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Higher purity crystal methamphetine

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rm2x said:
Just a heads up for people in Brisbane. Just got word there's gear floating around that's got Clenbuterol in it. Not sure if it's powder or crystal at this stage, will be finding out tomorrow and update...
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Gotta share something I just found funny....I (personally) had never heard of Clenbuterol (not suffering or knowing anyone who suffers from chronic asthma) so I wiki'd it out of interest. Under "contraindictions" someone had put

Hypersensitivity to the medicine
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Errr, is this not a given? lol. In what situation would one continue taking a drug for which they had a hypersensitivity to? Doesn't it by definition mean you're "too sensitive" to be taking that drug?

Tickled me anyway.

Also like to add, tossers! to whoever is selling you adulterated gear in Bris!

Mods, feel free to delete if you find it too off topic.
 
grugz said:
I dont see how thats a cutter, when overdose is about 150-200mg....but being a bronchal dilator, I can see how it might help breath breath in more smoke n absorb more, n make it seem hugher purity
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also increased blood pressure and oxygen transportation, so i'd assume heart rate increase also.
all that combined i could see it effecting the initial rush that you get.
 
Isopropylbenzylamine is definitely out there and it could become a major problem.

I am aware that people are passing off crystalline methylamphetamine that is predominately or even completely this substance.

Previously, when glucose or MSM was the only common cutting agents, the quality of "crystal meth" could be easily discerned from crushing a small sample and tasting it to see how bitter it was. Generally, the more bitter it was the greater the purity.

The problem with isopropylbenzylamine is that it TASTES BITTER and has a boiling point slightly higher than meth. So you can sit there chuffing away endlessly, thinking this is going to be the best pipe ever and then...wait for it...nothing. It is not psychoactive, end of story. God knows how dangerous it might be.

Its appearance is very similar to crystal meth shards and only a very trained eye could probably tell the difference. The crystals seem to be a fair bit softer than quality meth and do not take much crushing at all. An acetone wash will probably do jack shit.

The only good news is that it does not react with Marquis. Although like meth it reacts blue with Simons. If this stuff takes off like MSM has then everyone will need to test all gear with Marquis prior to purchasing it. A fast reaction to orange will mean it will hopefully be pretty decent. A slow reaction or no reaction at all, when all other things point to quality gear, means it is isopropylbenzylamine.
 
This makes last night a lot clearer, thanks Biscuit. I'm no connoisseur but I'm generally good at gauging with how and to an extent how much my gear is cut (by watching at which stage the gear starts to vapourise v. the cutter, or the taste, smell, how clean it looks/taste/smokes, etc. The usual ways) but last night did confuse me. And my mate who's been in the game a lot longer then me.

Thanks for the info Biscuit!
 
lol fark those shards look banger
sucks balls that a cutter can form such a good looking crystal
 
Biscuit said:
Isopropylbenzylamine is definitely out there and it could become a major problem.

I am aware that people are passing off crystalline methylamphetamine that is predominately or even completely this substance.

Previously, when glucose or MSM was the only common cutting agents, the quality of "crystal meth" could be easily discerned from crushing a small sample and tasting it to see how bitter it was. Generally, the more bitter it was the greater the purity.

The problem with isopropylbenzylamine is that it TASTES BITTER and has a boiling point slightly higher than meth. So you can sit there chuffing away endlessly, thinking this is going to be the best pipe ever and then...wait for it...nothing. It is not psychoactive, end of story. God knows how dangerous it might be.

Its appearance is very similar to crystal meth shards and only a very trained eye could probably tell the difference. The crystals seem to be a fair bit softer than quality meth and do not take much crushing at all. An acetone wash will probably do jack shit.

The only good news is that it does not react with Marquis. Although like meth it reacts blue with Simons. If this stuff takes off like MSM has then everyone will need to test all gear with Marquis prior to purchasing it. A fast reaction to orange will mean it will hopefully be pretty decent. A slow reaction or no reaction at all, when all other things point to quality gear, means it is isopropylbenzylamine.
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have you personally come across this (in Perth)? any idea of the hazzards of shootin this chemical? 8o8(8(
 
have you personally come across this (in Perth)? any idea of the hazzards of shootin this chemical?
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Yes, at least all indications point to this substance being involved.

No idea about the hazards and that is the problem. Given its molecular structure, it certainly would seem to be a less benign chemical than glucose, magnesium sulfate or MSM! You won't come across it in health food stores. Smoking is also a real concern. With MSM, a large proportion of it can be carefully boiled away first leaving the meth to be actually inhaled. With this stuff that is impossible as they boil at similar temperatures with the isopropyl being a little higher. So who knows what effect it has on the lungs as well.
 
