Higher purity crystal methamphetine

[p-man]

Yaya, we have that shit (the cutter i mean) going around in Adel! Well we did last time I checked which was a few weeks ago! I wonder if each local shipment is also being cut locally (as in the Adel gear going around is cut [using the Isopropylbenzylamine HCI] here, and the gear going around Syd. is also cut [again using Isopropylbenzylamine HCI] but in Syd) or is the general consensus is that its all coming from the one source/cook?

Well my sources say that this stuff(well what i picked up with the insoluble cut) wasn't local and it was cut before it arrived here. It's arrived some time ago in quite a large quantity as well so I wouldn't be surprised if it's making its way around Aus. I haven't picked anything up in quite some time due to the 'quality' of the meth going around atm..

 

[footscrazy]

Even if isopropylbenzylamine started through one person, it wouldn't take long for the word to get out.

 

[grugz]

Well fm sounds of things its going around

 

[Sameria]

Yes I've recently come accross it in the Sydney area and hearing about it steadily more and more accross the country. The gear I sampled was quite a distinct cloudy white colour, slightly unusally shaped, elongated crystals with a very strong acetone smell when crushed. It did seem a little wet too. This stuff was horrible to smoke. It turned into black oil and then tar very quickly and taste shocking, plus it leaves a headache. Don't think I'll bother with meth again if it's all going to be cut with this rubbish...who knows how bad it is for you.

 

[Jabberwocky]

daily use?

had a question to ask in relation to current methamphetamine and constant use, figured better to post in here than make a new thread.

Basically came across a cheap source of mid quality crystal meth in sydney and decided seeing as how I do take it quite often to party, why not buy larger quantities so that I pay less just the same with buds/pills etc. The last 6 months I've kept up a pretty strict routine of smoking it 6 days a week. I work in sales and need to be able to talk and connect to be good at my job and it allows that. My question is why, after 6 months of chronic use (smoking between 5 - 8g a week) am I not experiencing any side effects? I've questioned friends, about how I seem mentally, am I still me etc. They all say if anything I am much more with it. Since smoking this I completely ceased smoking pot, rarely drink whereas I drank everyday before hand. I feel much healthier, I've actually gained weight (I eat/sleep on the stuff fine now). I understand the side effects, I,m just interested as to why I'm not feeling them yet, and looking for a reason to drop this habit, because right now I literally cannot find any negative other than the obvious lung damage smoking meth causes. Basically I work on commission and if I cease use of this drug I'll lose the extra 700$ a week made by being so quick and connecting with customers. I'm willing to sacrifice the extra cash if constant use is damaging and to be honest I do feel bad because I guess society tells me I should so I'm looking for a substantial negative and just can't seem to find one. Is there anyone here that has smoked meth chronically over a long period of time that could let me know if it is managable and I'm fine doing what I'm doing, I don't want to drop it if I don't have to.

by the way the gear I get is by no means pure, it is nice dry crystals though, just a little cloudy not nice and clear. I have a higher tolerance than most friends and they being weekend users smoke roughly 3 - 4 points across a night and are very wired. I generally smoke between 8 to 10 points a day and am nicely high and euphoric. Cheers in advance.

 

[Mr Blonde]

^ Perhaps you had some form of ADHD and you weren't aware of it? Keep in mind that over the long term methamphetamine use can/will be neurotoxic.

 

[Christ!]

by the way the gear I get is by no means pure, it is nice dry crystals though, just a little cloudy not nice and clear. I have a higher tolerance than most friends and they being weekend users smoke roughly 3 - 4 points across a night and are very wired. I generally smoke between 8 to 10 points a day and am nicely high and euphoric. Cheers in advance.

Not sure how much damage it would be doing exactly...but I'm pretty sure it would be significant. You might have some type of ADD condition. Were you overly hyperactive as a kid compared to other children your age? Were you a daydreamer, zoning out in class? Did your report cards seem to repeat the same thing over and over through the years? (even when you were trying?) Moments of brilliance but typically underachieving? Not saying you can diagnose yourself, it just might give you an idea.

Might be worth looking into, the exact reason for ADD is unknown but some stuff I've read points towards having lower dopamine levels and/or not releasing the amount of dopamine (relatively) that other people do for the same activities. If you think it's a possibility, think about making an appointment with a good testing psychologist.

Have any chest problems? Can't imagine smoking that much would be good for the lungs.

