horse tranquilizer

[Raver_Forever]

does anyone know if horse tranquilizer will have the same effect as ketamine? i know someone who has a farm and was planning on stealing some. also wanted to know if anyone knows what to look for, as far as brand names or what the bottle in general will look like.
thanks

 

[fairnymph]

There are a couple different tranquilizers used for horses (you are lucky one of my best friends has interned with a horse vet, so I happen to know a bit about this!).
*ACETYLPROMAZINE ( brand name ACEPROMAZINE) -
Dosage (for horses): .04-.08 MG/KG IM/IV
Duration: 4-6 hours
Time to take effect: 10-30 min when IMed, 2-4 min IVed
*DIAZEPAM (i.e. valium...in solution and meant for injection)
*KETAMINE (brand name KETASET, VETALAR) -- yep, horses get this stuff too -- and there are a number of painkiller/tranquirlizer and ketamine combo solutions.
*PHENCYCLIDINE (yep, PCP)
*PROMAZINE (SPARINE)
*TILETAMINE/ZOLAZEPAM (TELAZOL) -- dissociative and tranquilizer
Now, the only drugs of those I just listed that I know to have recreational value are: ketamine, tiletamine, diazepam and PCP. About the others I listed, I don't really know, though I'd guess that they aren't especially mind-blowing.
Other horse drugs that have recreational value: BUPRENORPHINE (BUPRENEX) -- a narcotic, BUTORPHANOL (STADOL OR TORBUTROL)-- another opiate-like narcotic, FENTANYL and a FENTANYL/DROPERIDOL combo -- a painkiller/opiate,
INACTIN -- a short lasting barbituate, MEPERIDINE (DEMEROL) -- a very recreational narcotic, METHOHEXITAL (BREVITAL/BREVANE) -- another short lasting barbituate, MORPHINE, OXYMORPHONE, NALBUPHINE (NUBAIN), PENTOBARBITAL Na (NEMBUTAL) -- a barbituate, THIAMYLAL (SURITAL) -- barbituate, and THIOPENTAL (PENTOTHAL) -- barbituate. Most if not all of these will be in injectable form.

 

[The Welcome Matt]

wow. Horses have it real good.

 

[Dr.groveller]

Originally posted by fairnymph:
Other horse drugs that have recreational value: BUPRENORPHINE (BUPRENEX) -- a narcotic,
Actually, Buprenex is a mixed opiate agonist, antagonist. I have heard of people using this recreationally, but it's best use is for detoxing from opiate addiction (as far as I know, not yet FDA approved in the US). Several foreign countries are making the switch from methadone to Buprenex/Buprenorphine for addicts. Wish the US would hurry up and get on board. Had no idea it was being used for horses... what's the application?
Hrm... I always thought it would be nigh impossible to get from a US source... if it's in use for horses, might be possible... (smoke is rising from my ears as my brain is spinning up). I've also heard some real success with using bupe in conjunction with methodone in order to detox from long term methodone (as most know, the last 5-10 ml of done can be almost impossible to quit). I'd really like to try bupe for my addiction. I know there are some test studies being conducted in certain US cities. Anyone have experience?
doc

 

[negrogesic]

"Other horse drugs that have recreational value: BUPRENORPHINE (BUPRENEX) -- a narcotic, BUTORPHANOL (STADOL OR TORBUTROL)-- "
Buprenorphine is used for animals, but I believe they use a different name. I know they call butorphanol "torbugesic". Also, from my experience ketamine was known as "vetamine".
There are other strange quasi-recreational vet drugs such xylazine, propofol (weird drug), isoflurane etc etc....

 

[TypeRLotus]

do you guys ever think that the horses or animals trip out on the drugs?
just something that popped into my head when i read:
The Welcome Matt

wow. Horses have it real good.

 

[mashmetaller]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
I wandered that too.
I always wandered if the reason why cows were so slow and stupid was cos they were trippin!!

 

[Ayrios]

No, it's because they sit around eating grass all day in the middle of a field. Then they're milked. Then they're slain. I wouldn't be in a hurry personally.

 

[Raver_Forever]

so basically what your saying is try to snatch every bottle in sight? then come back and figure it all out later.

 

[Morlock]

^^^^^^LMFAO
There will MOST likely be labels on the bottles- bring a cheat sheet. If you snatch everything, you prolly won't EVER be able to get anything from there again.

 

[Dr.groveller]

Originally posted by Ayrios:
No, it's because they sit around eating grass all day in the middle of a field. Then they're milked. Then they're slain. I wouldn't be in a hurry personally.
Dude, if you're milking horses, you definitely have a problem...
seek help quick
doc

 

[quale]

Just to hazard a guess...this is horse tranqualizer we are talking about not bet medicine for major surgery no? Also these are horses not elephants.
So I think you can rule out the strong opiods like fentanyl.
If you knew how, and for what purpose it was administered it might be more helpfull.
My guess is that what you will find on a farm will be designed to clam down horses (not knock them out) without risk of serious OD. In otherwords the benzos or potentially dissosiative anaestetics.
Also they may want the horse just immobalized and not sedated. There are drugs that will basically cause loss of muscle response, but I don't know if any are safe without artificial breathing.
For vet purposes I know they also use alpha_2 agonists (i.e. they stimulate the presynaptic self-regulatory alpha_2 receptor producing something like anaestesia.).
If anyone knows anything about these I am most curious. Any mental effects?

