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Oh No, the dreaded pleurisy!!!! I have had it twice, its so painful!!! The first time i got pleurisy i didn't know what was wrong with me!!! It came on so quickly!!! I woke up one morning with such a sharp pain in my chest, i could hardly move or even breath!!! I thought that i was having a heart attack or something!!! It was nasty!!! That was years ago before i ever used gear.

I also had pneumonia when i was much younger, i was sick for months, i lost so much weight that i was like a little stick, i missed months of school. The pneumonia left a weakness in my chest, when you look at an x~ray of my chest it has loads of black spots on it, that weakness is why i have always suffered from bad chest infections & pleurisy (Ouch!!!!)

But yeah in the last 8 years that i have been using gear i haven't had a bad cold or anything. Although I only ever smoke gear, so before the drought my lungs were in a bad bad way, they sounded like bagpipes!! I could hardly make it up the stairs without stopping half way to catch my breath, you would think that at 38 i would still be able to manage the stairs!!! 8(

If anyone is feeling really ill with a cold or what ever now it would probably be because their endorphins are not working properly, & now coz of the drought there is no gear to deaden the pain, everyone is probably feeling very raw at the moment!! I wonder how long it takes before our endorphins start working again? It probably depends on our age & how long we used H for. & i wonder if our endorphins go back working as well as they did before the gear? :?
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The brain has an astonishing was of healing itself Ructions - even people with mild brain-damage have been known to make a full recovery. Your endorphins production should return to full functionality - but how long it will take will depend on how long you've been using. Exercise works wonders as will healthy food and supplements. Buy Centrum.
 
endlessnameless said:
Was having a fantastic, depression free day yesterday...right up until my ex (who I still love in many way to be honest) contacted me on facebook to tell me how she's fallen in love with a coke-dealer who's been in jail for dealing coke and several counts of GBH, is 10 years her senior and wants to fucking marry her. She's 19 for fuck sake - I was teaching her about the world - hes 29 almost 30. UGH. She originally told me this on VALENTINES DAY when I had a gift ordered for her as we had been getting on great for about a month...

I'm not depressed, but folks I'm heartbroken. Fucking heartbroken. So fuck it, I'm calling my dealer and trying to get a bag on lay until Friday - I'll throw him a few valium. I dont want to, but I fucking need to numb this crap out of my system until I give her a call and fucking tell her how I still feel about her because its killing me man. I promised myself I wouldnt get into this state over a girl again but this isnt just a fucking random girl.

Anyway, he agreed to give me one but he hasnt reloaded yet so I have to wait another 45mins. I havent a bean to my name but on Thursday I can get 25 and Friday I can get 15. I'm not going back into scoring and sitting in my fucking room all day mulling over my broken heart though - next week I'm off to the psychiatrists and then when I'm stabalised on an antianxiety med I'm starting acting school, getting a good job, a nice fucking convertible (and travelling the world eventually). Everyone's leaving Ireland apparently, theres fuck all over here in terms of job prospects. Listening to live-line here on RTE 1 and people are crying their eyes out over businesses going under and family members as young as 16-18 leaving the country and not coming back. Fuck it all man.

What the fuck is she playing at...coke dealer...she cried when I said I used to have to smoke gear because I was depressed. Aw man...women...why do you do this to me.
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don't come across all wet and soppy,begging her to take you back
just make it clear that you will be there for her whenever she needs you
cos let's face it,that isn't a relationship made in heaven so she'll be looking for a shoulder to cry on soon enough
make sure she sees you as someone who could be that shoulder withouot worrying that you will assume everything is back on
 
Good evening folks, here is some good info. i came across & thought i'd share it with you's
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In research findings reported in The Lancet, scientists monitoring the Randomized Injectable Opiate Treatment Trial (RIOTT) reported that allowing addicts who have failed to get off heroin to use injectable "medical grade" heroin resulted in lower levels of street heroin use than in addicts given either oral or injectable methadone. The research was done by Professor John Strang and colleagues from the National Addiction Center's Institute of Psychiatry at King's College in London.

