Heroin VS fentanyl withdrawal

[BadassMoFo]

agreed...but this not fits in ma place.....cannabis here is very often laced with synthetic canabinoids spray,laced with ketamine,laced with metamphetamine liquid(i guess base form)...so u never sure is this pure canabis or not....in other words cannabis is dead here....u can be sure only if u pick up from the ground something with ur bear hands......or to relly on pharma products

No need for specifics, so just the country is fine but where are you that this is happening?

I've heard if this but have never seen it here in the US and living in a state where it's fully legal, it's definitely not happening here or in any other state where it is legal or at least I wouldn't see why it would be because the value of cannabis in my state is ridiculous so there would be no demand for the crap you describe unless people were seeking what the adulterant is.

You could easily detect if any cannabis was adulterated with a simple jewelry loop of microscope because if you know what to look for and how the trichomes should look, you would see whatever was spayed on it or at least I'm sure I could. I've never really purchased cannabis and always produced my own so if this is actually happening wherever you are, someone needs to start producing the real stuff again because the stuf you describe is no longer wanted.

 

[floatingaround]

Every 4-6 hours is what I think of when I think of dosing regimens for drugs like morphine or hydrocodone or oxycodone (probably is the same for the morphones too I imagine,) but I don't see that as a "bad habit" per se... Just a habit like any other... Now, if you're running through multiple grams a day... that's another story, but 100mg a day habit or something isn't really outrageous... Just not going to be easy to quit for most people.

I'm a bit odd and have been "addicted" to opiates and just quit them when I so please...
I control my use very well...
I literally remember trying to get addicted to opium just to see what it felt like, did it then quit just to know what it was like at one point lmao
Tried heroin IV and didn't see the big deal... Did 100mg over the course of a day as a fucking child man... Just made me itchy and a bit sedated, but mind you I regularly used opiates back then too, so I knew what to expect and I spaced my doses out a lot too... Meh...

Idk man... everyone's different... Opiates are great for pain, but I don't get the whole "being an addict" thing... get me?

You just didn't use it enough, plain and simple

 

[ShulginsReincarnation]

You just didn't use it enough, plain and simple

Well, yeah, why would I? That's how you get chemically dependent on a substance. Makes no sense to do that especially when all it does is relieve pain a little bit, does it?

That was my whole point. I don't see opiates as addictive. They are extremely easy to put down even with extended use. You just have to tell yourself no more, and its really as easy as that... I don't get all this whining and crying about detoxing and wds and shit... Man up...

Maybe I am just not cut out to be a dope fiend? idfk...

 

[Nas47]

Wow, that's really fucked up.Why is that? Is it because it's hard to get good quality cannabis in general where you live so dealers adulterate it? Cannabis is so good and common by itself here that it isn't necessary to add anything. Where do you live? I got the impression you were in Eastern Europe somewhere.
Many years ago when I was young, it was harder to get cannabis where I lived and they used to lace it with PCP sometimes.

Balkans...They adulterated for profit i guess...meth is cheap here,ketamin is cheap,synhtetic canabinoids are cheap too....putting some of this in herb...well the man quicky will come back for more..when i was still active smoker got once time weed....well smoke and for my surprise i did not get lazy and relax,but extremely active...workin' all day in the yard without any rest....and grindin' teeth hahhaha....sounds simmilar to something yes?...and the weed was wet,but not wet like not good dried,but something like been sprayed on it...ofcourse u can find a good weed too-indoor,outdoor-without adulterants....but man..this became luxurious thing-the prices are European and 500euro month salary is good salary....what to buy first-food,pay bills,buy fuel?....so weed more or less became atribute to wealthy somekind...in the same time the law is harsh upon any drug including weed......consumption here is criminalized....not only possession,distribution...etc....so organized crime plays here...if u are solo in this busyness u would finished very bad

 

[nodgod]

With the development of apps like telegram, in America at least it’s all at our finger tips. But usually we just go to the shops, and if our state doesn’t have it one close by does. That’s a horrible reality to live in where the cannabis is laced like that. I recommend ordering some seeds from a reliable seed bank like Barney’s farm or something like that and growing it yourself if it’s that prevalent of a problem. Until it produces flower u can always try to seek out medical marijuana from a third party through telegram and other things like that. Patience is a virtue, and learning how to grow quality cannabis is a skill you won’t soon regret. Plenty of free information available online but a good start would be Jorge Cervantes Grow Bible

 

[BadassMoFo]

Balkans

Thanks as you answered my questions as well. Sorry to hear of the situation over there and to see that this bullshit synthetic epidemic is everywhere with unique situations and new dangerous drugs to look out for. Scary times indeed!

