Trick509
Bluelighter
I definitely get 1000x higher when I smoke than when I don't haha
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Egzoset
Bluelighter
Salutations Trick509,
Salutations CosmicSquid,
Euh...
As a matter of fact my experience differs significantly as i had to quit consuming hashish precisely because smoking was no longer an option. This made me abandon solid extracts for prestine flowers, eventually, and then i got an opportunity to try my own oily extracts from reclaims (since i vaporize), whatever. I'd prefer having access to High-CBD 1:1 strains if i could, by curiousity; served with non-heated (non-decarboxylated) raw cannabis salad made of fresh leaves...
With a canna-milk as accompaniement for a special meal!
That sounds reasonable to me, i'll try to add this thought to my ritual the next time i light up!
Guess what: i need to find a good (piezo) lighter!!
Salutations CosmicSquid,
Euh...
As a matter of fact my experience differs significantly as i had to quit consuming hashish precisely because smoking was no longer an option. This made me abandon solid extracts for prestine flowers, eventually, and then i got an opportunity to try my own oily extracts from reclaims (since i vaporize), whatever. I'd prefer having access to High-CBD 1:1 strains if i could, by curiousity; served with non-heated (non-decarboxylated) raw cannabis salad made of fresh leaves...
With a canna-milk as accompaniement for a special meal!
That sounds reasonable to me, i'll try to add this thought to my ritual the next time i light up!
Guess what: i need to find a good (piezo) lighter!!
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Trick509
Bluelighter
Salutations Trick509,
Salutations CosmicSquid,
Euh...
As a matter of fact my experience differs significantly as i had to quit consuming hashish precisely because smoking was no longer an option. This made me abandon solid extracts for prestine flowers, eventually, and then i got an opportunity to try my own oily extracts from reclaims (since i vaporize), whatever. I'd prefer having access to High-CBD 1:1 strains if i could, by curiousity; served with non-heated (non-decarboxylated) raw cannabis salad made of fresh leaves...
With a canna-milk as accompaniement for a special meal!
That sounds reasonable to me, i'll try to add this thought to my ritual the next time i light up!
Guess what: i need to find a good (piezo) lighter!!
Sorry to hear you had to stop smoking :c I prefer smoking to vaping everyday. Do you think the oil high is the same vaping vs say dabs?
Egzoset
Bluelighter
Salutations Trick509,
Actually i must say my biggest regret is that i didn't get the option to choose bewteen combustion and vaporisation right from the start some 30+ years ago, because if i had i'd probably still be able to share a smoked joint and enjoy it with others today - a direct consequence of prohibition if one needs to ask me.
I do understand how convenient this can prove to be in real-life situations but i've practically always been using an accessory even in my smoker days so you can bet if i hadn't quit that habit there'd be a ‘Vapor Skillet’ (or Nail/Dome?) setup in my relax corner or else, though i'd most likely want an induction one now that i've done some reading!...
Well, i never was the "hard-core" type if such an expression makes sense anyway; also, being French-Canadian on top of that simply means i can become confused with slang "stoner" expressions, etc... Yet, a simple answer would be that i can't make conclusive comparisons based on my limited experience.
You see, as a hashish smoker i hated fire (already!) and that was it so this is how i came to adopt some sort of bottled-pipe artifact, exclusively, and this implied smoking joints after a complicated ritual where blond filliform (Drum) tobacco was selected to serve as substrate for my hashish bits while a filter closed one end. In fact i pushed fantasy by painting China ink markings on it in order to know when to stop, because it felt awfull to combust that paper filter which was replaced with a metal screen, eventually...
That's quite amateuristic in every way but the fact is i just wasn't properly educated cannabically speaking and that's one reason why i'm relieved to think i can at least hope to correct some of my past mistakes at last, in a much proper manner. Even if it comes a bit late.
Anyway, after viewing the doctor's infernal machine in a film titled "Barbarella" i came to call it my "amplificateur de douleur" (with an ironic punny touch intended as i recall):
Indeed it seems it did amplify somehow, but just not the way i expected.
