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Hospitalization from use of DOI Blotters

hey Kishka, it's not your fault what happened. I understand perfectly that you feel bad about what happened, but you didn't put the blotter in her mouth, you didn't know that it was going to affect her like that, and you even took the necessary precautions (an allergy test, etc.) I'm very sorry that your friend's condition is looking grim, just keep your chin up, sometimes life throws things at you like this and all you can do is continue living.

I don't understand why people on this thread are being assholes. I'm not familiar with OP's post history but making references to "girly histrionics" and sarcastically saying "You don't say!" is just being plain rude and trollish. This is someone who may have lost a friend to a completely accidental overdose and even if OP didn't perfectly follow harm reduction that doesn't make what happened any less tragic.
 
I don't understand why people on this thread are being assholes. I'm not familiar with OP's post history but making references to "girly histrionics" and sarcastically saying "You don't say!" is just being plain rude and trollish. This is someone who may have lost a friend to a completely accidental overdose and even if OP didn't perfectly follow harm reduction that doesn't make what happened any less tragic.
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spot on :) wish you and friend all the best with this hun
 
what kind of amphetamine fits on blotter? and fentanyl? thats just really fucked up for a vendor to sell something like that and represent it as a psychedelic
 
i could see some other phenethylamine that isn't amphetamine being cross-identified with amphetamine given only cursory scrutiny. i sure hope some vendor out there isn't adding fent to blotters that they are shipping out. perhaps she ingested the fent prior to dosing the blotter? that would certainly be dangerous.
 
sorry, due to bad translation and reading too quickly, i thought that was the result of a tox screen, not a list of chemicals that could potentially be put on blotter at a dangerous dose.
 
^I scrolled over the Swedish post.

Translation for lazy folk:
kishka said:
My friend had an aneurysm because of poor circulation of the supposed "DOI" overdose.
She still can not breathe on her own and she still does not respond to stimuli from medical care unit.
They may be no choice but to shoot the respirator because her brain does not seem to respond normally to breathe. She also develops a disturbing problems blood circulation.

They still do not know what to do. I just know that they did blood tests and the results outcome from two different chemicals in the body (fentanyl / amphetamine). The amphetamine concentration level in his blood was too high for her body. She could not handle it.
Her parents have contacted the media already about this. I feel so desperate and I do not know what I could do.
I can not live with it anymore. I hate myself for this.
I will let you know if the final situation, and I will drop the item link when it'll be available.
I should kill me for it.
So to be clear that they still do not know exactly what substance is in addition to those found Fentanyl and amphetamine signature. They need to send her blood samples to another lab to have full chemical name from the "amphetamine" ... (I just copy / paste the message that comes from another card that I previously posted).
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I highly doubt that there's a fentanyl/DOx combo blotter floating around. Isn't Sweden one of the countries where 3-methylfentanyl is the major illicit opiate of abuse rather than heroin? I know it's at least going around in some Scandinavian and Baltic states. If it showed up on the test it's likely because she had used it recently (knowingly).
 
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Thoughts & Prayers are with you tonight. You'll feel guilt for the rest of you life, but try to keep you head on straight.

If you want/need to talk to somebody send me a PM.
 
I'm sorry you think I don't have a heart Kishka (and others). I do care and I hope your friend is okay. I'm not trying to put you down, I just want to keep things level-headed. I don't see any good coming from all this wild speculation about what could have been on the blotters. Unless you send them for lab testing, then who knows. At this stage, with what you've reported, I see no reason why they wouldn't be DOI.

What vendor in their right mind is going to put fentanyl on blotters they are selling as DOI? If it did happen, it would have to have been a mistake of grotesquely negligent proportions. Sure, we've had the Haupt bromo-dragonfly disaster where it was misrepresented as 2C-B-FLY, but that was a mistake I can understand (although unacceptable) given the naming and chemical similarity of the compounds involved, and the communication problems between Chinese-speaking labs and western vendors. And there were multiple victims in that case and even the vendor himself died. We haven't heard anything about this vendor other than this one report.

If it was fentanyl then she wouldn't have had a seizure and instead would just have gone straight to coma. If it was another DOx or 5-MeO-AMT, it wouldn't be potent enough to cause a typical "overdose". If it was an NBOMe, then it wouldn't have caused any problems unless she had specifically held the blotter in her mouth for half an hour without swallowing. Bromo-dragonfly is not on the market and hasn't really been since Haupt, and I don't see why anyone would go to the lengths of producing it again to sell alongside compounds such as DOI .

I see no reason to speculate about the identity of the compound. What's important at this stage is being there for your friend. Wait for toxicology to come back with results if you want to know the identity of the compound.

