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Hi all, I really need advice/help/information about rolling my next time.

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Basically, I rolled two nights in a row at Ultra two years ago. The second night I had a bad roll (definitely not the pills since I had taken the same ones the first night and I was fine. Had the best roll of my life ever :) ). I felt really cold, like I was going to throw up which I did later on in the hotel room, totally zoned out, an emotional roller coaster of complete joy to sadness/wanting to cry the next minute. It was maybe one of the most frightening experiences I've ever had in my life, especially with 50,000+ people I didn't know, in a foreign city, and completely lost from my friends because my phone died. A little note, I had not eaten or slept practically all three days. Stupid I know but it was my first festie.

I took a break from ecstasy for about 6 months after that. I then rolled again for Nocturnal Wonderland in Cali, a huge massive rave. Unfortunately, I had the same exact shitty roll! I also hadn't eaten or slept really that weekend. Similar circumstances.

The next month I went to Escape with friends and one of them had the same roll I did. Bad feelings, cold, wanting to just die. Of course, he hadn't eaten anything that day or slept too.

Each of these instances the pills were good. Other friends took the same ones and had the best rolls ever apparently. What I'm saying is, I'm 100% sure it wasn't the pills that were bunk.

Sorry for the long intro but the pattern seems to be that you need to eat. I realize that might be common sense and I realize how dumb I was.

Anyway, I'm rolling again for Nocturnal this year. I haven't done E for about 6 months now. I just want to make sure that if I eat enough and sleep, I'll be okay. I don't want another ATB set ruined rather than enhanced because of drugs.

Thanks everyone!
 
Hello reveries

Thanks for posting on bluelight. Welcome :)

Sounds like the pill you took at Ultra on the first night was a high dose clean pill. At a guess circu 150mG - 200mG MDMA. The problem then was the second night > Likely this is when an element of damage was done. Redosing is always a bad thing to do in terms of Harm Reduction. Particularly if you are taking high dose pills. I am assuming high dose from your description of night 1 being the best role of your life.

6 months later shitty roll. Pill quality good. No sleep no food.

Month later shitty roll. Pill quality good. No sleep no food.

The food and sleep certainly doesnt help but I cant help thinking you might have done a bit of serotonin transmission damage. The reason I think this is because you keep getting flat rolls from decent pills.

Dont worrey it repairs but it takes some effort and quite a long time time.

Personally in your positon I wouldnt take any E at the forthcoming ATB gig. I would choose an alternative either alcohol or straight. I would sustain from E for a year and evaluate from there.

I am worried from the symptoms you describe that by taking E right now you might be damaging and messing up ongoing repair work. Sounds like that second night at Ultra you ODed slightly.

Right now you need some suppliments, exercise and a regime to get you straight again. I can advise you how to achieve this if this is what you want to do.

I might be wrong. But if im not and you take more E at the ATB gig. If the roll goes flat again you are just going to keep setting the clock back in terms of full recovery.

Be under no illusions take high dose MDMA, then redose high dose MDMA the following day you are going to have done some damage.

How you now approach the management of this damage repair is up to you. but.. I strongly advise no drugs for a year particularly nothing that hits the serotonin network aka MDMA, MDEA, MDA, Piperazines ETC.

I hope this doesnt sound too drastic I just dont want you to hurt yourself further. A long term comedown could be a few pills away if you dont handle this right. long term comedowns are simply AWFUL your life becomes not worth living.

Take care my friend.

Futura..
 
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Hi Futura,

Thanks :). I actually just realized it's been a year since I've rolled which was last Nocturnal in September. Is a year enough?
 
I would say it probably is but..

It might not be..

To approach this I would advise some preloading techniques.

I like this one but blue light also has similiar links and advice.

http://www.rollinballzcrew.com/preload.shtml

Important you cannot afford to have a bunk pill. Use the EZ test Kit. Marquis minimum additional recommended.

Dont have any pre drinks ie alcohol. Reason because you need to be totally sober to evaluate your roll.

Take low dose approx 60mG. See how it feels. if you feel edgey in any way or any of the symptoms like before do not take any more.

For this first roll after a succession of bad ones I would cap the dose at 100mG no more. Regardless of how the roll was.

If roll is good. Wait 3 months evaluate again if the second role is good then at that point I would say you have recovered.

At no point take my word on this. Always test your gear, always evaluate your condition.

If these negateive roles persist you will have to stop MDMA maybe for life. But the jury is out for now.

Just so you know negative rolls from good pills are a very bad sign. Under no circumstances ever take higher doses to compensate. if the role isnt there accept it and take no more.

If you ignore this and binge again you could risk serious mental issues in the future. Very nasty side effects.

Same rules apply for looking after yourself and exercise. Live a healthy life respect your body. respect MDMA.

MDMA is a serious Neurotoxin this is not government hype anti "just say no nancy Reagan Bullshit" this is the Bluelight Reality check. Cut to the chase tell you exactly how it is.

I hope this helps.

Good luck.
 
I learned my lesson after that first bad roll. I took more to compensate like you said which completely fucked me over. I'm scared that the same thing might happen again so I'm definitely not going to binge on pills.

I only plan on taking one pill anyway. After a year, I figure one will be plenty. And yes, it will be tested :).

I don't roll as much as I used to which is a good thing. I don't plan on rolling again until EDC in June (if all goes well this time around that is), cutting down my roll to once or none a year.

I exercise everyday and eat healthy foods; my health is pretty much tip top. Thank you again.
 
I learned my lesson after that first bad roll. I took more to compensate like you said which completely fucked me over. I'm scared that the same thing might happen again so I'm definitely not going to binge on pills.
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That lesson in the long run has actually done you a big favour really. It has made you realise that the innocent "happy" pills actually have a very dark side ;) The ones who dont learn this lesson such as myself pay the price later in life (very heavily)

I only plan on taking one pill anyway. After a year, I figure one will be plenty. And yes, it will be tested .
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Good news. We agree then this is your best option for Harm Reduction. Try and figure out the approx dose of the pill. Use several test methods and look very carefully for adulterants. The formation of the MDMA (purple) puddle tells you lot more than what the test kit manufacturer tells you in the instructions.

I don't roll as much as I used to which is a good thing.
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With your current history of events this is ESSENTIAL. Otherwise you risk losing or not achieving your dreams and ambitions.

I don't plan on rolling again until EDC in June (if all goes well this time around that is), cutting down my roll to once or none a year.
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You have totally grasped the message here. Smart move.

I exercise everyday and eat healthy foods; my health is pretty much tip top.
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Excellent news. If for any reason this next roll doesnt go so well you might have to look into some supps such as Piracetam, Lithium, Omega 3, Cocoa, Ginkgo etc.

No harm in considering any of these supps anyway. Also dont forget to pre load before the show.

Obviously dont follow your previous patterns of no sleep and no food. During the roll follow the daily water intake rules no more no less.

Food before the roll avoid sugar. Keep the meals light but nutritional. Avoid alcohol and cigarettes.

Start the dose low and work up. Dont start high and find your self stood alone, disorientated, lost and confused in the rave crying and saying WTF.

I think you will have to accept this roll will have to be less on the wild side than previous :D Hopefully enjoyable despite all the caution.

Thank you again.
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Welcome anytime. You have clearly got the Bluelight message loud and clear reveries enjoy the music, enjoy the drugs and live for another beautiful day. :) :)

Keep us posted on your thread how you get on.

Take care my friend.
 
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