...
So, all i can tell is that my 1st few intimate contacts with noble condensated reclaims was a second revelation (after discovering vaporism). Among things i yet have to try there's QWET from flowers as i'm definitely curious relatively to the nuances compared to reclaims, as i suspect this might very well lead me to experience a 3rd revelation!...
So, many aspects await and hence i'm utterly envious of young people who will get plenty of time to sample all of those fine opportunities, lucky them! - but i still can attempt an answer based on my limited background and as a result i'd conclude by replying that i'd sure love to try some hard-core rigs because that's probably showing part of where the future is heading (with induction nails in particular).
At the moment i'm back to basics with the gradual acquisition of improved inhalation skills (my new VG pipe somehow triggered something in me which makes me want to do that)... It's like i've got 2 types of lung in addition to the airways, one part expands but doesn't feel like it absorbs: it's only when i reach the final stage that absorption seems to kick in. Hard to explain...
Anyway here's what i've done with some apparent success lately. In essence i recirculate the cannabic vapour by releasing some to make room for additional fresh air, allowing some motion to take place in the lungs, then i repeat this process until my inhalation becomes too diluted to continue. In short i don't hold long (2-3 sec) but often, so to speak. Doing so puts me in closer touch with my body and that feels good but i need to adopt a position allowing free expansion of the lungs, best done outdoors - or in a veranda!... Plus in comparison to the table unit it doesn't even irritate if i'm careful and/or lucky. Go figure!
Actually i must say my biggest regret is that i didn't get the option to choose bewteen combustion and vaporisation right from the start some 30+ years ago, because if i had i'd probably still be able to share a smoked joint and enjoy it with others today - a direct consequence of prohibition if one needs to ask me.
I do understand how convenient this can prove to be in real-life situations but i've practically always been using an accessory even in my smoker days so you can bet if i hadn't quit that habit there'd be a ‘Vapor Skillet’ (or Nail/Dome?) setup in my relax corner or else, though i'd most likely want an induction one now that i've done some reading!...
Well, i never was the "hard-core" type if such an expression makes sense anyway; also, being French-Canadian on top of that simply means i can become confused with slang "stoner" expressions, etc... Yet, a simple answer would be that i can't make conclusive comparisons based on my limited experience.
You see, as a hashish smoker i hated fire (already!) and that was it so this is how i came to adopt some sort of bottled-pipe artifact, exclusively, and this implied smoking joints after a complicated ritual where blond filliform (Drum) tobacco was selected to serve as substrate for my hashish bits while a filter closed one end. In fact i pushed fantasy by painting China ink markings on it in order to know when to stop, because it felt awfull to combust that paper filter which was replaced with a metal screen, eventually...
That's quite amateuristic in every way but the fact is i just wasn't properly educated cannabically speaking and that's one reason why i'm relieved to think i can at least hope to correct some of my past mistakes at last, in a much proper manner. Even if it comes a bit late.
Anyway, after viewing the doctor's infernal machine in a film titled "Barbarella" i came to call it my "amplificateur de douleur" (with an ironic punny touch intended as i recall):
NSFW:
Indeed it seems it did amplify somehow, but just not the way i expected.
...
So, all i can tell is that my 1st few intimate contacts with noble condensated reclaims was a second revelation (after discovering vaporism). Among things i yet have to try there's QWET from flowers as i'm definitely curious relatively to the nuances compared to reclaims, as i suspect this might very well lead me to experience a 3rd revelation!...
So, many aspects await and hence i'm utterly envious of young people who will get plenty of time to sample all of those fine opportunities, lucky them! - but i still can attempt an answer based on my limited background and as a result i'd conclude by replying that i'd sure love to try some hard-core rigs because that's probably showing part of where the future is heading (with induction nails in particular).
At the moment i'm back to basics with the gradual acquisition of improved inhalation skills (my new VG pipe somehow triggered something in me which makes me want to do that)... It's like i've got 2 types of lung in addition to the airways, one part expands but doesn't feel like it absorbs: it's only when i reach the final stage that absorption seems to kick in. Hard to explain...