Up to 10% of heroin addicts fail to respond to conventional treatments, for reasons that are unclear. In recent years, scientific evidence suggesting that providing medicinal heroin, known as diamorphine in the United Kingdom, under supervision is an effective treatment for chronic heroin addiction, has only increased. This study adds to the mounting evidence.

The RIOTT study chose as subjects chronic addicts who were receiving oral maintenance doses, typically of methadone, but were continuing to regularly inject street heroin. Subjects were provided with oral methadone, injectable methadone, or injectable heroin over a half-year period. At the end of the study, 80% of the subjects remained in treatment, with the highest figure for those using heroin (88%), followed by injectable methadone (81%) and oral methadone (69%). Among subjects who had 50% or more negative samples for street heroin -- the authors' measure of measurable improvement -- 66% of medicinal heroin users avoided street smack, while only 30% of injectable methadone users did and only 19% of oral methadone users did.

"We have shown that treatment with supervised injectable heroin leads to significantly lower use of street heroin than does supervised injectable methadone or optimised oral methadone," the authors said in a press release announcing the findings. "Furthermore, this difference was evident within the first six weeks of treatment."

Noting that the UK government's 2008 Drug Strategy had called for rolling out prescription heroin and methadone to clients who don't respond to other forms of treatment, contingent on the results of the RIOTT study, the authors said the results were in and it was time to act. "In the past 15 years, six randomized trials have all reported benefits from treatment with injectable heroin compared with oral methadone. Supervised injectable heroin should now be provided, with close monitoring, for carefully selected chronic heroin addicts in the UK," they concluded.

"Our scientific understanding about how to treat people with severe heroin addiction has taken an important step forward," said Professor Strang. "The RIOTT study shows that previously unresponsive patients can achieve major reductions in their use of street heroin and, impressively, these outcomes were seen within six weeks. Our work offers government robust evidence to support the expansion of this treatment, so that more patients can benefit."

You can watch Professor Strang discuss the findings here.
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Another copied & pasted good read:

HOPHEAD CONFESSIONS!!! A DISEASE OR A CRIME???!!!
by Carl Locker, July 13, 2010, 05:03am