I started growing my own long before it was legal and in a state that had the harshest laws and enforcement and have never been caught. Two places I did it where no one will believe, my college dorm room and later while sharing and 4 bed apartment with 3 other people and in the apartment none of the roommates ever knew. It can definitely be done anywhere but you literally can't tell ANYONE and you have to utilize all of the available methods to keep things hidden and these days there are far more products to accomplish this then their were in the 80's. If you only need it for personal use it will take very little space and can easily be hidden from anyone and the one thing that is responsible for it not staying hidden is the mouth.

Be safe out there with all those adulterants and be sure to test everything you can and hope you not in a country where the idiots make tests illegal!

 

[Adazolam]

Hello all. I've attempted to dig for some of this info but am looking for some first hand accounts.

I'm an on and off IV fentanyl and crak/ IV cocaine addict. Some periods have been worse than others but I've largely remained a functioning contributing member of society.

I was born in the 90's and first used "dope/boy" around 2013. I believe this was already well into the fentanyl era but I suspect that it hadn't quite driven out all the real heroin. I think we were getting real heroin cut with fentanyl.

Fast forward to now. The quality of street dope, even with longtime established dealers, is abysmal. Everything is fentanyl. The one time in. My life I found real heroin, it was BTH. Got excited and spent all my dope money on it. Got me euphoric and high as a kite but 6 hours or so from my last dose of fent, started getting sick, even with the heroin. So had to go find more fentanyl too.

I'm clean now and as I've gotten older have lost the drive for the crack or IV Coke CHASE which imo was an even more vicious and time consuming habit than is an opiate addiction.

I now have access locally to real china white heroin that tests fent free. Real junk seems to be making a resurgence.

Since I never was legitimately a heroin addict and am of the new age fenty era. My question is, how does a fentanyl withdrawal differ from a heroin withdrawal. And how long can I go between IV dosing real CW heroin if addicted. With the fenty we needed to be constanly on the move thinking about our next hit after taking our last one. I could go about 6 hours before starting to get decently I'll. Due to a hospital visit, I once went about 14 hours and was VIOLENTLY ill. If you sleep well all the way thru the night, you wake up decently sick and better have some close by.

I'VE detoxed roughly 7 or 8 times and oddly enough the detox seems to be wildly different each time, regardless of how strong my habit is. I remember getting restless. Legs and abs and headaches and the sensitivity to noise back in the day. With the fenty I'll just get super violently Ill in all ways imaginable, or have flu like symptoms and diarrhea at the very least. Though each detox has had different feels and symptoms. I assume cause it was never actually the same chemical I was using.

Went on a bit of a ramble there but my questions are these. How does a fentanyl withdrawal compare to a normal a heroin withdrawal. And how long can IV heroin addicts go between dosing. How long would you prefer? And the how long until you start actually getting sick?

Thanks ahead of time, any insight appreciated.

I’m gonna to second with the first reply, don’t do any of it. You got both the highs great; because what comes after that is you will be chasing that feelong for the rest of your life, and I PROMISE you your life will get shitier n shitier until you either wind up in jail, a institution or death guaranteed my man. To answer your question fentanyl kick is 10x worst it’s not just the horrible physical sickness vomiting, cold sweats, body aching head aches, cramping, no sleep I’ve kicked on H where I vomited for 9 straight days, the first 6 was every 20 min whether it was just drive heaves and vile. But I got all that with fentanyl withdrawal but with me feeling like I was losing my mind. I was hallucinating, I couldn’t get up to vomit, so my girlfriend put me in the back half room we half and would half to change my pillows and towels every so hour or so. Never have I experienced the anxiety and the depression that would set in a couple days later; I was an emotional wreck. Another time I wanted to hurt myself or somebody, you know when they ask you that, well with drawing the last time on fet I wanted to tell hospital yes, but they will 5150 you. It’s a whole nother level my friend and I would take a Xanax- wouldn’t help, cause all that is in the street fentanyl so your not just kicking fentanyl your kicking like 8 different things they out in the stuff- it’s the worst. I’m still addicted, I lost my girlfriend, the house we were renting I’ve spent over 40k in the 4 years I’ve been doing it. You know the craziest part- the high is not even that good! There so much bunk fentanyl out there, least with H you knew the high you we’re getting and it was good. I’m doing cause I’m scared to kick. But I’m going in on April 2 my birthday to detox and the. Sober living cause I never thought my life could get this bleed, I’ve almost lost everything, my family has a little bit of hope in me and I’ll take it. If anyone out there is going what I’m going thru, don’t be afraid to drop a line, or even a prayer. This stuff is the devil, and I’m preparing to go thru hell and beat him. God bless everyone. One love.