Anyway here's what i've done with some apparent success lately. In essence i recirculate the cannabic vapour by releasing some to make room for additional fresh air, allowing some motion to take place in the lungs, then i repeat this process until my inhalation becomes too diluted to continue. In short i don't hold long (2-3 sec) but often, so to speak. Doing so puts me in closer touch with my body and that feels good but i need to adopt a position allowing free expansion of the lungs, best done outdoors - or in a veranda!... Plus in comparison to the table unit it doesn't even irritate if i'm careful and/or lucky. Go figure!
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i didnt have the attention span to read all the replies, but IMO holding the smoke in past 7 seconds seems to be pointless and probably bad for your lungs. usually ill just breathe it in deeply and breathe it out. no holding. seems to work just fine. then again i am smokin medical grade with 20 something percent thc, so im sure id get higher if i held it in a bit, but i really do not need too. I smoke ciggs as well and my lungs aren't in the best condition anyway.
adam west
Bluelighter
i think i remember reading somewhere that its also better to cough too as it will circultate better, of course this sould be completely bs
Egzoset
Bluelighter
Salutations Adam West,
Frankly i don't know but i did read the same, perhaps it was on the same board. I've done everything i could to avoid exactly that, nonetheless! See below...
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I had some hopes in lecithin capsules but it plumetted somewhat lately and the cannabic universe is still a vast place to explore!
Frankly i don't know but i did read the same, perhaps it was on the same board. I've done everything i could to avoid exactly that, nonetheless! See below...
BL: FogBong!
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I had some hopes in lecithin capsules but it plumetted somewhat lately and the cannabic universe is still a vast place to explore!
Egzoset
Bluelighter
Salutations 2cAlex,
Eventually i sense i'll be in a better position to determine if the "recirculation" gymnastic benefits me in terms of potency extension, etc. At the moment my impression is that it's more likely about a compound of multiple aspects. For example, to me it feels like playtime while i try to concentrate on my sensations and remain in control... Maybe i'm an old fool but that relaxes me! I just need to not forget to avoid being tense while i think about something else, etc. During those 12-15 seconds i'm not available for anyone: i'm busy!
Busy trying to focuss!!
Perhaps the difference is i don't interrupt my respiration completely: instead i take gradually larger amounts of fresh air until there's no cannabic vapor left to exhale... Overall that may not last much longer than 12-15 seconds, which means inhalation + recirculation time would hardly reach beyond 30 seconds or half a minute. In comparison my table unit requires 3 - 5 minutes to warm up and the session itself will last no more than 30 minutes since there's a timer (and i do reset on occasions)... Briefly put the portable beats the table one in a spontaneity arena no sweat.
Yet once the cannabic vapour has been inhaled things should be roughly the same (table or not) so i'm now wondering why i didn't think of that recirculation game before... It seems the pipe-vaporizer is a decent trade-off between smoking vs vaping, nonetheless: there's no wait but there's no combustion products neither (provided one can be sufficiently careful - i turns out i can, lucky me).
Now that i rethink of it what i'm trying to do should look more like "sampling" than retaining, using a vaporizer. Oh, and now that i think of it lets just mention i've tried with a 2nd sintered filter and i still managed to use my portable correctly so that might be a hint about some way to limit the risk of combustion somewhat further... No couphing today.
Eventually i sense i'll be in a better position to determine if the "recirculation" gymnastic benefits me in terms of potency extension, etc. At the moment my impression is that it's more likely about a compound of multiple aspects. For example, to me it feels like playtime while i try to concentrate on my sensations and remain in control... Maybe i'm an old fool but that relaxes me! I just need to not forget to avoid being tense while i think about something else, etc. During those 12-15 seconds i'm not available for anyone: i'm busy!
