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Hospitalization from use of DOI Blotters

she is concerned about her friend and trying to prevent it happening to other people. So that comment was uncalled for. OP has stated more than once that it was a siezure.
Ive seen literaly 100s of siezures, and even i would be a tad concerned to see blood coming from someones nose and mouth, unless her friend landed flat on her face. Even when people bite thier tongues i've never seen enough blood present in the mouth to leak out through the nose.

Ive seen people fit on mushrooms but only for a few seconds and they've been able to get up a bit dazed and not needed any kind of hospital treatment.
Paramedics would obviously take someone to hospital as a precaution, OP is unclear, but if her friend was still unconscious by the time they'd arrived then clearly this was something serious.
do see your point about the blotters not necessarily being anything other than DOI, but come on, be nice.

I hear what you're saying, and I'm not trying to downplay any injury that may have come to her friend. But look, every time the OP makes a post in these forums, it's about some personal disaster or anxiety that's happened as a result of reckless drug behaviour such as stupid dosing or combining with benzos and alcohol, with lots of "OMG HELP" factor. Just take this with a grain of salt is all I'm saying. Don't get wrapped up in the panic-mode aspect of it all.

There are many reasons why someone could have a nosebleed, and taking a psychedelic is one of the least likely reasons. Having a seizure and then falling over and hitting your face on something could easily cause you to have a nosebleed, as could an excessively elevated blood pressure if there was already a weak mucous membrane separating the venous wall from the outside layer of skin (which is quite common). Some people have anxiety nosebleeds.

That said, I hope the person in question is okay, which I'm sure they will be once they come round. I think the best advice for this person would be just to stay away from such drugs for a long while until they've figured out what's going on.
 
You guys rude, and no she wasn't on medication !

AND NOW SHE IS IN A FUCKIN COMA AND BEING ALIVE FROM A LIFE-SUPPORT WITH A RESPIRATOR. We have been told that she can't even breathe by herself. I STILL COULD NOT VISIT HER! All I do is phone to the hospital...

Survived Aborption you have no heart at all.

I couldn't sleep that night. I will contact the local press by the way.

AND NO AND NO SHE WAS NOT ON ANY MEDICATIONS.

I'm angry. I still have NO REPLY from both Erowid and the vendor...
 
is somebody going to send some of these to be tested and identified ???
 
Kishka, I'm very sorry to hear of this awful situation and I wish all involved strength in overcoming this. A prayer has been sent.

This nightmare underlines the importance of allergy/hypersensitivity testing, to say the drug didnt agree with her would be a grave understatement. Such a fulminant reaction makes it likely that she was particularly sensitive to whatever was in that blotter.

Its tempting to think she got served a blotter with an overdose of a NBOMe or similar highly potent drug, but truth is this might well be an extreme reaction to a correct dose of DOI. Some peoples health is like a mousetrap, nothing seems amiss but if lightly nudged in the wrong place, SNAP, shutdown. Seemingly healthy people have smoked a joint and gotten a heart attack, the key in this is that there was a particular vulnerability in the user.

Given that a quarter blotter was taken the day before without ill effect, but also apparently without much noticable effect and just 4x as much paper causing this dramatic fulminant reaction leads me to speculate that the blotters are possibly unevenly laid with something highly potent. Most types of severe medical reaction to a substance would give serious warning signs at 1/4 the quantity, so uneven laying of the blotter might, -might-, be a factor here. When blotter sheets dry, liquid with dissolved product may migrate through the paper, this effect is exploited in chromatography to separate compounds, and may deposit hotspots of (very) concentrated substance on part of the sheet. While this is generally not a problem with LSD, it can be quite dangerous with compounds of considerable toxicity, especially if they are highly potent and very soluble in the solvent used.

All this does nothing to ease this situation though. *hugs* try to eat and sleep regularly, and to not get too worked up. If you have benzodiazepines, a low dose of it may help you get through this. Seek the support of friends, offline and on.

I wish you well in dealing with this nightmare and regret that this is all I can do.



