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Hitting the wall with salvia

Splitz

Splitz

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Pain in the arse... used a bong, with increasing amounts each time... held in the lungs for as long as physically possible, just couldn't break through. Won't work. I'm skint though, so I was using a weak extract, 10x to be precise.

Is that the issue? In the end I was putting whopping amounts in... money is an issue for me, for the forseeable future, and the shops are expensive for strong extracts.

Taking a lungful of not very nice tasting smoke, using a lot of salvia, only to find I can't get more than 30 seconds of giggles and tingly fingers is frustrating.
 
It's intriguing... but it's mainly having spent money I feel is going down the drain that's ticked me off!
 
Try using the bong without any water in it. Every time I've hit it from a bong with water it's been a complete waste, but without water it's always been pretty strong, even 10x. My first breakthrough was from ~3/4 gram of salvia 10x in an acrylic bong without any water in it. Oh yeah, I used a regular Bic lighter, too.
 
ive done many different extract strengths, and my strongest trip, that (like many others) caused me to break through was from 10x. ive done 40x 30x, 20, 10, 5 etc. 40 is strong as hell, but 20x from a real brand will definitely get you there (maybe you have a strange genetic tolerance to salvinorin a). theres a company called ecstasy that makes salvia, herbal cigarettes and other herbal supplies, you can buy there stuff online or at a head shop. definitely my favorite brand.

anyways...
i suggest a few things some that werent mentioned, do as many of them as you can:
1. use a torch lighter...from what ive read (and experienced) salvinorin A has a much higher burning or oxidation or whatever point than THC, so a torch lighter helps combust more of that salvinorin A out of there. it ALSO helps you snap the entire hit much faster and painlessly. it almost instantly dissapears.
2. be high on cannabis before you do salvia...or at least put some weed at the bottom of you bowl piece to plug the hole, and give you that little THC high that always boosts psychedelics for me. doing salvia high on marijuana DEFINITELY makes it more intense for me.
3. bong (this is a must-have for me). ive never broken through on salvia without a bong.
4. snap as much of the hit as you can, and make sure the bowl it filled pretty fat and that you have a decent sized bowl piece that can hold a nice sturdy hit.
5. hold it in until a few seconds before you cant breath anymore. usually i hold it in as long as i can and i end up coughing or laughing it out automatically as i start tripping.
6. INHALE THE SMOKE WHEN YOU RIP IT. none of this inhale the smoke but most of it stays in your mouth bull. YOU RIP the bong, you move the bong away, you take a DEEP BREATH to get alllllllll that smoke deep into your lungs, and HOLD (see #5).

good luck my friend.
p.s. i also heard (i forgot where though) that salvinorin a degrades in the plant over time through UV light rays, so try to keep it out of the sun. but i do not believe heat is a problem (it might even dry it up so you can fit more in a bowl)
 
Splitz said:
I was using a weak extract, 10x to be precise.
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10x is by no means a weak extract. I never used more than 10x, and I had breakthroughs even with plain S.D: leaf, but I had to use a bong and inhale like a vacuum cleaner, with x10 just a tiny puff and there you go, no need for bongs or torch lighters, just a regular bic.
 
Sounds like maybe your salvia might be kinda weak.

Tips to get the most out of salvia:

1. Take it in the dark.
2. Use torch lighter.

Bongs help...

Best way to do salvia is orally/subingually though. You trip longer and it's not "Ridiculous" like smoking it is.

IT's said that smoking it is bad and salvia dislikes being burnt. Eat instead, the trip can be life changing. Smoke salvia is usually nothing more than salvia screwing with you.
 
DONT "EAT" it. Under the tongue. Swish with Listerine or other store brand containing both alchohol and Menthol first, as this greatly increases absorption. Get a high quality liquid extract, standardized and tested for Salvinorin-A content... many cheap ones are just "Salvia tea" made by greedy profiteers and dont work for crap. See this post and the one it links to:

http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showpost.php?p=8896755&postcount=5
 
Thanks all, for the tips. I did alot right, I was in a dark room, in silence (I hear alot of people prefer silence, usually I enjoy music with most drugs but I was willing to give this a go with salvia). Used a bong.

I'll certainly be trying some of these new things out though. I assumed 10x was weak simply because there's rediculously high ones out there...

Thinking about trying the sublingual method too. As for the reverse tolerance thing... the strongest effect I've had with salvia (still not breakthrough) was actually my first time, although since then I can't say my tolerance has increased each time or anything.

There seems to be a real technique invloved here, you have to think about everything! Anyway I hope it'll be worth it. I love DMT and plan to extract some at some point, but although most people say they would choose it over salvia any day, I know that salvia is unique and along the same lines with regards to intensity. I don't want to give up on it, what right-minded psychonaut turns back at the entrance to the abyss? :P
 
there are techniques, the main one is patience, reverse tolerance is REAL, also who knows what quality leaf you're getting, buy a live plant and grow it and clone it, they grow fast and easy, one fresh leaf in your mouth can send you to meet your mummy.
 
glenjih said:
Just to address the mention of tolerance above, I think I remember reading that there is a reverse tolerance with salvia (i.e. the more times you do it the deeper you're likely to go).

Can someone confirm?
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yes, i have also heard this. its in Dale Pendell's Pharmako-trilogy. quick scanning does not reveal anything in the book. an online source: http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Drugs:Fact_and_Fiction/Salvia

i think www.sagewisdom.org hosts the entire chapter of the pendell book, might be worth a read for everyone interested in salvia. Yes, there it is: http://www.sagewisdom.org/pharmakopoeia.html
 
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