Perhaps the difference is i don't interrupt my respiration completely: instead i take gradually larger amounts of fresh air until there's no cannabic vapor left to exhale... Overall that may not last much longer than 12-15 seconds, which means inhalation + recirculation time would hardly reach beyond 30 seconds or half a minute. In comparison my table unit requires 3 - 5 minutes to warm up and the session itself will last no more than 30 minutes since there's a timer (and i do reset on occasions)... Briefly put the portable beats the table one in a spontaneity arena no sweat.
Yet once the cannabic vapour has been inhaled things should be roughly the same (table or not) so i'm now wondering why i didn't think of that recirculation game before... It seems the pipe-vaporizer is a decent trade-off between smoking vs vaping, nonetheless: there's no wait but there's no combustion products neither (provided one can be sufficiently careful - i turns out i can, lucky me).
Now that i rethink of it what i'm trying to do should look more like "sampling" than retaining, using a vaporizer. Oh, and now that i think of it lets just mention i've tried with a 2nd sintered filter and i still managed to use my portable correctly so that might be a hint about some way to limit the risk of combustion somewhat further... No couphing today.
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Fire&Water
Bluelighter
I was smoking w/ a couple Nam' vets' (roommates) couple of weeks ago - friends of a friend...they get steady supplies of decent Mexican sativa -pretty buds...red & orange trichomes
Heres the F'd up part, they glue a couple papers together then roll the stems, seeds weed all together and claim if you dont hold it in for at least 10 seconds, (basically watchin the clock) its a waste!
It was like a miniature fireworks display in their living room I tried telling em' if they cleaned the weed they could at least try guerrilla grows in the spring...they were like huh? thats like work, but when I didnt hold the smoke in (for fear of a seed burning a hole in my cornea) the dude was like "aw man, yer wastin every toke"
You would think somebody thats been smoking weed for at least 45 years would have a clue - 60 year old noobs..."the more that things change, the more they stay the same".
Heres the F'd up part, they glue a couple papers together then roll the stems, seeds weed all together and claim if you dont hold it in for at least 10 seconds, (basically watchin the clock) its a waste!
It was like a miniature fireworks display in their living room I tried telling em' if they cleaned the weed they could at least try guerrilla grows in the spring...they were like huh? thats like work, but when I didnt hold the smoke in (for fear of a seed burning a hole in my cornea) the dude was like "aw man, yer wastin every toke"
You would think somebody thats been smoking weed for at least 45 years would have a clue - 60 year old noobs..."the more that things change, the more they stay the same".
Egzoset
Bluelighter
Salutations Fire&Water,
Get used to it, relatively wide-spread access to social (internet) discussion-forums sharing knowledge on century-old lies and whatnot is still a recent phenomena in terms of human generations!...
So, as i wrote to cyberius before... Lately i've been vaping at my pace while i get used to my VG pipe adapted "ritual" some more every day, in the veranda. Though, should you have asked me about it on a hot August evening of the year 2010 then i might have just seemed clueless indeed: 1) since i had quit smoking for years and couldn't care less at that time; 2) despite decades spent sucking on a dirty "tokeu" i never got an opportunity to consider any "Harm Reduction" alternatives such as vaporisation and cooking, etc, whatsoever - not even once. Books & Magazines was how we got information in the good old days but i didn't manage to get my hands on those types of documents i'm afraid! Sorry for not sticking within more appropriate circles.
Who do you think may be willing to "invest" hundreds of dollars for a new "toy" if not a grey head worried by long-term health implications, etc?...
Humans commit errors and learn through them at all ages, the difference is that today's 20 - 30 years old newbie has no need to seek answers as people once did.
Get used to it, relatively wide-spread access to social (internet) discussion-forums sharing knowledge on century-old lies and whatnot is still a recent phenomena in terms of human generations!...