Oh, I'd like to politely ask other members not to be a jerk about this. Have a heart.
 
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You guys rude, and no she wasn't on medication !

AND NOW SHE IS IN A FUCKIN COMA AND BEING ALIVE FROM A LIFE-SUPPORT WITH A RESPIRATOR. We have been told that she can't even breathe by herself. I STILL COULD NOT VISIT HER! All I do is phone to the hospital...

Survived Aborption you have no heart at all.

I couldn't sleep that night. I will contact the local press by the way.

AND NO AND NO SHE WAS NOT ON ANY MEDICATIONS.

I'm angry. I still have NO REPLY from both Erowid and the vendor...

Sorry about your friend. What exactly is it that you think contacting local media will accomplish? Besides hyperbolize the situation and misrepresent the facts to sell papers? It's highly doubtful that these blotters are in such wide circulation in your area that doing so would be a relevant warning to others. It'll only give more exposure to something that has already been demonized by the press and politicians. Furthermore what do you expect Erowid to do? They sometimes post warnings in cases of RC mislabeling and overdoses but honestly this just sounds like a fluke bad reaction to me. It happens sometimes. Doesn't mean your friend was sold anything else than what they intended to purchase. Hope she recovers tho
 
I think it would be foolish to act without having tested these. This sort of fluke reaction is not understood and is incredibly rare but it does happen. I'm sorry to hear about your friend but I can't think what else would be on a blotter that causes violent seizures. Especially given the relative low cost and ease of synthesis of DOI
 
Kishka, I'm very sorry to hear of this awful situation and I wish all involved strength in overcoming this. A prayer has been sent.

This nightmare underlines the importance of allergy/hypersensitivity testing, to say the drug didnt agree with her would be a grave understatement. Such a fulminant reaction makes it likely that she was particularly sensitive to whatever was in that blotter.

Its tempting to think she got served a blotter with an overdose of a NBOMe or similar highly potent drug, but truth is this might well be an extreme reaction to a correct dose of DOI. Some peoples health is like a mousetrap, nothing seems amiss but if lightly nudged in the wrong place, SNAP, shutdown. Seemingly healthy people have smoked a joint and gotten a heart attack, the key in this is that there was a particular vulnerability in the user.

Given that a quarter blotter was taken the day before without ill effect, but also apparently without much noticable effect and just 4x as much paper causing this dramatic fulminant reaction leads me to speculate that the blotters are possibly unevenly laid with something highly potent. Most types of severe medical reaction to a substance would give serious warning signs at 1/4 the quantity, so uneven laying of the blotter might, -might-, be a factor here.

All this does nothing to ease this situation though. *hugs* try to eat and sleep regularly, and to not get too worked up. If you have benzodiazepines, a low dose of it may help you get through this. Seek the support of friends, offline and on.

I wish you well in dealing with this nightmare and regret that this is all I can do.



Oh, I'd like to politely ask other members not to be a jerk about this. Have a heart.

Sorry about this but for the example you mentionned about Weed giving an heart-attack may be wrong. I never heard a case like this with Marijuana. Do you have a source from someone who died after smoking a joint ? And thank you for your kind words, I appreciated it :)

I also do a list of psychoactive substance wich can be found on blotters:
LSD
LSD ergoline derivatives
DOB/DOC/DOM/DOI/DOET/DON
5-meO-MIPT/5-MeO-AMT
25X-NBOMe
Fentanyl
Alprazolam
Bromodragonfly
ALD52

What other substances can be find on a blotter tab guys ?
 
Kishka, your list can never be completed because the drugs that can be put on blotters are staggering and ever expanding in number, plus we don't want to give people any unnecessary ideas.

Sorry about this but for the example you mentionned about Weed giving an heart-attack may be wrong. I never heard a case like this with Marijuana.