"The individual has always had to struggle to keep from being overwhelmed by the tribe. If you try it, you will be lonely often, and sometimes frightened. But no price is too high to pay for the privilege of owning yourself." "All things are subject to interpretation; whichever interpretation prevails at a given time is a function of power and not truth." "The advantage of a bad memory is that one can enjoy the same good things for the first time several times." "A little poison now and then: that makes for agreeable dreams." -F. Nietzsche Recreational narcotic addiction. This subject is as welcome in polite company as recreational pedophilia I suppose. But here I write from the the eye of the hurricane, no longer in the belly of the beast. Perhaps this is a privilege of age and white skin and a little luck. But still I must suffer the financial toll of the gray and black market. And the little HepC bugs gnawing on my liver. I've used narcotics for pleasure since 1971, opium was my preference, or chemical narcotic drugs whenever opium was not available, which is now virtually all the time. The "drug world" has changed over the years that I have used, or "practiced" as the old timers used to call it, and not for the better. The available "street" narcotic, heroin, has declined in quality terribly over the decades. At least the junk that comes from Mexico, which is now the primary heroin source for the U.S. it appears. Despite the government inflicted propaganda that both Cannabis and heroin are both now much "stronger" or of a higher quality than we "baby boomers" had access to when we were young: think Vietnamese black, Cambodian red or the ultimate moonrocket weed, Thai. And Double U-O Globe brand #4 "China white" heroin smuggled from Vietnam and Thailand (90-99% purity). This was 40 years ago. Don't let my generations always narrow minded and often duplicitous career social engineers bullshit you. Street heroin is and has been cut with just about everything under the sink over the last couple decades. When I was young heroin was cut with lactose. Too far down the "junk pyramid" some might be cut with procaine in the west, or quinine in the east. I lived in L.A. during the 80s when crack profits funded the rapid proliferation of criminal gangs. After a period of drug abstinence, in 1994 I went to score near 6th and Union, an old open heroin street market in L.A. Once inhabited by independent dealers, the area had, in my "absence" been claimed, tagged off and monopolized with armed force, as 18th Street gang turf. And the 18th Street gang was cutting their dope with shoe polish. The drugs induced delirium and a near death experience for me. Others were not so lucky, I suppose. I've only dabbled in junk over the last 20 years, the quality and/or cut of the junk has been so bad, even for strong dope of high "purity" that I believe I flushed a good 20% of all the nasty stuff I've purchased over the last 20 years. Todays veinless junkies carry the brown recluse spiderbite like scars of the filthy junk that is contaminated with flesh eating bacteria. And the veins go fast using the shit on the street these days. Thank God and the pharmaceutical companies for all the nasty pills people mix like inept alchemists, or maybe lemmings. But save the pantapon and dilaudid for me. I suppose. You can have the OC. That little hook takes too long to shake off. And the "cures" for narcotic addiction, addiction to the narcotic drugs methadone and buprenorphine. I think I'll pass on that too. Highly educated academic addiction specialists with the insight of virgin sex therapists, armed with reductionist and social pseudoscience, tell me I suffer from a disease of the brain. This disease forces me against even my own will to desire and consume opium. Help I cry. A huge mutliizillion dollar addiction recovery complex is now in place to help the newly painpill addicted avoid, allegedly, the suffering of drug withdrawal. O the Horror! I recently read that some addicts may need to be addicted to buprenorphine or methadone for life in order to medically recover from addiction. Orwellian medspeak? Others say that I am merely a criminal in need of incarceration or worse in order to save society from itself. Personally I think I just have an acquired taste for a forbidden fruit. But truthfully, to ask me to abstain from this passion permanently is no more reasonable than demanding lifelong sexual abstinence. That conformity is part of your moral code, not mine. This acquired taste runs deep. I practice temperance and self restraint in my use of narcotics and it is no more reasonable of you to hold me responsible for the actions of criminal or terminal addicts than it is of me to hold social drinkers responsible for the actions of criminal or terminal alcoholics. I've kicked many times and always on my own. I do not relapse. I freely choose to use narcotics with eyes wide open. Opium is best suited for use by very mature and stoic individuals. Paradise is temporary and fleeting. Agony is the price exacted for lingering in this paradise. And payment is due in full immediately at the exit when the ride is over. I'm personally fine with this price tag, thank you. Those who wish to avoid agony and suffering should steer clear. Don't you suppose? "O mother of pearl, I wouldn't change you for the whole world". -B. Ferry .
 
Another good read: & not so bloody long lol..

How Afghan Poppy Eradication Efforts Are Helping the World's Largest Heroin Dealers
from Truthout (CA), January 27, 2011

Location:
Afghanistan
It has long been known inside Afghanistan that heroin dealers in high positions benefit from the United States and Afghan governments' counternarcotics policies. Now the American public can get a glimpse. US embassy cables published recently by WikiLeaks expose the insider opinion that Afghan officials are using poppy eradication teams to weed out the competitors of major traffickers with whom they are linked.
Publication/Source:
Truthout (CA)

A really good link below...!!!

http://www.truth-out.org/how-afghan...re-helping-worlds-largest-heroin-dealers67175 .
 
zaramorf said:
Good evening folks, here is some good info. i came across & thought i'd share it with you's
)

In research findings reported in The Lancet, scientists monitoring the Randomized Injectable Opiate Treatment Trial (RIOTT) reported that allowing addicts who have failed to get off heroin to use injectable "medical grade" heroin resulted in lower levels of street heroin use than in addicts given either oral or injectable methadone. The research was done by Professor John Strang and colleagues from the National Addiction Center's Institute of Psychiatry at King's College in London.

Up to 10% of heroin addicts fail to respond to conventional treatments, for reasons that are unclear. In recent years, scientific evidence suggesting that providing medicinal heroin, known as diamorphine in the United Kingdom, under supervision is an effective treatment for chronic heroin addiction, has only increased. This study adds to the mounting evidence.