So if u cant get in health food store where the hell do they get it, sounds much more expensive n harder to get? I mean msm can be bought dirt cheap off interwebs

Maybe I can sit outside thefront of the store n see if any shady lookimg character goes in n give him a gud beating lol
 
HMM sounds strange, never heard of that cut being used, or even the name of the cut. Anyway I'm here in the US and the main cuts for crystal(Ice) are MSM or Vita-blend B-12, available at "head shops" where pot pipes and bongs are sold. Mostly though the cuts are not blended in well with the shards of Ice and a trained eye can tell the difference normally..As for MSM and crystal being added while the meth is still forming and crystalizing together , that is something that some cooks do, but only add a 5 to 10% cut at the most, becasue Ice that is cut below 80% will not sell well in most areas, not at full prices anyway,which are pretty low, much lower than Austalian prices, we can get a gram for what I hear you guys pay for a 1/2 gram to a gram, and it is normally highly pure Ice..
A soaking of the Ice in ethanol, or best in Methyl Ethyl Ketone(an alcohol mixture available ar harware stores here) allows for the MSM, or other cuts to seperate from the meth and the solution is filtered through coffee filters or several layers of linen sheet material. The pure meth will go through the filter, while the cuts like MSM and so on, stay in the filter..This being said, some odd and rarely used cuts could still make it through the filtration process and recrystalize with the meth..This same method of using MEK or ethanol or some solvent of that nature is the easiest way to make powdered meth into crystals. Just soak and dissolve the powder/rocks of meth in the solvent, filter through and let the solution evaporate in a low humidity place and crystals form as the solvents dissolve..
 
Biscuit said:
Yes, at least all indications point to this substance being involved.

No idea about the hazards and that is the problem. Given its molecular structure, it certainly would seem to be a less benign chemical than glucose, magnesium sulfate or MSM! You won't come across it in health food stores. Smoking is also a real concern. With MSM, a large proportion of it can be carefully boiled away first leaving the meth to be actually inhaled. With this stuff that is impossible as they boil at similar temperatures with the isopropyl being a little higher. So who knows what effect it has on the lungs as well.
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farrrrk, I swear to god the gear ive been gettin latly has this cutter in it (If you say all indications point to it bein used in perth).. smokes up like regular gear, taste reeeaaal bitter, blows fat clouds, last for agesss BUT it doesnt re-crystalise in the pipe like it should and IMO, seems weak as fuck strength wise... even at room temperature (once the pipe cools off), it still has the 'oil' puddle appearance, ie. doesnt have the cracked glass appearance..

btw, it was realllly water soluable, left fuck all on the spoon like really good gear does but still seemed to lack that 'oomph'...

cheers for all the information but ay :)

DavisK4high247 said:
HMM sounds strange, never heard of that cut being used, or even the name of the cut. Anyway I'm here in the US and the main cuts for crystal(Ice) are MSM or Vita-blend B-12, available at "head shops" where pot pipes and bongs are sold. Mostly though the cuts are not blended in well with the shards of Ice and a trained eye can tell the difference normally..As for MSM and crystal being added while the meth is still forming and crystalizing together , that is something that some cooks do, but only add a 5 to 10% cut at the most, becasue Ice that is cut below 80% will not sell well in most areas, not at full prices anyway,which are pretty low, much lower than Austalian prices, we can get a gram for what I hear you guys pay for a 1/2 gram to a gram, and it is normally highly pure Ice..
A soaking of the Ice in ethanol, or best in Methyl Ethyl Ketone(an alcohol mixture available ar harware stores here) allows for the MSM, or other cuts to seperate from the meth and the solution is filtered through coffee filters or several layers of linen sheet material. The pure meth will go through the filter, while the cuts like MSM and so on, stay in the filter..This being said, some odd and rarely used cuts could still make it through the filtration process and recrystalize with the meth..This same method of using MEK or ethanol or some solvent of that nature is the easiest way to make powdered meth into crystals. Just soak and dissolve the powder/rocks of meth in the solvent, filter through and let the solution evaporate in a low humidity place and crystals form as the solvents dissolve..
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Always love readin your posts man, an interestin read every time (comparing our meth scene to the states) and very informative..
 
Just picked up some below par meth. Acetone washed a point(twice) and ended up with .07

FAAARRKING!
 
If that was all shard it would be considerd extreamly high purity in aus. I think the point he was making is that theres now cutters that arnt washing out with a simple aceton wash.
 
I was going to say that 70% is really good purity too but as maths isn't my strong point I thought I was missing something and didn't want to look stupid :o
 
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