. I dont have any friends who ever do any drugs such as meth, coke, heroin, any of those =D I am just wondering since i see a lot of people DO do those here, how addictive are they? ARe there people that just do them once a week and never have problems? Or does it more depend on your personality
 
You mean addictive specific drugs are, and that you want us to specify how addictive they are respectively?

I'd say hard drug use once a week for the average person is fairly likely to progressively get out of control. I really don't think personality plays a huge factor.

Personally IV opiates are #1 in my book.
 
alright, i still got a future ahead of me =D dont want to fuck it up with drugs when i could be taking OTHER drugs and still have a good time lol.
 
This is often disputed some and I certainly don't agree with it from personal experience, use surveys I've seen, people I've talked to, etc.

It will however give you a basic idea of the relative habituation potential as seen by psychiatrists polled by the highly respected British medical journal The Lancet.

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I had difficult directly uploading the picture of the chart I wanted to, so HERE is a link.
 
i was able to do heroin a couple of times and im not at all dependent on heroin. though i do flip balls whenever opiates are available, i run right after them and gobble them up. it's not that much of a problem really, it's just that im bored a lot of the time and i'd rather feel great if im sitting doing nothing.

i did tweak once, and only once, just because i wanted to experience it, once. im proud to say it was such a disgusting high that i never even think about touching it ever again, it was plenty of fun for that day alone sure, but the idea of doing it again is just retarded and laughable. no way.


as for cocaine..... not a day goes by that i don't think about it. not a single day. im glad i have absolutely no access to it whatsoever, or i'd be destroying myself right now. im just the type of person who would WANT to get addicted to cocaine, because i like being aggressively positive. aggressively positive? haha, that's my euphemism for my unhealthily bonkers fucking attitude. cocaine, man! delicious!!
 
IV Opiates rank #1
Followed by amphetamines any ROA, I'm speeding off some right now and I always forgot how addicting they are until your high.
Then IMO It's followed by DXM and MDMA at roughly a tie.
 
Very tough quesion to answer. I know someone who uses heroin once per day and has done so for the last 8 months. My best friend has used cocaine on the weekend for the last 3 years, then once his child was born, he just stopped. While their isn't no certain type of personality or 'addictive personaliy" as they say, there is definitely something that seperates these types of people who can use recreationally, from say, myself, or everyday addicts.

I am going to go out on a limb and say that one thing many addicts have in common, but not all, is we have poor emotional coping skills. Drugs help us bypass the thought process of examining our own problems.

On another note, anything can be addictive and harm ones life, right down to something as stupid as jacking off.=D Of course their are some chemicals that are worse than others. Drugs that mimic, manipulate, or change chemicals in our body, are usually much more addictive that ones that are just a chemical added to our body, or a chemical that doesn't already exist.

One example would be the methamphetamine molecule and dopamine, another would be Morphine and endorphins.

There really isn't an answer to your question, but their are plenty of governments and scientists with statistics.:p
 
ive done every drug including crack, cocaine, EVERYTHING really... but heroin, and the only reason im afraid to do heroin is because i love IV oxycodone so much

id definately say IV OC is the more addictive drug ive ever done, i get clean, and actually sober for a week, and them im jus like fuck it bro i liekd the high more than being sober... crazy shit man.
 
the graphical chart linked by Cane... gives much food for thought .
nicotine and alcohol occupy remarkably damaging positions . not the worst though .
thanks for that wiki page Cane .
 
swiftnglow said:
Hi I have smoked weed for quite a while and am certainly not addicted, I have used Vyvanse some nights in doses around 100mg. I dont have any friends who ever do any drugs such as meth, coke, heroin, any of those =D I am just wondering since i see a lot of people DO do those here, how addictive are they? ARe there people that just do them once a week and never have problems? Or does it more depend on your personality
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Dude I don't know how to say this. Vayvanse is way more addive to me than coke. It lasts for 12 hours. It never has a harsh comedown(its smooth) and it doesn't have the negative side effects of normal dexamphetamines or various amphetamine blends. BC of this I wanna take it all day and all night. It makes me feel good when I go to sleep on it. I crave it and get very depressed when i have to stop. I have a prescription bc i need it for adhd so I can't quit even if I wanted to bc then the withdrawl and getting over effects last a few weeks and make me unable to accomplish anything and hungrier than the worst muchies. Funny that its not supposed to be as addictive as normal amphetamines but its worse for me bc it is constantly released so its constantly reinforcing.

COke is addictive but I have never wanted to use it more than infrequently the times I have. I don't even wanna do coke but truth is after a month or too off of amphetamines(especially vayvanse) I will definately have moments when I don't want to take any but I physically do.
 