 

[groovee]

Having grown up on a small farm (12 horses, bunch of other livestock) I can say the we did not have any cool horse drugs on hand but rather waited till the vet came. I am sure this is not true with larger farms/ranches that may have a in-house vet or are very far away from the closest vet. Also, my old man may have hid god knows what from the kids/help.
I think that taking drugs from an animal is worse that stealing from Granny, but thats just me.

 

[negrogesic]

Originally posted by quale:
So I think you can rule out the strong opiods like fentanyl.
My guess is that what you will find on a farm will be designed to clam down horses (not knock them out) without risk of serious OD. In otherwords the benzos or potentially dissosiative anaestetics.
Also they may want the horse just immobalized and not sedated. There are drugs that will basically cause loss of muscle response, but I don't know if any are safe without artificial breathing.
For vet purposes I know they also use alpha_2 agonists (i.e. they stimulate the presynaptic self-regulatory alpha_2 receptor producing something like anaestesia.).
If anyone knows anything about these I am most curious. Any mental effects?
For mild sedation, acepromazine is the by far the most commonly used drug, as well as hydroxyzine. Benzos and especially anaestesics are not dispensed for this purpose.
I mentioned xylazine, which is a alpha2-agonist, and i found its effects uninteresting. Propofol is a phenol derivative that has not been abused, but there have been cases of healthcare personel injecting the drug.

 

[Morninggloryseed]

Originally posted by Raver_Forever:
does anyone know if horse tranquilizer will have the same effect as ketamine? i know someone who has a farm and was planning on stealing some.
I just hate it when people call ketamine a 'horse tranquilizer.' It isn't a tranquilizer, it is a dissociative anesthetic. And it is still used on humans in surgery and for burns.
I hate even more fucking losers that steal from other people. Theives never go anywhere in life, except eventually to jail. Breaking into places and stealing drugs from a farmer makes you a pretty big, fat, worthless loser in my book.

 

[fairnymph]

No, it's because they sit around eating grass all day in the middle of a field. Then they're milked. Then they're slain. I wouldn't be in a hurry personally.
Most cows in this country (in particular those used in the dairy industry) are NOT free-range -- meaning they spend more time in a confined stall indoors than they do in a grassy field. And they get shot up with all sorts of potent antibiotics and nasty growth hormones. Then Americans get to drink the nasty milk produced from these maltreated and often unhealthy cows. Mmmmmm....that must do the body good!

 

[TypeRLotus]

got milk?

 

[lexabug]

BUPRENORPHINE (BUPRENEX) -- a narcotic,
This is very much so an understatement if I have ever seen one. My uncle used to be addicted to heroin, and his psychyatrist/psychopharmacolagist put him on Buprenex ampules to kick the habit. He takes it intranasally every few hours, and it definetely gets him buzzed. His doctor is from the Netherlands and has a special liscence from the DEA to use non-FDA approved drugs in his patients, and report their usage. Although Buprenex is an antagonist/antiantagonist my Uncle gets a mild heroin-like high from it. Again, this is from the intranasal administration route and I have no idea of what form it comes in for horses, and how you would consume it -- I just thought I would share my knowledge on this drug that most street users haven't heard of.

 

[eddiedean]

Animal definately experience, and hopefull enjoy the K-hole. Ketamine was used a lot on Vietnam on soldiers until people started to "complain" of some pretty trippy experiences..
I agreee with 'Seed. No reason to steal. There are plenty of reliable and safe sources to purchase from.

Originally posted by morninggloryseed:

I just hate it when people call ketamine a 'horse tranquilizer.' It isn't a tranquilizer, it is a dissociative anesthetic. And it is still used on humans in surgery and for burns.
I hate even more fucking losers that steal from other people. Theives never go anywhere in life, except eventually to jail. Breaking into places and stealing drugs from a farmer makes you a pretty big, fat, worthless loser in my book.

 

[negrogesic]

Originally posted by eddiedean:
Animal definately experience, and hopefull enjoy the K-hole.
Unfortunately the animals never seemed to like ketamine. The doctor said they were "having nightmares" when waking up from ketamine, which usually consisted of them staring around, kicking, moaning (dogs), and barking at things that dont exist. Occasionaly some would become belligerent and start attacking the cage, most often cats. The ketamine was always administered with injectable valium, same syringe.
Both cats and dogs didnt seem to mind fentanyl; there was a very nasty cat who became somewhat nice after getting a fentanyl patch.