Yeah man... you are at the very edge of beginning a really debilitating cycle of using, sickness, getting clean, using, sickness, getting clean. Throw ruined relationships/finances/legal matters in there and you have a full blown habit!
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Heroin Withdrawal...
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My story is pretty much the same as the OP's, only I was addicted after about a week of smoking tiny low grade doses twice a day. Every morning when I woke up I felt nauseous until I had my fix. Four weeks later and I'm going through horrible withdrawals - you really can't underestimate the physical addictiveness of this drug. I'm not even going near codeine to ease the symptoms, I have to give my body a break from opiates for a while.
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Yeah the insomnia is probably the worst part. And opiate withdrawls always get so much worse at night when trying to sleep. It totally drains you out of any energy. Benzos don't ease my insominia at all even when taking huge doses. They might calm your mind a bit but the WD's usually win. If you want to sleep i'd suggest trying quetiapine which typically drops pretty much everybody into sleep if taken correct amount.
Sepher
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GarageFlower, at the risk of being completely redundant they absolutely are physical withdrawals, but what you're experiencing now is only a fraction of what you'll feel next time if you continue to use. They get worse over time, and get worse every time you detox only to start another cycle of addiction. It's called kindling, and though I can't explain the mechanism it is true for many users that each time they go through withdrawal again the symptoms are worse than the time before.
It's also pretty likely that having now established a proper physical dependency, even if you complete the withdrawal, you will become re-addicted in a matter of days the next time you start using, not weeks, because you've taught your brain what to do. There seem to be semi-permanent changes to the brain, whether that's number of receptors or receptor sensitivity I do not know, but I do know it takes a very long time to come back to something like base levels before you started using. I wouldn't trust myself with opiates at all any more, and I'm ten years clean FFS.
You will have to be very careful indeed if you decide you're gonna try to manage recreational use more carefully next time round, cos it will be so much harder for you now to do that successfully. Seriously, you've had a taste now and didn't much like it. Kick it into touch while you still can.
It's also pretty likely that having now established a proper physical dependency, even if you complete the withdrawal, you will become re-addicted in a matter of days the next time you start using, not weeks, because you've taught your brain what to do. There seem to be semi-permanent changes to the brain, whether that's number of receptors or receptor sensitivity I do not know, but I do know it takes a very long time to come back to something like base levels before you started using. I wouldn't trust myself with opiates at all any more, and I'm ten years clean FFS.
You will have to be very careful indeed if you decide you're gonna try to manage recreational use more carefully next time round, cos it will be so much harder for you now to do that successfully. Seriously, you've had a taste now and didn't much like it. Kick it into touch while you still can.
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InterzoneAgent
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Yes, and aside from getting physically addicted faster after every detox, you might probably develop somewhat permanent/long lasting tolerance so you'll still need bigger doses after you have gone through WD and stayed clean for long time, than when first time using. In no case, after you have gone through the WD's, you must not take as big doses as at the end of your last period of using before WD'ing. That's a pretty common way to end up dead. Pretty common knowledge i suppose, but had to mention.
What i mean is that i can't really get high nowdays at all off buprenorfine even when taking 2mg or so doses after being clean/only occasionally using for months. Never have used very much buprenorfine anyways and it has never really been that great for me but definitely better in the past than last times. Don't know what the reason for this is, but the same thing has happened with other opiates too, only with smaller degree.
And that getting rehooked rapidly thing nowdays sucks hard. Even if i drink poppy tea for maybe only 3 following evenings, i'll be having some WD's (pretty minor though, but that doesn't make you feel any better at that moment)
Stop using as soon as you feel the first signs of WD develepoing. Although not many people do so in reality even if that's their plan (including me).
Sepher
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Mareseatoats said:
The physical withdrawals are as nothing when compared to what your brain will do to you when it's not slept for a week, two weeks, three weeks. Methadone users will tell you they didn't sleep for months when they came off, and most people won't believe them. If I was to tell you I went 21 days or more without sleeping most would probably say 'Ah Sepher, you must have nodded off at some point? It's not physically possible to go that long?' and I'll be like 'Well, you may say that, but you've clearly never come off a long-term Heroin habit then, have you?' It's the not sleeping that's the killer. I don't ever want to experieince what my brain did to me last time out. It produces physical symptoms all by itself that are somewhat akin to Heroin withdrawal, mixed with a massive amphetamine comedown delusion. Some put it down to PAWS, but really it's just your brain turning itself inside out cos it's desperate for sleep.
p.s. Mareseatoats? Been dying to sing this ever since I first saw yer user name: Oh! Mairzy doats and dozy doats and liddle lamzy divey. A kiddley divey too, wouldn't you-oooooooo?
p.p.s. GarageFlower? You've gone quiet? You should be well out of the worst and feeling pretty good by now, so long as you didn't use? Peak is day 3, days 4 and 5 you should have improved rapidly, so long as you didn't use? Please tell us you didn't use?
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mareseatoats
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Ha Sepher-just seeing your message-Grandmom always sang that Maresearoats song to me when I was little, and
She thought it was so funny; I could never forget it-that little tune means alot to me
thanks for appreciating my name, and singing us a song!!
She thought it was so funny; I could never forget it-that little tune means alot to me
thanks for appreciating my name, and singing us a song!!
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Ohayou
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It seems to me that as good as you feel while on opiates (or any "buzz" drug for that matter), that is exactly how bad you will feel when you going into withdrawal. This has been my observation anyway. Unfortunately, the withdrawal seems to last longer than the high(s).
Thats a GREAT way to look at it and very true. What goes up must come down.