Hello all. I've attempted to dig for some of this info but am looking for some first hand accounts.

I'm an on and off IV fentanyl and crak/ IV cocaine addict. Some periods have been worse than others but I've largely remained a functioning contributing member of society.

I was born in the 90's and first used "dope/boy" around 2013. I believe this was already well into the fentanyl era but I suspect that it hadn't quite driven out all the real heroin. I think we were getting real heroin cut with fentanyl.

Fast forward to now. The quality of street dope, even with longtime established dealers, is abysmal. Everything is fentanyl. The one time in. My life I found real heroin, it was BTH. Got excited and spent all my dope money on it. Got me euphoric and high as a kite but 6 hours or so from my last dose of fent, started getting sick, even with the heroin. So had to go find more fentanyl too.

I'm clean now and as I've gotten older have lost the drive for the crack or IV Coke CHASE which imo was an even more vicious and time consuming habit than is an opiate addiction.

I now have access locally to real china white heroin that tests fent free. Real junk seems to be making a resurgence.

Since I never was legitimately a heroin addict and am of the new age fenty era. My question is, how does a fentanyl withdrawal differ from a heroin withdrawal. And how long can I go between IV dosing real CW heroin if addicted. With the fenty we needed to be constanly on the move thinking about our next hit after taking our last one. I could go about 6 hours before starting to get decently I'll. Due to a hospital visit, I once went about 14 hours and was VIOLENTLY ill. If you sleep well all the way thru the night, you wake up decently sick and better have some close by.

I'VE detoxed roughly 7 or 8 times and oddly enough the detox seems to be wildly different each time, regardless of how strong my habit is. I remember getting restless. Legs and abs and headaches and the sensitivity to noise back in the day. With the fenty I'll just get super violently Ill in all ways imaginable, or have flu like symptoms and diarrhea at the very least. Though each detox has had different feels and symptoms. I assume cause it was never actually the same chemical I was using.

Went on a bit of a ramble there but my questions are these. How does a fentanyl withdrawal compare to a normal a heroin withdrawal. And how long can IV heroin addicts go between dosing. How long would you prefer? And the how long until you start actually getting sick?

Thanks ahead of time, any insight appreciated.

 

[xyz69]

Fent and its analogues are total crap as a high and recreational substance (leaving out all the problems of dosages related to its potency)
But there's NOTHING euphoric about them. Zero. You move from a conscious to an unconscious state. No fun.
And very far from h, hydromorphone or morphine.
The only usefulness I see in chronic pain with the patch mode and therapeutic dosage. Or to reduce abstinence from h or other opioids (always with low dosages)

 

[Keif' Richards]

Fentanyl is a shorter-acting Opioid when compared to Heroin. For instance, Heroin users would most commonly consume three doses per day, spread out evenly. Fentanyl users will dose 5-6 times per day to feel totally comfortable.

The shorter duration of action is reflected in both the effects of the drug and the timeframe of withdrawal. This means that Fentanyl withdrawal will come on more quickly, thus being perceived as a more potent withdrawal syndrome. On the flip side, this means that the withdrawal syndrome, albeit quite powerful, will also resolve more quickly than withdrawal from Heroin.

Xylazine is a veterinary sedative analogous to Clonidine (Catapres) with concurrently similar effects. The primary effects of these drugs are the lowering of blood pressure (hypotension). This creates a sense of sedation. Due to the psychosomatic loop, the reduction in blood pressure results in feelings of reduced tension/stress. Low doses work well as anxiolytics and hypnotics while higher doses can lead to total stupor, especially when combined with other sedative substances like Opioids.