I may get flamed, but drugs are not inherently extremely addictive, it's what kind of personality you have and how good you can see what's happening and how you address it properly or not
 
It all depends on the person. I can do a gram of coke every few months and not have any problems. A friend of mine will empty out his bank account every time he does coke because he can't stop doing it until he runs out of money. Those drugs are highly addictive to some people. Honestly I find cannabis to be more addictive than cocaine and amphetamine but I'm just lucky. Amp is more addictive than coke to me, that's why I've stopped taking amphetamine. I've done some bad things while I was high on amp to get more amp and that scares me.
 
^You are absolutely right how individual a substances' addictiveness is. One person may lose all control over heroin and could take-or-leave coke. Someone else may crave meth with unrivaled intensity but heroin makes them ill. Its very individual. With that said, we can look at percentages of people who try a substance and eventually become addicted (aka meet DSM-IV-TR criteria for a substance dependence disorder). For heroin this is about 24%, cocaine about 16%, alcohol about 15%, cannabis under 10%. These are not fixed, there are many social and cultural factors at play and they certainly don't say whether one individual will get addictive or not, but it gives a basic idea of relative habituation potential.

fatstep said:
I may get flamed, but drugs are not inherently extremely addictive, it's what kind of personality you have and how good you can see what's happening and how you address it properly or not
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I think this is spot on. A lot of times people alleviate responsibility by saying "the DRUG got a hold on me and wouldn't let go".

If the addiction was caused by the DRUGS then how can some people can become addicted and demonstrate the same compulsive behavior to food, video games, internet pornography, shopping, gambling, plastic surgery and on and on.

Addiction is not about a drug's physical properties (although that plays A role) but more about the relationship the user cultivates with the substance... or if not substance, whatever the focus is. People essentially seek pleasure or try to avoid pain and in doing so can develop problematic relationships with drugs or other things that directly or indirectly affect the Nucleus Accumbens (pleasure center). People who have distress in their lives that they have no other means to cope with often use drugs to relieve this distress and eventually become addicted.
 
MistaJeff said:
It all depends on the person. I can do a gram of coke every few months and not have any problems. A friend of mine will empty out his bank account every time he does coke because he can't stop doing it until he runs out of money. Those drugs are highly addictive to some people. Honestly I find cannabis to be more addictive than cocaine and amphetamine but I'm just lucky. Amp is more addictive than coke to me, that's why I've stopped taking amphetamine. I've done some bad things while I was high on amp to get more amp and that scares me.
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I agree about weed being more addictive than coke and amps but were just lucky the withdrawal isnt that bad & I can do an eightball every weekend for 6 months and not become addicted with coke, so I definitely get that too
 
meth is super addictive... but I think it can depend on how much you do. I've read of people doing just regular doses and liking it a lot but not being in awe of it... but then there's those that take huge amounts of it.... and they say it is the best feeling of their lives.

I read this thing about meth. It said the dopamine units upon orgasm are 100-200 units. With cocaine it is near 400 units. Now meth... goes from the basic amount of dopamine all the way as far as 1250 units! that is so huge of pleasure, it's insane. I can totally see why someone could be a meth addict after feeling that good... you'd never want to be sober again.

This is an experience on erowid that I liked about meth
http://www.erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=26233
 
its.euphoric said:
I read this thing about meth. It said the dopamine units upon orgasm are 100-200 units. With cocaine it is near 400 units. Now meth... goes from the basic amount of dopamine all the way as far as 1250 units! that is so huge of pleasure, it's insane. I can totally see why someone could be a meth addict after feeling that good... you'd never want to be sober again.
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units of what? Was this someone speculating based on personal experience or some kind of scientific calculation?
 
Thing to keep in mind with meth is that you're living on borrowed time. That dopamine doesn't come out of nowhere, you deplete your supplies and feel like complete hell when it wears off. What goes up must come down and all that.
 
Cane2theLeft said:
This is often disputed some and I certainly don't agree with it from personal experience, use surveys I've seen, people I've talked to, etc.

It will however give you a basic idea of the relative habituation potential as seen by psychiatrists polled by the highly respected British medical journal The Lancet.

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I had difficult directly uploading the picture of the chart I wanted to, so HERE is a link.
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Why do they mark heroin as so physically harmful when it's not physically harmful at all, barring the possibility of overdose. That chart is quite wrong, it says that cannabis is more physically harmful and addictive then GHB, which is bullshit. I disagree with almost everything on that chart, both in my personal experience and the experience of everyone I know. Solvents are less physically harmful then heroin? Most of those drugs are more physically harmful then heroin.

In my opinion meth is the most addictive drug I've done, followed by cocaine, crack, heroin (I've done a lot of opiates, and they had varying levels of addictivness, so I'm not going to list them all, heroin is the most addictive opiate I've done), amphetamine, klonapin, xanax, alcohol (the the list continues).
 
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