The RIOTT study chose as subjects chronic addicts who were receiving oral maintenance doses, typically of methadone, but were continuing to regularly inject street heroin. Subjects were provided with oral methadone, injectable methadone, or injectable heroin over a half-year period. At the end of the study, 80% of the subjects remained in treatment, with the highest figure for those using heroin (88%), followed by injectable methadone (81%) and oral methadone (69%). Among subjects who had 50% or more negative samples for street heroin -- the authors' measure of measurable improvement -- 66% of medicinal heroin users avoided street smack, while only 30% of injectable methadone users did and only 19% of oral methadone users did.

"We have shown that treatment with supervised injectable heroin leads to significantly lower use of street heroin than does supervised injectable methadone or optimised oral methadone," the authors said in a press release announcing the findings. "Furthermore, this difference was evident within the first six weeks of treatment."

Noting that the UK government's 2008 Drug Strategy had called for rolling out prescription heroin and methadone to clients who don't respond to other forms of treatment, contingent on the results of the RIOTT study, the authors said the results were in and it was time to act. "In the past 15 years, six randomized trials have all reported benefits from treatment with injectable heroin compared with oral methadone. Supervised injectable heroin should now be provided, with close monitoring, for carefully selected chronic heroin addicts in the UK," they concluded.

"Our scientific understanding about how to treat people with severe heroin addiction has taken an important step forward," said Professor Strang. "The RIOTT study shows that previously unresponsive patients can achieve major reductions in their use of street heroin and, impressively, these outcomes were seen within six weeks. Our work offers government robust evidence to support the expansion of this treatment, so that more patients can benefit."

You can watch Professor Strang discuss the findings here.
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I have been smoking H for 14yrs so what could they provide for me?i don't want to start injecting
 
Hey folks, hope you're all well ;)
Havent posted for a lil while so thought id let you know how its going for me and my bf, well we have used twice so far this year, and i must say it defiantly gets easier the longer you go, I go days without even thinking about the dreaded 'h' let alone even doing it.
I'm now on 30ml of juice and my bf is on 15-20ml.
I can finally see a light at the end of the addiction tunnel:)
If it hadnt been for the drought then we probably would never of stopped.
So good luck to those thinking the same, you can defiantly do it!:)
 
kkattastic said:
don't come across all wet and soppy,begging her to take you back
just make it clear that you will be there for her whenever she needs you
cos let's face it,that isn't a relationship made in heaven so she'll be looking for a shoulder to cry on soon enough
make sure she sees you as someone who could be that shoulder withouot worrying that you will assume everything is back on
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Thanks a lot for that. My gut tells me she's just saying all this to get a reaction from me.

I have to wait until tomorrow to get my gear so I wasn't up to calling her. She says I'm her best friend anyway and I've told her I'm always here. I'll keep in contact with her as much as possible but like you said, its best I be the shoulder to cry on...I don't mind being that person. I just dont think she's being honest. Its too...wild a story.

I know Hitler said the bigger the lie, the more likely people are to believe it...but for fuck sake this is just in another league. Like, her fucking mother didnt approve of me because my two front teeth were chipped and I deferred a year from my college course - what the fuck are they going to think of a ex-con coke dealer etc 10 years older than her?

Ah...I need numbing. None of this is doing my mind any good - none of it.
 
PinkGlitter said:
Hey folks, hope you're all well ;)
Havent posted for a lil while so thought id let you know how its going for me and my bf, well we have used twice so far this year, and i must say it defiantly gets easier the longer you go, I go days without even thinking about the dreaded 'h' let alone even doing it.
I'm now on 30ml of juice and my bf is on 15-20ml.
I can finally see a light at the end of the addiction tunnel:)
If it hadnt been for the drought then we probably would never of stopped.
So good luck to those thinking the same, you can defiantly do it!:)
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Hi PinkGlitter!!!! I'm so glad to hear that you & your BF are doing so well!!! Yous are really doing great!!!! Fair play to you both!!!!!!! :D

The drought is still in Dublin, but things are getting a bit better!! & that is the one thing that is worrying me, my BF & i don't want to go back using every day when (if) the drought ends!! I would love to just use at weekends, but anytime that we have ever tried to do that in the pasted it never worked, before we knew it we were back using again every day!! But now we are hoping that the drought has thought us that we can go without H, so i hope that we can keep things more in control!! (Famous last words!!!)