So, as i wrote to cyberius before... Lately i've been vaping at my pace while i get used to my VG pipe adapted "ritual" some more every day, in the veranda. Though, should you have asked me about it on a hot August evening of the year 2010 then i might have just seemed clueless indeed: 1) since i had quit smoking for years and couldn't care less at that time; 2) despite decades spent sucking on a dirty "tokeu" i never got an opportunity to consider any "Harm Reduction" alternatives such as vaporisation and cooking, etc, whatsoever - not even once. Books & Magazines was how we got information in the good old days but i didn't manage to get my hands on those types of documents i'm afraid! Sorry for not sticking within more appropriate circles.
Who do you think may be willing to "invest" hundreds of dollars for a new "toy" if not a grey head worried by long-term health implications, etc?...
Humans commit errors and learn through them at all ages, the difference is that today's 20 - 30 years old newbie has no need to seek answers as people once did.
Fire&Water
Bluelighter
They'll spend the rest of their years w/ burning stems falling in their laps & seeds exploding in their faces...
any smoking apparatus to them would just be a dust collector. You could try to explain a vaporizer to them for a year and they still wouldnt "get it"
any smoking apparatus to them would just be a dust collector. You could try to explain a vaporizer to them for a year and they still wouldnt "get it"
Egzoset
Bluelighter
Hi again Fire&Water,
Personally i fail to see how exploded seeds are supposed to enhance the experience. As far as Harm Reduction goes i might even possibly want to tag this practice a security hazard it seems.
Personally i fail to see how exploded seeds are supposed to enhance the experience. As far as Harm Reduction goes i might even possibly want to tag this practice a security hazard it seems.
Man, remember those youthful days before you knew you had to pick the sticks and seeds out or else you'll get a headache? Nothing worse than getting halfway through the J only to smell something funny, hear a sizzle and a pop and then seeing the midpoint of the blunt look like it's imploding and sending the cherry and tiny embers flying everywhere.
I look back on it and smile, but in the heat of the moment I was pretty fucking upset with that situation.
I look back on it and smile, but in the heat of the moment I was pretty fucking upset with that situation.
midnitecruiser
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It's well known that keeping smoke or vapor in the lungs up to 30 seconds from inhalation gets a greater amount of cannabinoids absorbed (than lesser time kept in the lungs). For those interested, see pages 270-271 of "Hashish" by R.C.Clarke, for example: it gives an analysis of smoking efficiency.
When you smoke a joint if you take a medium toke and then breathe only through the nose a major part of the smoke will keep circulating in your lungs and only comes out bit by bit over the next minutes. You've probably seen other people do this, if you haven't done it yourself.
When you smoke a joint if you take a medium toke and then breathe only through the nose a major part of the smoke will keep circulating in your lungs and only comes out bit by bit over the next minutes. You've probably seen other people do this, if you haven't done it yourself.
Egzoset
Bluelighter
Salutations Jibult,
Salutations MidNiteCruiser,
Hummm... Clothes with holes burned here and there, from hashish bits as far as i'm concerned... But it didn't happen unless i opened my venerable "tokeu" (pipe) which was pretty safe in this regard as it contained everything inside its red acrylic body, euh... Though it wouldn't be long before its clean state reverted to that of an opaque coating made of ashes and tar for the most part, etc. Something definitely not meant to be scraped by my present standards.
Quite frankly, as a young smoker i'd have been better advised not to try to hold so much, or even better:
Never before i've seen this (alledged) 1981 vaporizer advertising sample, which only confirms it simply couldn't have reached me back then i suppose, most unfortunately...
The prospect really makes me wonder!
It's a pleasure when a reference allows such easy localisation; i can't but orbserve that item 2 does mention such a holding delay:
Thank you.
Yet, considering the potency of my herb (combined to the extraction power of modern toys) i'd argue maybe it's not critical to a point there would be no room left for adaptation(s).
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I'll have to meditate on this while thinking of this passage:
It's from the "Vaporizing Hashish" chapter, on page 285 i believe...
And i find there's much more actually, the author even refers to an 80 Watts heater apparatus and related measurements, etc.
Nice information to have around, most effectively.