Ah, stoners to the rescue! Actually in the serious medical community its widely known that the herb isnt harmless, and adverse cardiovascular events happen regularly: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17005273 Key here, as I pointed out, is a vulnerability in the user that the otherwise benign side effects of a drug harmfully latch onto. Ever had a heart pounding anxiety attack on weed? Now picture the same reaction occurring in an 80yo man with nearly blocked coronary arteries who's inbetween heart attacks. Now picture a young person, seemingly healthy, who unknowingly has a similar degree of compromised cardiovascular system. I know a 30yo who had a heart attack in the hour after smoking a joint who seemed healthy otherwise. I also know that among Dutch Coffeeshop owners and personnel, early age strokes are alarmingly common.
You never know whether you are fully healthy, so you can never assume a drug is "harmless".

Harm reduction is accepting that there IS risk, and taking conscious efforts to minimize those risks. It starts with risk awareness, and that includes weed.

Try to find out anything you can about your friends condition and report it here.

I have passed your message on to assure people know what's up.


The golden rule of laying blotter by the way is to saturate the paper with a saturated solution of the substance. This minimizes hotspots because the retreating solvent then cannot run off with product that should be deposited, leaving the product one place to go, which is in the paper. Any scientist can tell you this, but onfortunately many of those who lay RC blotters aren't scientists.
 
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Good luck with that Kishka! Please, let us know updated of the situation.

Also, I don't think DOI was present on the blotters. C'mon she stated that her girl felt the effects ONLY at the 4th hour mark which is not a DOI's effect for sure! Trust me on that because I've tried DOI many many times (At least 20 times and plus..). DOI can be feel only 45 minutes after ingestion and not 4 hours after the initial take...

Some buddies which took DOI too agree with me.

I really don't think it was DOI IMO. You should get the blotter tested as soon as you can.

Good luck!
 
Just wanted to take this oppurtunity to advise against the buying of blotters with research chemicals on them (even lsd blotters are iffy).

It's far more accurate to buy a quantity of the chemical, accurately weigh it using a quality mg scale, dilute it in an edible solvent and store it in an oral syringe.

I don't think a proper allergy taste can be performed using a piece of blotter, as it is likely to be laid unevenly especially in today's 'make all the money and run' research vendor mentality.

Be safe everyone.
 
To those worried about us having removed the source link - this is not like the cases where large vendors were known to have mixed up chemicals with Bromo-DragonFLY for example - for two reasons - One, this is a small pretty much unheard of vendor that looks very much like a scam vendor even on the face of it, that I can't even find a single mention of outside of this thread anywhere on the internet, aside from an empty page on a review site. The site doesn't even appear to be selling anything. Two, we have a single instance of someone reacting in a bad way and do not yet know why, it could be an allergic reaction, an interaction with other drugs, etc. Given this, and that we only break our no soucing rule in clear emergencies, there's no reason to keep the link up.

Given that there's not even currently any way to order anything through the site there's no need to draw more attention to an unknown site that appears to be a scam. My personal opinion is this is just a scam vendor who has sent out something other than DOI.

It's worth noting though that it could even be legitimate DOI and no mistake, psychedelics can lower the seizure threshold and while it's uncommon, seizures on psychedelics have happened - any head trauma and such sustained in any fall and during the spasms can further complicate this.

Do you know if the person took any other drugs recently? People have asked if they were on any medication but the drugs they took in the days prior are relevant as well - especially if for example this person had a benzo or alcohol habit and had quit, this in itself could cause seizures, especially combined with the lowered seizure threshold psychedelics can produce.

What's weird is I can't find any evidence this site has ever been open and selling any of these psychedelics, it just has a few blank price placeholder listings - Kishka, are you 100% sure it came from the site in question and you/whoever bought it didn't get mixed up?

If so.. I'd highly recommend you be more careful in future about where you order, when purchasing drugs, especially super potent drugs like phenethylamine psychedelics you should take extreme care to make sure where you order from is legitimate before using the vendor/dealer.. The only thing I can find online about them is your post saying your friend had a seizure from their blotter - so it doesn't look like you've done any research to make sure they were legitimate before purchasing.. I'm sure you can see now what kind of consequences this can have, not taking care with where or who you purchase your drugs from can lead to more than just losing money, it can lead to people being seriously hurt.

