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Hippyflip with 4-AcO-DMT & MDMA

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The idea of a hippyflip has finally come through with my mates. But I want to use 4-AcO-DMT instead of regular magic truffles (psilocybine) because of the horrible taste, which has made me puke before. I haven't used 4-AcO-DMT before, but I got quite some experience with psilocybine, even though it's been nearly 2 years since I've used it. Last time I had a bad trip due to bad circumstances, so this time I want it to be an incredible experience again. I was thinking of buying a box of nitrous, which has also been a year since I used it. When the main effects are fading I might even go for some ketamine. Even though I love ketamine, I think it would be to confusing to take a bump while peaking on 4-AcO-DMT, wouldn't it?

I have this odd feeling I need to get most out of this experience as this is the first time we decided it would be 'OK' to use MDMA at home instead of a festival/party. If someone did use partydrugs on random occasions the others wouldn't be happy. But finally it's 'OK' for once. That's why I'm considering adding a low dose of 2c-c (which is my favorite 2c-x atm) to my second MDMA-capsule.

We've got a total of 30mg 4-AcO-DMT each. So I was thinking of 22-25mg as a first dose and then add the leftovers to the MDMA-capsule. I might make a second MDMA capsule due to my relatively high tolerance for MDMA. This Friday I will get the results of the MDMA, which is being lab-tested for concentration. The ketamine has already been tested and is 84% pure.

I was thinking of this:
T=0 25mg 4-AcO-DMT
T+1 150mg MDMA + 5mg 4-AcO-DMT
T+3 100mg MDMA (+15mg 2C-C)
T+6 25mg Ketamine
T+7 25mg Ketamine

And offcourse some nitrous, marijuana and/or AM-2201 during the roll.

Does this seems like a good way to go? I'm also wondering if the duration of 4-AcO-DMT is comparable to the duration of magic truffles? If it's even shorter then magic truffles, I might be getting some more 4-AcO-DMT for a more hefty re-dose. Would 25mg + 5mg 4-AcO-DMT be comparable to at least a moderate psilocybine trip?
 
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I'd take all the 4-aco-dmt together (and the 2c-c if you want it), and the mdma (first 150mg) at the peak. Then take the second mdma dose if the first starts wearing off before the psys.
30mg 4-aco-dmt + 15mg 2c-c should be a pretty strong trip.

I don't know about the ketamine tho..
 
I've done the MDMA/4-aco-dmt/2c-c combo several times, it's better than a hippyflip IMO. don't dose 30mgs of psilacetin off the bat if you haven't used it before, regardless of past psychedelic experience. 30mgs alone can send many people into a hell of a trip. I reccomend starting off with 150mgs MDMA and 20mgs of 4-aco (25mgs tops) and go from there. If you wanna trip harder dose the rest of the 4-aco and the 2c-c, if you wanna roll harder dose the MDMA etc... 4-aco-dmt has always lasted 4-5 hours tops so it lasts about the same as psilocybin, at least for me. The come-up from 4-aco has always been full of anxiety so when added with MDMA the first hour may be uncomfortable but once they both kick in it settles down into a very mellow euphoric trip. When I do the combo I dose around 25mgs of 4-aco and 150mgs of MDMA then at the peak I plug anywhere from 30-40mgs of 2c-c and ride out the trip and leave the MDMA alone besides maybe a 75mg top up.
 
Many people discribe the come-up from psilocybin unpleasant. Me for one, I'm not bothered, it's strange to say the least, but I think it's strange in a fun way. I think I'll wait for the 4-aco to come-up and maybe pop the first cap after 1 hour instead of 2. The come-up of 2c-c feels way different and more unpleasant, so I would rather take this while I'm rolling.
 
Sounds kind of depressing to be honest. I always found pscilocetin to be very gloomy, drab, and boring;while MDMA is neurotoxic and can cause deep levels of depression on its own. The time lines don't natch up very well IMO either.

If I had my choice I would use 4-MM(mephedrone) and 4-HO-DET as my favorite tryptamine + stim euphorant. The only thing that beats the former combination is heroin at the peak of a high dose tryptamine experience.
Ethocin seemss to be vastly under rated in this sub forum.
 
Why wouldn't the time lines natch up? The MDMA-crash happens after the 4-aco has worn off. Even after the MDMA has worn off, I can still have a good time, it's a nice careless buzz. Besides 2c-'s are known to be gentle on the come-down. 4-AcO-DMT is found to be more enjoyable then psilocybin by many users. I can enjoy psilocybin on it's own too, so this might be even better.

Mephedrone is probably one of the more dangerous stimulants out there, so saying MDMA is neurotoxic isn't really relevant.
 
You can do 4-ho-met instead of the 4-aco-dmt if you want something lighter and 5/6 mapb if you don't think mdma will last long enough.

4-ho-met + 5-mapb (20mg + 80mg) is next on the list of flips I want to try, LSZ + 5-mapb was wonderful (300ug lsz + 80mg 5-mapb 2h later, durations matched perfectly).
 
I can vouch for the 5-apb/4-ho-met/2c-c combo. I actually did this combo yesterday with 30mgs metocin, 40mgs plugged 2c-c, and 150mgs of 5-apb and it is VERY euphoric and colorfull although I did this combo 8 hours into an 80mgs aMT trip so idk if that made the experience more enjoyable.
 
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Well I never tried 4-HO-MET before and I didn't like 6APB at all, so I don't even want to give 5APB a try. I'll just stick to the 4-AcO-DMT and MDMA I got at the moment.
 
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