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Highest baeocystin ratio or percentage mushroom species?

Cwest

Cwest

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Hi everyone I am looking for the mushroom with the highest dry weight baeocystin (3-2-(methylamino)ethyl-1H-indol-4-ol dihydrogen phosphate ester) containing mushroom species. I am looking for either the mushroom that has the highest ratio vs psilocin and psilocybin or highest percent of baeocystin in dry weight per gram.
I have found reports that Conocybe cyanopus and Psilocybe baeocystis (named that because baeocystin was first discovered in this species, not because it has the highest percent) have baeocystin content up to 1 percent dry weight (depending on culture) and that Psilocybe semilanceata has up to 3.4 percent baeo (it is currently my candidate for what I am looking for). I have also found that Psilocybe azurescens and cyanescens have very high percent by dry weight but are also the two most potent psilocybin mushrooms so the baeo would be overshadowed by the other alkaloids. Similarly Inocybe aeruginascens has a high baeocystin content (relative to psilocin/psilocybin) but also has aeruginascine which could also overshadow the baeo experience. The reason I am interested is baeocystin is little researched and is different enough structurally to have separate effects from psilocybin. Also the only two fatalities (that were not environmental) from mushrooms came from cyanescens and baeocystis which leads me to believe it is very different pharmacologically as psilocybin containing mushrooms are revered for their safety profile (other than environmental/psychological issues present with all hallucinogens)
I am interested in a primarily baeocystin mushroom trip for personal reasons and to post here and on Erowid (once I figure out which species I am going to use)
If anyone has insight or experience or can list species with high baeocystin content that would be very helpful :)
also feel free to link me with an existing thread or move to ADD or another forum :)
thank you,
Cwest
 
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that was one of the pages I used as reference cathode, but thank you :)
it supports my choice of P. semilanceata though
 
what are the qualitative differences that a higher baeocystin content produces and why ?
 
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I really don't think it is active. Myself and a few other BLers certainly had 4-Ho-NMT in...what was that 2009ish? Whenever it was, take my word that it was 'norbaeocystin' and it was inactive up to many tens of milligrams....and as far as I know...the presence of that phosphate ester should not make an inactive psychedelic...active. Maybe someone else will jump in.
 
Perhaps it might subtly influence other existing reactions, piggyback fashion.

Liberty caps, P.semilanceata certainly have a lot of baeocystin and norbaeocystin in them, and are fucking potent little buggers anyway.
 
It certainly could. The strange thing is, a batch of psilocin came out with the 4-Ho-NMT and many tried them together...nobody to my knowledge noted any effect (piggyback, or otherwise) with the added 4-Ho-NMT.....to the best of my knowledge. I never tried the 4-Ho-NMT myself but I will make it a point to change that status next time I reach in the shaving kit for some psilocin. I will be sure to report here....anyone else?
 
Limpet_Chicken said:
Perhaps it might subtly influence other existing reactions, piggyback fashion.

Liberty caps, P.semilanceata certainly have a lot of baeocystin and norbaeocystin in them, and are fucking potent little buggers anyway.
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as of now I think those are what im going to try
 
morninggloryseed said:
It certainly could. The strange thing is, a batch of psilocin came out with the 4-Ho-NMT and many tried them together...nobody to my knowledge noted any effect (piggyback, or otherwise) with the added 4-Ho-NMT.....to the best of my knowledge. I never tried the 4-Ho-NMT myself but I will make it a point to change that status next time I reach in the shaving kit for some psilocin. I will be sure to report here....anyone else?
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in the book Magic Mushrooms Around the World it is reported to be a mild hallucinogen at 4 mg and similar but different to low doses of psilocin at 10 mg. I cannot say as I have only tried cubensis, aztecorum and 4 aco dmt, never baeo on its own
 
Yes I know, and the same citation is in the classic Pharmacotheon by Jonathan Ott. But I do know that norbaeocystin is inactive. I will have to dig for my Pharmacotheon but I will....in the meantime I am near positive that the original claim was cited as private data....so it's one of those things that still has to go in the 'speculative' box. Either way, whatever the source of that claim....if it is true it would add another twist into the theory that psilocin is the end product responsible for a mushroom trip because baeocystin would not be active if that were true....in theory I guess. :)

I suppose it will just have to be a mystery for now.
 
morninggloryseed said:
I really don't think it is active. Myself and a few other BLers certainly had 4-Ho-NMT in...what was that 2009ish? Whenever it was, take my word that it was 'norbaeocystin' and it was inactive up to many tens of milligrams....and as far as I know...the presence of that phosphate ester should not make an inactive psychedelic...active. Maybe someone else will jump in.
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norbaeocystin is actually 4-PO-T, but I know what you mean.
 
Cwest said:
Similarly Inocybe aeruginascens has a high baeocystin content (relative to psilocin/psilocybin) but also has aeruginascine which could also overshadow the baeo experience.
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Aeruginascin is to baeocystin as psilocybin is to psilocin. So thus according to the prevailing notion, the esterase enzymes in the body will chop off the ester, making psilocybin into psilocin and aeruginascin to baeocystin. Point being you don't have to worry about the aeruginascin altering the quality of the experience because it'll be converted into yet more baeocystin, making that species even better of a fit for your conditions! Cool, right?
 
Deinonychus said:
Aeruginascin is to baeocystin as psilocybin is to psilocin. So thus according to the prevailing notion, the esterase enzymes in the body will chop off the ester, making psilocybin into psilocin and aeruginascin to baeocystin. Point being you don't have to worry about the aeruginascin altering the quality of the experience because it'll be converted into yet more baeocystin, making that species even better of a fit for your conditions! Cool, right?
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I had no idea, thanks!
I. aeruginascens is on my list to try.. I guess id have to find some as I cant seem to find prints or spore syringes for sale
 
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