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kiely said:
Oh thank you.


7-OH is strong from what I have been gathering. I appreciate you.

Actually .... Um I really am afraid to take them. But have been considering them because of pain.

The benzo's actually help my pain, if you can believe it. But I try to help myself however I can.

They actually help me move more .... but not as much as a Norco would.

Anyway, thank you for helping me feel safe. And less terrified. Seriously for real.


Thanks so much for you post. Again. 💖

Very Nice of You.

from @kiely Take Care.


I can't wait to try them though. But for now the benzo's are getting me through. Help me out.

Oh ...... And I am glad that I have them ... but am a little worried that they were going to become illegal.


So far the source is stable though. hahaaa.


And thanks I definitely will start out at a low dose. <3👍
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You're welcome. I understand why you would be afraid to try them. There isn't a lot of accurate info/hard data out there about kratom alkaloids yet as MUCH research is still needed. I'm just saying this has been my experience and I believe done as safely as possible. When I asked a doctor, they wouldn't even explain what it is or what it does, but Rx's opiates which are already KNOWN to be harmful and they still Rx those... I also believe benzos can be an effective pain relief option, so no need to feel weird about that. Just don't mix them! :)

I'm also afraid of potential bans or restrictions, but I think pseudo is less in danger of becoming unavailable than kratom and 7-OH. It's much lesser known, so maybe I should shut up about it... LOL!
 
516CAZ said:
You're welcome. I understand why you would be afraid to try them. There isn't a lot of accurate info/hard data out there about kratom alkaloids yet as MUCH research is still needed. I'm just saying this has been my experience and I believe done as safely as possible. When I asked a doctor, they wouldn't even explain what it is or what it does, but Rx's opiates which are already KNOWN to be harmful and they still Rx those... I also believe benzos can be an effective pain relief option, so no need to feel weird about that. Just don't mix them! :)

I'm also afraid of potential bans or restrictions, but I think pseudo is less in danger of becoming unavailable than kratom and 7-OH. It's much lesser known, so maybe I should shut up about it... LOL!
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Yes indeed. Plus, I'm afraid because it is 7-OH ;);)😎


Its so new. But it is some crazy extract !!

I knknow it's strong. I actually feel safer with Norco.


I always trusted it. But I did too much ... because I really didn't know any better. 👍
 
516CAZ said:
The 2 pseudo brands that have worked for me are Hydroxie and Kama. Though I do hate the taste of both of them lol... I honestly think I could completely switch from opiates to pseudo. Considering it!

*HUGS*
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Even if you’re not using your opiates now … store, stock and save them for when you need them later. Lol sorry I’m not meaning to tell you what to do. Also I went with the Hydroxie brand pseudo for a bit myself. The sublingual films felt very different than the tablets of those for some reason (a bit better for a while) but I believe those were worse withdrawals once they turned on me. The other ones were small batch vendors.

Either way I truly wish the best for your journey whichever way you take it. Again hope that made sense (stupid migraine flares have me thinking foggy).
Big hug 💜
 
lost weekend said:
I always found white strains easier to taper from just because of the energy boost.it always seemed to give me a get up and go at least .I'm no expert on kratom so not sure how many strains there really are ,certinaly not as much as advertised
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I feel like white strains give energy boost too. Some people say different color veins and strains aren’t different for them. But I don’t know for me, the white I barely use because it gives me such an energy boost. I know it’s not in my head too because there’s times I’ve taken white vein capsules and not realized it till later because I felt so hyper like I drank a bunch of coffee. I went later to double check the bag I took from because I felt so much energy, and realized I took a white strain accidentally instead of red and that’s why I felt soo much energy lol.
 
AngelsandFairiesarereal said:
Even if you’re not using your opiates now … store, stock and save them for when you need them later. Lol sorry I’m not meaning to tell you what to do. Also I went with the Hydroxie brand pseudo for a bit myself. The sublingual films felt very different than the tablets of those for some reason (a bit better for a while) but I believe those were worse withdrawals once they turned on me. The other ones were small batch vendors.