But when i hear stories like yours PinkGlitter it really gives me hope, it shows that it can be done!! So i wish you both the very best of luck!!! Make sure to stay in touch & let us know how yous are getting on!!! & i'll let you know how my BF & i get on if this bloody drought ever ends in Direland!!!! ;)
 
kkattastic said:
I have been smoking H for 14yrs so what could they provide for me?i don't want to start injecting
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They use to - and still may do inject ciggies with liquid DM and the water would evaporate leaving the DM crystals - so you could carry on smoking.
 
endlessnameless said:
Thanks a lot for that. My gut tells me she's just saying all this to get a reaction from me.

I have to wait until tomorrow to get my gear so I wasn't up to calling her. She says I'm her best friend anyway and I've told her I'm always here. I'll keep in contact with her as much as possible but like you said, its best I be the shoulder to cry on...I don't mind being that person. I just dont think she's being honest. Its too...wild a story.

I know Hitler said the bigger the lie, the more likely people are to believe it...but for fuck sake this is just in another league. Like, her fucking mother didnt approve of me because my two front teeth were chipped and I deferred a year from my college course - what the fuck are they going to think of a ex-con coke dealer etc 10 years older than her?

Ah...I need numbing. None of this is doing my mind any good - none of it.
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Aw, try not to worry too much Endless...... Life can be a real drag at times, but these things always have a way of sorting themselves out for the best in the end. The main thing is that you stay strong!!! Women are are always attracted to strong men!!!

& as i said to you before, your ex is about to learn that often that 'bad boy' is not just an image, if he is a bit of a 'bad boy' in his normal daily life then there is every chance that he will be a 'bad boy' in relationships too, & that is never a good thing!!! Do you know what i mean? Does that make any sense? 8(

Anyway you look after yourself Endless....., your one of the good ones, she will realize that one day!!! In the mean time just stay strong!!! Kkattastic gave you some good advice about the shoulder for her to cry on!!! ;)
 
ructions said:
Hi PinkGlitter!!!! I'm so glad to hear that you & your BF are doing so well!!! Yous are really doing great!!!! Fair play to you both!!!!!!! :D

The drought is still in Dublin, but things are getting a bit better!! & that is the one thing that is worrying me, my BF & i don't want to go back using every day when (if) the drought ends!! I would love to just use at weekends, but anytime that we have ever tried to do that in the pasted it never worked, before we knew it we were back using again every day!! But now we are hoping that the drought has thought us that we can go without H, so i hope that we can keep things more in control!! (Famous last words!!!)

But when i hear stories like yours PinkGlitter it really gives me hope, it shows that it can be done!! So i wish you both the very best of luck!!! Make sure to stay in touch & let us know how yous are getting on!!! & i'll let you know how my BF & i get on if this bloody drought ever ends in Direland!!!! ;)
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Thankyou Ructions, that means a lot, and the same to you and your bloke xx
I see some of you bluelighters too have got gum disease problems, i went to the dentist yesterday and was shocked when she told me my gums shouldnt be what they are for someone my age, i'm 26, and she said they are going to have to refer me to a specialist, i asked what will the speicialist do and she said there will be a hygeinist who will clean them thoroughly every couple of months, anyways i was quite upset coz ive got nice looking straight teeth, and never thought for 1 min there was a problem with my gums, so is it down to smoking gear for 6 years? and cigarettes for 12 years? :!
 
blondin said:
They use to - and still may do inject ciggies with liquid DM and the water would evaporate leaving the DM crystals - so you could carry on smoking.
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that's correct blondin I know of 1 person who takes a pack of bh and gets them injected with dm I tried them a few times and ya get a nice hit but ya car'nt beat chaseing the dragon I will try and contact them for info as they live in a different area now so lost contact

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kkattastic said:
I have been smoking H for 14yrs so what could they provide for me?i don't want to start injecting
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Heroin reefers ? They were availible in the 90's. Herbal fags soaked in Dia morph. One of the best Harm Reduction ideas imo, but like all things with potential they just kinda disapeared.

I see this has already been brought up i was jus catchin up
 
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