Just quickly from wikipedia -

Long-term
Methamphetamine use has a high association with depression and suicide as well as serious heart disease, amphetamine psychosis, anxiety and violent behaviours. Methamphetamine also has a very high addiction risk.[8] Methamphetamine is neurotoxic and is associated with an increased risk of Parkinson's disease.[6][21]

Methamphetamine abuse can cause neurotoxicity which is believed to be responsible for causing persisting cognitive deficits, such as memory, impaired attention and executive function.[7]

If you've cut back or quit smoking weed since starting your methamphetamine habit, some of the 'feeling healthy' bit might be the fact you don't have the bongs in your system. Not sure about everyone else but I feel anything but healthy when smoking bongs regularly. When I get to the heavy chronic use stage it even decreases my appitite and makes sleeping harder (waking up in the middle of the night for a bong for example)

Maybe you can take a week or two off at some point? Do you have any holiday time you can take? You'll probably feel like shit for a while but at least it would give you a baseline mind state to assess things at.

Here's a 'getting through amphetamine withdrawal' pamphlet if you decide on having a break - http://www.meth.org.au/fileadmin/downloads/Amphetamine_wdl.pdf

 

[Jabberwocky]

Not sure how much damage it would be doing exactly...but I'm pretty sure it would be significant. You might have some type of ADD condition. Were you overly hyperactive as a kid compared to other children your age? Were you a daydreamer, zoning out in class? Did your report cards seem to repeat the same thing over and over through the years? (even when you were trying?) Moments of brilliance but typically underachieving? Not saying you can diagnose yourself, it just might give you an idea.

Might be worth looking into, the exact reason for ADD is unknown but some stuff I've read points towards having lower dopamine levels and/or not releasing the amount of dopamine (relatively) that other people do for the same activities. If you think it's a possibility, think about making an appointment with a good testing psychologist.

Have any chest problems? Can't imagine smoking that much would be good for the lungs.

Just quickly from wikipedia -



If you've cut back or quit smoking weed since starting your methamphetamine habit, some of the 'feeling healthy' bit might be the fact you don't have the bongs in your system. Not sure about everyone else but I feel anything but healthy when smoking bongs regularly. When I get to the heavy chronic use stage it even decreases my appitite and makes sleeping harder (waking up in the middle of the night for a bong for example)

Maybe you can take a week or two off at some point? Do you have any holiday time you can take? You'll probably feel like shit for a while but at least it would give you a baseline mind state to assess things at.

Here's a 'getting through amphetamine withdrawal' pamphlet if you decide on having a break - http://www.meth.org.au/fileadmin/downloads/Amphetamine_wdl.pdf

I was an extremely heavy bong smoker for roughly 4 years and to be completely honest I never really felt that bad the entire time I was on it. The only negative affect apart from the obvious minor memory problems was not being able to eat in the morning without a cone, which I'm sure contributed to me being quite underweight. I've gone from 60kg in January to a healthy 74kg. Also noticed when I smoked cones my heigene was average, I was very demotivated and sometimes missed a day brushing my teeth or having a shower. I've read habitual meth users have terrible heigene and yet since I've commenced chronic use I shower twice a day, never forget to brush my teeth and have a generally clean house. I was never diagnosed with ADD, and have a lot of friends with ADD whom I am definitely not like. I've always been a generally shy, withdrawn person, had a lot of anxiety issues a few years back, went on Lexapro for 12 months and was successfully treated. I always assumed people with ADD didn't get 'speedy' and whatnot off of meth and instead felt drowsy or relaxed. I get high as a kite and am very speedy. When I first started use my sleeping habits were terrible but now I get my 10 hours a night (except for the odd weekend a month ), I eat three meals a day, I work out. I'm sure I could do all these things without the use of meth although the effort required and my actual mental determination most certainly drops when I don't have any.

As for lung damage this is my main concern at the moment. I am very close to my GP as I've been to him quite a lot since I was around 16 and he knows of my use of methamphetamine. Of course he advises against it but at the moment check-ups have revealed nothing wrong and even he has commented on my increased sociability. My lungs actually feel a lot better and since quitting bongs I rarely get the chest pains I did back then. The odd thing is, I used to be a pack a day smoker before I started my meth use. Around 2 months in i've noticed I rarely pine for a cigarette which is odd because when I used to use it recreationally all I wanted to do was smoke. I generally make a 25 pack last 3 days now and sometimes even go a day with only 1 or 2 cigarettes which before would have me irritable and pissed off. I don't WANT to get off methamphetamine because at the moment the positives far outweigh the negatives although I am extremely aware of the dangerous potential an addiction to this drug can have, and I guess i'm a little worried that my mind is masking the negatives as it tends to do with drugs such as this. Hell, I had psychological erectile dysfunction problems for a year or so that weren't extremely bad although sometimes it would make sex near impossible. I haven't had anything but great experience since meth use and my girlfriend absolutely loves it. I guess the only reason why I continue to use is because I know I have a very good willpower, and when I want to quit something I will. Just wondering if when the negatives show and I do decide to stop, will it be too late or will I have gained what I could for a period of time from the drug and be done with it?