Most of all though I recommend keeping around test kits (and these are vital if you can't verify the legitimacy of wherever your drugs are coming from) and taking allergy tests - also, when increasing dosage, try to do so in a small fashion, jumping from 1/4 hit to 1 hit is quadrupling the dosage, and while 1 hit may be intended to be a single dose, if this is your first time with a drug or a supplier you should always take EXTRA caution as things like this can happen.

I hope your friend is okay, but please, by this and by your previous posts here Kishka it seems like you're really not practising harm reduction in many ways, I really hope this will at least serve as a bit of an awakening to be much more careful in future. :(
 
Hi JesusGreen,

Yes it was from this site. You need to register to see the products, then you should mail the vendor with the order you want and you have access to the payment page and delivery.

It came from this site I agree.

I still haven't any news from the hospital. I'm very worried about her health :(

She haven't take any drugs prior to that event. My friend just smoked weed like many students out there and she already tried Psilocybin Mushrooms with nothing wrong from her side.

Regards.
 
Sounds like she had a seizure. The blood in and around her mouth and nose most likely came from her damaging the interior of her mouth which is really common with seizures, that's why they say to hold their head and put something in their mouth when someone is having one. It may be DOI though. Not everyone who has adverse reactions to psychedelics have them every time they take them so her having tried mushrooms before doesn't matter. I have a friend who used psychedelics a handful of times with no issues and had a seizure from 2g of mushrooms. There are a few labs that test street drugs through out EU for free. Won't know if it wasn't DOI unless you have it tested. Has the person had it listed on their site long? There haven't been other issues yet and in most instance this information spreads quickly. I'm really sorry this happened to your friend and hope she pulls through alright.
 
Do you have any of those blotters left if so then send one to a lab for testing like trip said. I hope your friend's condition improves.
 
Hi,

Yes I will get the blotters tested. And no, my friend is still in critical condition, always on life-support. She's still unresponsive and I still can't visit her. It's worse than we think.

I'm so ashamed...
 
Hi,

Yes I will get the blotters tested. And no, my friend is still in critical condition, always on life-support. She's still unresponsive and I still can't visit her. It's worse than we think.

I'm so ashamed...

So sorry to hear this, Kishka. Do try to rest, take care of yourself. Be strong for your friend and keep us informed as to the progress.
 
Hej :(

Min vän hade ett aneurysm på grund av dålig blodcirkulation om den förmodade "DOI" överdos.
Hon kan fortfarande inte andas själv och hon fortfarande inte svara på stimuli från medicinsk vårdenhet.
De kan vara inget annat val än att skjuta respiratorn eftersom hennes hjärna tycks inte svarar normalt att andas. Hon kan också utvecklar en störande problem blodcirkulationen.

De vet fortfarande inte vad jag ska göra. Jag vet bara att de gjorde blodprov och resultatet utfallet från två olika kemikalier i kroppen (fentanyl / amfetamin). Den amfetamin koncentrationsnivå i hennes blod var för hög för hennes kropp. Hon kunde inte hantera det.
Hennes föräldrar har kontaktat media redan om det här. Jag känner mig så desperat och jag vet inte vad kunde jag göra.
Jag kan inte leva med det längre. Jag hatar mig själv för det här.
Jag kommer att låta dig veta om den slutliga situationen, och jag kommer att släppa artikeln länk när det ska vara tillgänglig.
Jag borde döda mig också för det.
Så för att vara tydlig att de fortfarande inte vet exakt vad ämnet är förutom de hittade Fentanyl och amfetamin signatur. De måste skicka henne blodprov till en annan labb att ha fullständiga kemiska namn från denna "amfetamin"... (Jag kopierar bara/klistra in budskap som kommer från ett annat kort som jag tidigare har skrivit).
 
I translated your post. Call a friend immediately, do not be on your own if you are feeling this way. And seek help for yourself as soon as you can.
 
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