Jesusgreen pretty much nailed all this in his post about the reasons behind remaining rational. It's not about having no heart, it's just about trying to cut through the crap and make harm reduction the priority. If you think you have a sketchy blotter, approach it with due care.

I'm sorry you're having a bad time, and I wish you and your friend all the best.

Thou said:
Just wanted to take this oppurtunity to advise against the buying of blotters with research chemicals on them (even lsd blotters are iffy).

It's far more accurate to buy a quantity of the chemical, accurately weigh it using a quality mg scale, dilute it in an edible solvent and store it in an oral syringe.

I don't think a proper allergy taste can be performed using a piece of blotter, as it is likely to be laid unevenly especially in today's 'make all the money and run' research vendor mentality.

Be safe everyone.
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I wholeheartedly agree, and I've argued this point before. It's a bad idea to purchase blotters from vendors as a pre-dosed method of drug delivery. In the age of NBOMes and other potent compounds they are an unacceptable medium unless you actually dose the blotters yourself with a known quantity of compound. You can never know how much compound was really dosed on to the blotter, unless you extract the compound and re-weigh it yourself, which is just impractical for most everyone and defeats the purpose of buying it on blotter in the first place.

The only safe way to do it is to buy the compound itself and weigh it up properly and prepare a liquid solution for accurate dosing.
 
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I just had an idea.

Try diluting the blotter in solvent, maybe 5 ccs. Take 1/100 of the dose the first time after shaking vigorously. Use an oral syringe or 10cc syringe with the needle off. Mushroom supply houses sell them sterile and cheap, without needles.

Then use the Shulgin method of titration. If you're not familiar with this (imo you shouldn't be doing research chemicals without having read both phikal and thikal, or at least skimmed them) orient yourself with the two books in parenthesis at erowid.

Has anyone gotten this shit tested yet? Or is this something you're just going to let blow over until the next tragic accident?

And btw kishka we're not heartless we care very deeply for your friend; but frankly this is a scientific/medical issue. Emotions aren't going to help you, facts and logic are. I'm sorry if science if very cold, but you didn't ask a priest. You asked a forum with known medical and scientific minds apt in harm reduction and dedicated to saving lives and health via that concept.

Your friend is in our prayers, but we didn't have time to elucidate or expand on that at the time. We had to give you information and advice, and also protect bluelight like alasdair said, otherwise you wouldn't have us here to help you as the site would be shut down if we allowed vendor talk. Plain and simple.

Please update on the status of your friend, and the status of the [hopefully being gcms tested] blotter.
 
My friend will never ever see christmas again and I don't want to see it myself. I can't put any word on this or am gonna cry like every day

Have a nice holidays.
 
Kishka said:
My friend will never ever see christmas again and I don't want to see it myself. I can't put any word on this or am gonna cry like every day

Have a nice holidays.
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Could you please be clearer [ in the name of harm reduction ] are you trying to tell us she passed away ?
Also please remember this wasnt your fault.
 
Please don't blame yourself... I'm sure we'd all much appreciate it if you could let us know what happened...

If at all possible, test results could also help protect others and the source would probably be published even if it is redacted now.
 
Kishka,

My heart goes out to you and your friend. This isn't your fault, with time it will heal - we all have events in our life that challenge us and make us stronger from the lessons learned.

To help prevent this from happening to others... Please get the left over tabs tested, with a kit or a lab (other can recommend places to do this fairly cheaply) and

let us all know what it was. So people can avoid this in the future.

Keep your head up..
 
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Kishka, life has been hard for everyone lately. There have been many tragedies and you aren't alone. Although I haven't posted, I have been following this thread and I'm very sorry about what happened to your friend. It wasn't your fault- adverse reactions to psychoactives happen all the time and you can never truly know how a person is going to react to a substance.
If you ever need someone to talk to (an unbiased person that you don't know), you can always message me. My 19-year-old friend passed away suddenly in August 2010 and I know how the grieving process goes.
Just always remember that it wasn't your fault... everything happens for a reason, even if we can't comprehend that reason (however you interpret that). Although life is hard for a while, things do get better and your life will move on. You're here for a reason too.
Stay strong!
 
Hi,

Sorry I was totally depressed when I wrote this. My friend is not death but she is BLIND! She can't see, the aneurysm make her blind... I ruined her life, she's awake but for example I asked her if she knows what is the current year we live in and she replied 1996...

She have troubles with her memory and she can't even see!!!!!

She still in the hospital but it's getting worse. She still have a problem with her blood. Her hands and feets are still blueish..

Guys that's horrible
 
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