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Opioids HEROIN VS MORPHINE IV DOSE QUESTIONS and oxy?

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dark_one

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I am a normal heroin user who uses west coast mexican black tar

when i do a shot I do .130-.200 aka 130mg-200mg keep in mind this stuff is far from pure, I do about 3-4 shots a day

I was going to switch to morphine sulfate how much morphine should i use around when I first IV' this stuff, what would be a comparable dose?

i was wondering with oxycodone also how much of that he should do,


along with that is methadone 10mg pills worth slamming?

I'm new here (and) this is my opening post, can someone with experience with black tar heroin and ms contin or morphine sulfate or maybe oxy and methadone chime in and give me some good ideas I can check out

thanks.
 
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No swimming.............

Welcome to Bluelight.

What form of morphine are you using?

Assuming your tar is 50% pure the 200 mg of dope equals 1.5 to 2 times as much morphine. So divide 200 by two and multiply by 1.5 or 2 for your high and low estimates...

Start lower than that number and work your way up to it to find where you are in tolerance...

Methadone has no rush... Take it orally. It is very strong and I advise you not take both at the same time without taking the methadone first to see how it effects you.
 
^and waiting an appropriate amount of time for the methadone to kick in. Never had it, but as I understand it, it has a long come up and super long half life.
 
I assume the answer is yes, but want to ask anyways to satisfy my curiosity. in these threads where the OP is going for a swim, does the moderator come in and change the post to 'swim' from my friend/my girlfriend/ my roommate/ my baby mama's boyfriend's mother's cousin's neighbor's uncle's sister's boss' friend, or to whomever the OP is pawning off his actions on?
 
dankJ said:
I assume the answer is yes, but want to ask anyways to satisfy my curiosity. in these threads where the OP is going for a swim, does the moderator come in and change the post to 'swim' from my friend/my girlfriend/ my roommate/ my baby mama's boyfriend's mother's cousin's neighbor's uncle's sister's boss' friend, or to whomever the OP is pawning off his actions on?
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Yes beacause no such statement protects you under law. Your IP address is not as random as the people around you using drugs claim to be...LOL
 
dankJ said:
I assume the answer is yes, but want to ask anyways to satisfy my curiosity. in these threads where the OP is going for a swim, does the moderator come in and change the post to 'swim' from my friend/my girlfriend/ my roommate/ my baby mama's boyfriend's mother's cousin's neighbor's uncle's sister's boss' friend, or to whomever the OP is pawning off his actions on?
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The posts you see using "swim" were written by the OP. If a moderator comes and changes anything, we would change it to "I", because using "swim" or "my cats friend" or any of that other crap is not allowed on BL. Read the BLUA for more.

It is used because new posters incorrectly think it gives them some kind of protection. It does not. So just you "I" when you post. Anything else is just incredibly annoying to read.


To the OP's post, chances are you are going to be disappointed if you switch to any of those drugs you mentioned from heroin. Morphine is a lot weaker than heroin, methadone has no rush for most people, and oxy also has no rush when IV'ed, just instant onset.
 
and for oxycodone what would a dose comparable to 50% pure 130-200mg of mexican black tar be?

and if i understand the math right (please correct me if im wrong)
the morphine doses should range between 97mg 112mg to 150mg for IV use? if i understand that right if the person is doing .130-.150-.200 shots IV use 3-4 times a day?

thanks guys
 
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dark_one said:
and for oxycodone what would a dose comparable to 50% pure 130-200mg of mexican black tar be?
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IMO Mexican tar purity varies so much it's hard to compare it to other opiates. The best thing to do is dose lower than what you think is the equivilant.

And thanks for not letting the thread derailers mess with your mojo!
 
well lets say it is 50% just for an example how much oxycodone would doses be if your doing mexican black tar in 130-150-200mg?

and thanks.

well just a theoretical answer from someone that has used those 2 or all 3... of course the person in question is not just going to load up 120mg of morphine and blast it without starting low and working up, just want a general idea so if someone can please answer the questions on the oxycodone and any more imput on the morphine would be greatful as well,


thanks everyone
 
You really don't want to slam 120 mgs in shot. Ive done it with a 3cc rig and got it all in there. I almost fell out. The pins and needles were a bit much. Ive done some really good smack in my day, but morphine is what I got hooked on.

I usually got a good shot of about half that were I would end up falling asleep for a bit. That was with a 3 cc rig though. I should tell you that even there I was pushing it and had a nasty habit. I had a friend who used smack everyday who would do 30s in two shots with a 1cc and get right. So proceed with caution.

Be sure to add some Benadryl or your feet and palms will itch and burn and youll get hives for like 15 minutes but they go away.

PM me if you need anymore info.
 
Heroin is 1.5-3 x stronger than Morphine. However, like you (op) mentioned, there isn't really any good way to know how pure the heroin your using is, so finding an equivalent dose of Morphine would be pretty difficult. You'd probably want to start off low and just raise your dosage slowly until you feel the desired effects.

When it comes to comparing IV Oxycodone and IV Morphine, Morphine should be stronger for sure (I always found IV Oxycodone to be a let down, due to the lack of rush. Not to mention, here in NY, one bag of heroin is far cheaper and stronger than 30mg of IR oxycodone).

Methadone is a VERY potent Opioid, with a high binding affinity and a long half life as well. However, it is NOT a drug that should be injected. Believe me, I've tried it multiple times, and its always left me dissapointed. In fact, I've often felt as though I wasted it when I injected Methadone as well. There is a very small rush, which depends on how thin you are, and how much methadone you are injecting at a time, but unlike other drugs that are injected intravenously, Methadone does not peak within the first few minutes. Don't get me wrong, the relief hits you instantly, but it still takes about thirty minutes to really 'feel' the stuff. If you don't want to take it orally, take it rectally. It hits you within five or ten minutes and peaks soon after, and it also lasts as long as oral administration.

Your best bet at recreating the IV heroin experience is to use Morphine. Oxycodone is just a very different opiate IMO, and while Methadone can cause effects that feel similar to Heroin when taken orally or rectally, it wont when injected.
 
I would agree with znegative on a few things. IV morphine is much better than IV oxy. Its also a lot more like heroin too. That being said its pretty strong and you should start small and work your way up. IV morphine has been my DOC because of availability and its affintity to smack. I really like morphine tbph. It can be pretty strong and as I said before it fucked up a friend of mine who was a heavy heroin user and he got good dope. He seemed to really like it. I personally don't see what the big deal about oxy is. Its ok at first but your tolerance sky rockets and you really cant ever do enough.
 
so should one get the 100mg abg's and break them in half for starters and see how that goes with a shot?


because Mr.Scagnattie said id prolly be pretty good off 60mg of it so 50 should get a good idea correct?

and with oxy what dose should one start at then work my way up? do you guys think 2x 30mg roxycodones would do the job? or would one need 3? of couse one would start at trying 2 30mg roxys at first over here
 
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