Also want to ask, is there a threshold that you reach with tolerance in terms of it never increasing past a certain point. Tolerance definitely increased over the first few months but for the past 40 or so days, it seems that i've been using the exact same amount and getting the exact same result. I'm wondering if maybe my tolerance has hit a wall and simply can't increase past this point although I'm quite unsure.

Lastly, i've read that habitual meth users report fatigue when they have days off or stop. Sunday is my only day off from work and throughout the last six months i've only ever used meth twice on a Sunday due to events. I never feel fatigued on Sunday, sure I have less energy but nothing that inhibits me, I just don't feel high, and if for whatever reason I don't actually start using again on the monday afternoon due to access reasons, I feel fine on the monday as well.

Planning on heading overseas for December/new years and I won't have access to it there and don't plan on taking it. I guess I'll do some comparisons then and see if It's worth continuing use when I get back.

 

[footscrazy]

I used meth for years, and daily for long stretches. It took a long time for the real negatives to kick in. It only really got bad after 5 years of use, and after that I spent two years trying to quit but often using heavily.

I'm also shy, and meth was perfect for me at first. After awhile though, there seems to be a reversal of effects. In the last two years of my use meth made me much more introverted, so wired and paranoid and lost in my own head that I could hardly interact with people. My tolerance did also rise to the point where I rarely got high, and I'd often start to get severe physical side effects before doing enough to mentally get me high.

Withdrawals can be pretty shit. I think if you suddenly stop before going on your holiday you're likely to ruin it, you'll be feeling so bad.I've always tried to take at least 3 weeks off before going on uni trips or holidays, and even then I haven't been 100%. Acute withdrawals last about 2 weeks, and for me it took 2 months before I felt almost 'normal' again.

It's unlikely you'll be able to quit until you really want to though. Meth is ridiculously hard to quit even when you really really do want to. Unfortunately, meth can fuck you up a lot before you get to the point where you say enough is enough.

 

[tyrael]

....
Here's a 'getting through amphetamine withdrawal' pamphlet
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qft! Good advice Christ, good man!

It's (extremely) easy to use drugs (or any sort) as a crutch, but all it does it mask whatever problems/any troubles! It may seem like it's "helping" but I can guarantee it's not*!!!

Maybe cease all drug use for a few weeks, get things sorted, and only then start using recreationally (as a posed to needing them, take them for "fun")!

* just wanna disclaimer this since I don't wanna come across judgemental at all! I myself (and probably quite a few [of the old school] BL'ers) have been right there myself - thinking I was taking the drugs "just for fun" when in actual fact I was self medicating! ) And again, not saying that this specifically is your case or anything! Just airing my experiences!

 

[Jabberwocky]

Cheers for the help guys, I'm going to be a lot more cautious from now until December, and may even bring down the use a bit to prepare for my holiday, although in terms of withdrawal and the like, my body is generally a fucking machine. I've gone on 3 week benders overseas on anything I could get my hands on with little to no sleep and friends go nearly insane, I just get a little sick, spend a day in bed and I'm good to go. I've always been like that, everyone else is around head in hands nursing their hangover and I've been up for 2 hours making breakfast, cleaning, reading a book. You know that person in your group of friends that you think "how do you do it?" i'm that person in my group. I am blessed

Edit:

Maybe cease all drug use for a few weeks, get things sorted, and only then start using recreationally (as a posed to needing them, take them for "fun")!

I missed this sorry. The thing is, to me now-a-days, meth isn't exactly my sort of recreational fun, in fact i'm sort of past my time of finding drugs fun. The only drugs like that to me are psychadelics, everything else is something to enhance the situation. Meth enhances my work situation and allows me to save more money so I can put a deposit on a house a year or two earlier. Alcohol allows me to loosen up a little and not be so paranoid in social situations, helps conversations to flow. I used to take drugs for the fun, but I started to find normal activities anyone else does were boring and the only things I found fun were getting high and partying. Now I enjoy the normal things again, and in the situations where drugs enhance them, I use them then. I guess its just how I look at it. Could look to most like a dangerous thing because it could become very habit forming but like I said I am confident in my willpower and ability to stop things when the negatives outweigh the positives and have done so my entire life. It's definitely not for everybody though.

 

[p-man]

Ok, so I haven't read through everything that's been written (I'll finish reading it later lol)
But from what I have read.. to me, you seem to have your head screwed on straight dude. There is such thing as a manageable habit imo and although there aren't many who are able to go from a certain level of addiction, and then stop without almost any problems. Of course there's always the chance that you're underestimating the drug, but then in your own mind, to KNOW you have the will power to stop without any craving's is a completely different thing. Not sure if I'm making sense to everyone but oh well.