Salutations MidNiteCruiser,
Hummm... Clothes with holes burned here and there, from hashish bits as far as i'm concerned... But it didn't happen unless i opened my venerable "tokeu" (pipe) which was pretty safe in this regard as it contained everything inside its red acrylic body, euh... Though it wouldn't be long before its clean state reverted to that of an opaque coating made of ashes and tar for the most part, etc. Something definitely not meant to be scraped by my present standards.
Quite frankly, as a young smoker i'd have been better advised not to try to hold so much, or even better:
NSFW:
Never before i've seen this (alledged) 1981 vaporizer advertising sample, which only confirms it simply couldn't have reached me back then i suppose, most unfortunately...
The prospect really makes me wonder!
It's a pleasure when a reference allows such easy localisation; i can't but orbserve that item 2 does mention such a holding delay:
« The smoker might not hold the hit for 20 to 30 seconds, exhaling too soon or coughing. »
Thank you.
Yet, considering the potency of my herb (combined to the extraction power of modern toys) i'd argue maybe it's not critical to a point there would be no room left for adaptation(s).
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I'll have to meditate on this while thinking of this passage:
« Joints put hashish in a familiar form for smoking but are an inefficient smoking technique, as much of the vaporized THC is lost in smoke that is not inhaled. »
It's from the "Vaporizing Hashish" chapter, on page 285 i believe...
And i find there's much more actually, the author even refers to an 80 Watts heater apparatus and related measurements, etc.
Nice information to have around, most effectively.
ech0s85
Bluelighter
just hold it for five seconds and youll be good. i once was with two guys who were bragging about how much they could smoke, and one guy claimed he could smoke a gram and a half of medical bud in his bong over the course of 15 minutes and not be all that stoned. we called bullshit on that and it ended with the two having a smoke off.
the guy making the claim smoked by clearing the bong and almost immediately exhaling, like holding it in half a second, one second at most. After we made him hold the smoke for at least 5 seconds he starting to puke and tapped out before the first gram was done.
the guy making the claim smoked by clearing the bong and almost immediately exhaling, like holding it in half a second, one second at most. After we made him hold the smoke for at least 5 seconds he starting to puke and tapped out before the first gram was done.
laugh
Ex-Bluelighter
Holding the smoke in is particularly bad for the lungs and does not give anymore, that is to say any better effects.
From someone who had a pneumothorax from sucking bongs and subsequently spent too much money on appointments with a Pulmonary Specialist.
From someone who had a pneumothorax from sucking bongs and subsequently spent too much money on appointments with a Pulmonary Specialist.
Egzoset
Bluelighter
Salutations Ech0s85,
Salutations Laugh,
Using my VG pipe i may not pause for as long as 5 seconds, i've got to wonder all the sudden... Anyway, the remaining seconds are something else it seems.
Salutations Laugh,
Using my VG pipe i may not pause for as long as 5 seconds, i've got to wonder all the sudden... Anyway, the remaining seconds are something else it seems.
midnitecruiser
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I'll have to meditate on this while thinking of this passage:
« Joints put hashish in a familiar form for smoking but are an inefficient smoking technique, as much of the vaporized THC is lost in smoke that is not inhaled. »
It's from the "Vaporizing Hashish" chapter, on page 285 i believe...
And i find there's much more actually, the author even refers to an 80 Watts heater apparatus and related measurements, etc.
Nice information to have around, most effectively.
Well, when you smoke a joint, up to 50% of the (sweet) smoke is lost in the sidestream (I can't quote from scripture on this one, just believe me, it's stoner lore, OK?). This might be minimized if a circle jerk of stoners pass the dutchie on the left hand side. That's why it's done.
I think the author (this Clarke fella) finds vaporizers and bongs much more attractive than the joint, for hashish smoking at least. To each his own, I say. A dedicated stoner can practice and become more efficient in different smoking techniques, that might involve the burning of paper, as well as the use of more elaborate glass and metal made contraptions. I've tried all (OK, almost) the methods of smoking at least once. There is no method of smoking or otherwise absorbing cannabinoids that is superior to all others, IMHO, and generally speaking
Holding the smoke in; it is good. I say.