Neither of these two drugs are considered to be "addictive" or "abusable". They are not truly psychoactive drugs, though reduction of stress/tension is a notable secondary effect. However, they are like other substances we are familiar with in that tolerance, dependence and withdrawal are all well-known phenomena. A person who is dependent upon a substance like Xylazine and/or Clonidine requires a taper to et off.

Abrupt withdrawal of Xylazine and/or Clonidine in a dependent individual will produce intensely negative symptoms as a result of the sudden spike in blood pressure. The aforementioned psychosomatic loop triggers a state of severe anxiety in which one feels their heart pounding like it is going to pop out, excessive sweating, fidgeting and trembling.

Fentanyl withdrawal is already an absolute monster for people to overcome. When you factor in the withdrawal from Xylazine, you have a recipe for an extreme state of misery. Now the person is sick from Opioids and also dealing with a mild hypertensive crisis. It's a real bitch.

For the record, when people come to me now asking about withdrawing from Tranq I make sure to throw in the bit about Xylazine and Clonidine. This way a person could feasibly continue taking Clonidine while withdrawing from the Fentanyl. Once they are through that part, they can then tackle the issue of withdrawing from Xylazine.

Lastly, I think Fentanyl is harder to deal with for users due to its shorter duration of action. A person using 6 times per day is much more likely to lose track of his or her dosing schedule. If an addict is unsure if he took his 5'o clock dose already, he's 9 times out of 10 going to err on the side of taking more Fentanyl. I see people's usage deteriorate like this until they are in the final stage which is typically living on the steet and using Fentanyl however often as they can. They use what they get without regard for even a few hours into the future.

This chaos works against you when you're addicted. I'm not saying Heroin creates the perfect global citizen or anything, but the 3 times per day thing is a great way of regulating your usage. We are already used to 3 meals per day and myself and most other users would essentially line up their injections with their breakfast, lunch and dinner. Anyway, that's my opinion on the subject.

 

[Adazolam]

Fent and its analogues are total crap as a high and recreational substance (leaving out all the problems of dosages related to its potency)
But there's NOTHING euphoric about them. Zero. You move from a conscious to an unconscious state. No fun.
And very far from h, hydromorphone or morphine.
The only usefulness I see in chronic pain with the patch mode and therapeutic dosage. Or to reduce abstinence from h or other opioids (always with low dosages)

You’re absolutely right, nothing euphoric about it, a couple years ago when it first came out in rock/powder form, or maybe just when I started using. But H was euphoric. You say then why do people take it? Cause there hooked and the alternative stopping and having nightmare type withdraws, like this stuff is so bad I call it the devils drug. It will take everything from you, and what you have to go through to withdraw I think doctors and specialists will start to see you need more than 2mg of subutex every 8 hours. One of my doctors says take up to 32mg if you have to, that’s the ceiling effect and you can’t overdose on buprenorphine. I’m talking more about the mental withdrawals, the hallucinations, depression and anxiety. There gonna have to start giving people lithium or something along those lines; cause I thought I was losing my mind last time I tried to withdraw in a hospital detox.

 

[Adazolam]

Fent and its analogues are total crap as a high and recreational substance (leaving out all the problems of dosages related to its potency)
But there's NOTHING euphoric about them. Zero. You move from a conscious to an unconscious state. No fun.
And very far from h, hydromorphone or morphine.
The only usefulness I see in chronic pain with the patch mode and therapeutic dosage. Or to reduce abstinence from h or other opioids (always with low dosages)

Oh and pharmaceutical fentanyl is euphoric. They have those suckers they give to people with cancer. Those are . But street “fentanyl” theirs is so much other shit in it, it’s a joke we call it fentanyl.

 

[xyz69]

Oh, e il fentanyl farmaceutico è euforico. Hanno quelle lecca-lecca che danno alle persone con il cancro. Quelle sono . Ma il "fentanyl" da strada ha così tanta altra merda dentro, è uno scherzo che lo chiamiamo fentanyl.

Yes, I know. I used the pharmaceutical nasal citrate for a long time and it was quite pleasant even with 400, max 800 ng.
But there's nothing recreational about it compared h or hydromorphone.
But with the free base of the patches (I clean them well with pure acetone to remove the ink and put them in the mouth) they are not euphoric at all.
But in the street you don't know what you take, when you take it, and many inject it. The result is what you see. People completaly out (+ xilazine = shit) but who do not enjoy anything.
Enlarged tolerance, zero euphoria and nightmare abstinence. In addition to the risk of overdose at every shot.