I've put myself thought a few phycological addictions and have pulled through it with any problems. And although I didn't use anything for as long as you or some others have described. The longest being maybe 2 months of daily/6 days a weeks use respectively, with several different drugs at different tims. I was still able to stop because I knew I could if the time came where I was forced to stop, or I a reason came up where I had to.. I knew I could. I've probably spent well into $xx,xxx on meth this year alone, been off it for a bit over a month I think and don't miss it one bit. Used Oxycontin daily for about 3-4 weeks to point where I could rail 120mg+ and pretty much feel fuck all off it. Stopped with that very recently and haven't touched it for a bit over 24hrs now and there are no signs of withdrawals or craving as such just yet. There's always going to be the health problems with chronic use as some have already mentioned but I still do think some underestimate the will power of the mind..... and I'll probably finish this post up later because I cbf atm lol

Oh and taking multivitamins make all the difference when you're coming off something as I've experienced, so find some good ones that work well with your body

 

[Jabberwocky]

Been taking multivitamins + omega 3 everyday for years, gotta love lessons your parents instill in you . I just thought maybe I was actually crazy because I've never read of a meth habit that didn't involve a shit ton of negatives. Its considered a dirty drug with no benefits, even by drug enthusiasts when really, in the right hands it can be managed. I'm not saying I don't abuse it, I'm just saying that it has the potential, if controlled correctly to really help some people.

Another thing, in terms of quantity of meth if one was to be caught with an ounce + of meth would they serve jail time? No prior convictions and not selling the stuff just buying in bulk to excess association with criminals and save cash. Not really all that paranoid as obviously they aren't going to storm into my house just never really heard of how harsh australian law is and what can be known as personal use?

 

[p-man]

Oh, ok think I mis-read a few posts
I've got a friend who went through a stage where he was constantly using speed, every day without question for quite a few months I think. And he told me he was able to function/eat/sleep normally, so it's not unheard of I think, but not really common at the same time.

With your other question, not sure if you'd be allowed to ask that; Not relating to anything to do with HR
But I think you may have a bit explaining to do if so, that happened to be the case. Think positive dude!

 

[grugz]

I saw in one of the docos posted in the doco thread, this dude who got to the point where he doesnt feel anything but just needs the shot of meth just to function, he was that heavy user that his body just cant function with out it. He doesnt get high at all

 

[Jabberwocky]

With your other question, not sure if you'd be allowed to ask that; Not relating to anything to do with HR
But I think you may have a bit explaining to do if so, that happened to be the case. Think positive dude!

Question is just like, we know you can get done with a few ounces of bud and claim it as personal use and as long as you dolnt have piles of cash and sappies everywhere, you will only get fined etc. Just wondering if its the same for a harder drug like meth is the same or if it is much harsher penalties? Quite sure that doesn't break any rules.

 

[pisspotnrock]

Can ya possibly be a bit more specific on what you're calling bullshit on?

-That face that my fav. ROA is smoking? Cos believe me, this is quite true!
-That (i find) that smoking is more sociable?
-Or (again i find that) it's longer (longest in my opinion) lasting?
-Or (again i find that) the high isn't totally tweaked out (leaving me with still some level of mental clarity)
-Or the fact that the ROA IV'ing is much more economical

???

If you're gonna put up an argument against something I say, then actually put one up* yeh?! 8)

:D

read what I quoted, carefully

 

[chefping]

being caught with an ounce of decent purity methamphetamine will definitely land you in a spot of bother.
the prosecutor would have to prove intent to sell or traffic, but the amount alone will push the scales past the normal scope for recreational use.

in SA any amounts under 2 grams is considered "personal"... however having 2 grams bagged up in 20 point deals you're in big trouble.

 

[Biscuit]

Yes I've recently come accross it in the Sydney area and hearing about it steadily more and more accross the country. The gear I sampled was quite a distinct cloudy white colour, slightly unusally shaped, elongated crystals with a very strong acetone smell when crushed. It did seem a little wet too. This stuff was horrible to smoke. It turned into black oil and then tar very quickly and taste shocking, plus it leaves a headache. Don't think I'll bother with meth again if it's all going to be cut with this rubbish...who knows how bad it is for you.

The stuff I am almost certain was isopropylbenzylamine smoked very well. Like better than meth does ordinarily, because almost all meth any of us would see has some MSM in it. It definitely did not turn into a black oil or anything like that. Heaps and heaps of white smoke, no residue at all, but no CNS effects!

 

[andyturbo]

First pick looks a lot cleaner. What led you to that assumption? simular charactoristics when smoking? Or because both conainted this insoluble cutter?