Either way I truly wish the best for your journey whichever way you take it. Again hope that made sense (stupid migraine flares have me thinking foggy).
Big hug 💜
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Yeah, I was going to suggest the same thing. The rx opis will give you a backup in case the kratom things stop working so well. In case you need to take tolerance breaks. At least it seems that way to me. Plus, they are talking about making 7-oh illegal, who knows, maybe they'll do the same with the pseudo.
 
AngelsandFairiesarereal said:
Oh wow yea benzos help my pain sometimes too. For some reason clonazepam the most
Hugs 💜
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Yeh it was the same for me I had a love affair with clonozopam, I used to bight half a 2mg pill let it melt under my tounge, lay down watching the simpsons[season 1 to 9]
And gently fall asleep for a couple of hours and wake up with a lovely benzo feeling ,with no worries in my head .even with a super high tolerance 1mg could send me to sleep .
 
Just over 1 year experience with kratom alkaloids, but I had used OPMS Gold capsules occasionally in previous years.
The capsules never did much for me.
Pseudoindoxyl aka pseudo does seem to be a little more effective for pain relief and relaxing vs boost of energy.
EVERY time I've gone to kratom alkaloid tabs they have completely replaced my regular Rx meds, that may be why at first I had 4-6 hours per tablet of relief,
BUT
PLEASE beware that the tolerance can surprise you, how suddenly it happens, and once I was aware, my only attempts to cut back or completely stop taking kratom alkaloid tabs by switching back to Rx meds left me finding the oxy IR and morphine ER very very ineffective without taking more than prescribed.
 
Biomed Tech Guy said:
Just over 1 year experience with kratom alkaloids, but I had used OPMS Gold capsules occasionally in previous years.
The capsules never did much for me.
Pseudoindoxyl aka pseudo does seem to be a little more effective for pain relief and relaxing vs boost of energy.
EVERY time I've gone to kratom alkaloid tabs they have completely replaced my regular Rx meds, that may be why at first I had 4-6 hours per tablet of relief,
BUT
PLEASE beware that the tolerance can surprise you, how suddenly it happens, and once I was aware, my only attempts to cut back or completely stop taking kratom alkaloid tabs by switching back to Rx meds left me finding the oxy IR and morphine ER very very ineffective without taking more than prescribed.
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I hope that doesn't happen, but I am monitoring closely.
 
Biomed Tech Guy said:
Just over 1 year experience with kratom alkaloids, but I had used OPMS Gold capsules occasionally in previous years.
The capsules never did much for me.
Pseudoindoxyl aka pseudo does seem to be a little more effective for pain relief and relaxing vs boost of energy.
EVERY time I've gone to kratom alkaloid tabs they have completely replaced my regular Rx meds, that may be why at first I had 4-6 hours per tablet of relief,
BUT
PLEASE beware that the tolerance can surprise you, how suddenly it happens, and once I was aware, my only attempts to cut back or completely stop taking kratom alkaloid tabs by switching back to Rx meds left me finding the oxy IR and morphine ER very very ineffective without taking more than prescribed.
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Once I heard about these tabs I told my friend and he decided to make a simple extract with lemon juice and powder ,filtered it twice with cold water leaving it for 2 hours each time then slowly reducing the liquid until like a shot glass of syrup.he says it just makes him feel really tired straight away.
 
lost weekend said:
Once I heard about these tabs I told my friend and he decided to make a simple extract with lemon juice and powder ,filtered it twice with cold water leaving it for 2 hours each time then slowly reducing the liquid until like a shot glass of syrup.he says it just makes him feel really tired straight away.
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He made that with 7-OH powder?
 
lost weekend said:
No just normal stuff ,but he says it's horrible makes him feel nauseous and tired straight away.its just a reduction I suppose
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I think it is just a huge dose of kratom at once ,he used about 25 grams and about 500ml of water he then put half the mixture in the oven till it reduced to a shot glass ,he said it Was unbelievable bitter and 10 mins later he felt rotten and fell asleep.
 
lost weekend said:
I think it is just a huge dose of kratom at once ,he used about 25 grams and about 500ml of water he then put half the mixture in the oven till it reduced to a shot glass ,he said it Was unbelievable bitter and 10 mins later he felt rotten and fell asleep.
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I've never heard of that method...
 
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