Heroin/Oxycontin Cotton shots

[sixpartseven]

Only because people present there opinions as fact, thats what I'm saying. I'm not trying to be a bitch, but I can't help but to retaliate when people tell me I'm wrong and so very misinformed when all they're giving is they're unsupported opinion

Chill out with the "opinion" thing.

It is no ones OPINION that fillers/binders become soluble when heated. It is a FACT. You might be the only person on BL who does not know that. Whether you want to believe it or not...I really dont care. People are trying to give you answers to your questions and you just dont want to believe them because it goes against what you THINK. Youre doing it just because you dont want to be wrong.

You need to understand, its a FACT. Not anyones OPINION.

Thats what I'm saying, I understand that oxycodone is readily water soluble, but as melange just said, ask anyone who's done it. I don't know exactly why it is, but like I said, it probably has to do with some of the drug still being trapped in the wax. Even though oxy is water soluble, if it's trapped inside of an insoluble component, then it wouldn't dissolve would it?

Its because you are not crushing your pills well enough the first time around. TR just said it. How are you not understanding?

If you crush the OC well enough the first time you are prepping it for IV, there should be no active drug left. You are doing a sloppy job if you are still able to get high from the residue left behind.

I think you are just arguing for the sake of arguing. You ask "why do I still get high?" he says "because youre doing a bad job dissolving and leaving stuff behind" and then you say "I dont know exactly why this happens, but like I said, it still gets me high."

How many times are we going to have to say the EXACT SAME THING before you understand it?

 

[rave23]

christ pinpoint, shift it down a gear. Have you read the first paragraph of his post? Obviously not everybody will be correct with what he's posting here, that does not mean we should not discuss it.

If anybody was to post facts that are 100% for sure, we would still live without fire.

Relax 8) If someone has a wrong opinion i am more than happy to show him why he's wrong and make sure he understands it, instead of telling him "WRONG" and leave him with his knowledge to spread it even further. HARM REDUCTION!

// also, good call sixpartseven, they both need to have a cone and smarten and brighten up

 

[sixpartseven]

No shit, right? I find it hard to believe you wouldn't think twice about shooting from used cottons if you're experiencing withdrawals or fiending badly, and you can't score your fix!

How is that hard to believe? Some people, despite how sick they may be, know the dangers of attempting to shoot left over heroin from a bacteria infested piece of cotton.

In the 3 - 4 years I was doing heroin, Ive only ever reused a cotton ONCE. Its not something that comes with the territory. Just because you are an opiate addict does not mean you automatically have to reuse cottons.

 

[andyman1109]

Okay, I'll admit I did take my argument too far, I was just sort of retaliating because people jump on shit like, instead of just politely disagreeing and stating why, people have to be like, "No your wrong and your a fucking idiot. Why would you even ask that." I think we all need to pull back and not jump people's shit so much. I think we'd all learn a lot more if we were more polite to each other. Anyway, I conceded my argument in my last post. I think TR is right in his point, and I think I also showed that OxyConTin is one of the least dangerous pills to inject when done correctly. Its funny tho because neither of these points are part of the original post, lol.

 

[sixpartseven]

^ thank you. I respect that.

And you are right. None of this has anything to do with the original topic. So, lets get back on topic.

 

[rave23]

I don't know exactly why it is, but like I said, it probably has to do with some of the drug still being trapped in the wax. Even though oxy is water soluble, if it's trapped inside of an insoluble component, then it wouldn't dissolve would it?

No. It's not like the other stuff is enclosing the mollecules. That is bad chemistry right there. All components are free flowing salts that are being pressed into form. There is no polymerisation going on, that's why they easily melt down / disolve.

What you are talking about, you think they melt the pill into shape. Wrong. It is being pressed. There is little to no heat involved in the process. Hopefully that clears it up a little.

It's a misconception to think that there are mollecules "trapped". That simply does not apply, cause heat and polimerisation is required in order for mollecules to form bonds and "trap" other mollecules. That is how the time release in many Syrups works. But pills are mixtures of free flowing powders pressed into shape, therefore when added to water they disolve nicely. If anything, the addition of heat allows this polimerisation to start, and then "trap" mollecules. So it might not even be better to heat, don't you think?

 

[TheodoreRoosevelt]

an someone make a "Pill shooting" thread, where we collect all the information and arguments? There are soooo many threads all over the place and derailed because of pills, why don't we put it all in one big thread?

They already exist. If I'm not mistaken PhreeX has made some posts about it, and negrogesic definitely wrote some good articles about it. He said that pills were actually relatively safe to inject if they were water soluble.

If you can't find that info though, heroinhelper.com has some great articles on how to prepare pills.

 

[mcRiggs]

I've started saving my old cottons and reusing them when I go through my dope too quick and am waiting to hook up. I personally don't think it's any more dangerous than doing a normal shot, as long as you re boil the cottons to kill bacteria that may have grown in them. I boil the shit out of like 5 or 6 cottons and suck up whatever I can get into a 1cc rig. When I'm lucky I get kinda darkis brown liquid that looks a little like a decent shot. It really just keeps you from sickness though, no rush.
The possibility of cotton fever scares me, but I don't know why it would be more possible when reusing cottons v.s. using them the first time? I use those dental cottons handed out at the needle exchange though, they don't really fray or fall apart. Tho a lot of my friends say they think those things are too tightly wound and that they are harder to reuse.

 

[canj00feelit?]

How is that hard to believe? Some people, despite how sick they may be, know the dangers of attempting to shoot left over heroin from a bacteria infested piece of cotton.

In the 3 - 4 years I was doing heroin, Ive only ever reused a cotton ONCE. Its not something that comes with the territory. Just because you are an opiate addict does not mean you automatically have to reuse cottons.

Coming from a once hardcore daily IV heroin user, it's just HARD for me to believe, that's why. Plain and simple. I'd guess if we were to take a poll of people who have even saved cottons for the PURE purpose of using them in a bind/pinch, rather than just re-using a cotton once, over those who would never do it would be 10:1. This is a poll for only the highly addicted IV heroin user, of course, like myself. This is coming from experience, of course. Just my opinion, and my experience.

I do agree with you, and respect most of your opinions and your advice bro. However, I'd say we can just agree to disagree on this one, haha.

 

[JASS92]

Coming from a once hardcore daily IV heroin user, it's just HARD for me to believe, that's why. Plain and simple. I'd guess if we were to take a poll of people who have even saved cottons for the PURE purpose of using them in a bind/pinch, rather than just re-using a cotton once, over those who would never do it would be 10:1. This is a poll for only the highly addicted IV heroin user, of course, like myself. This is coming from experience, of course. Just my opinion, and my experience.

I do agree with you, and respect most of your opinions and your advice bro. However, I'd say we can just agree to disagree on this one, haha.

I never once refiltered my cotton. But then again I did go cold-turkey from a hardcore H habit. I dont know; I personally would rather experience the hell of withdrawal than risk actually killing myself with cotton.

 

[canj00feelit?]

You've never withdrawn from opiates have you? It's not a matter of being twisted and unsanitary. It's a matter of feeling so unbelievably horrible physically and mentally that anyone would embrace any opportunity to make it go away (with the exception of intentionally going cold turkey maybe, but even then it would be smart to not have any cottons lying around to tempt you.)

I don't care how "sanitary" anyone claims to be....if you're really sick and you've got cottons full of dope anywhere in the vicinity, you're going to use them sooner or later.

That's exactly how I feel man, hit the nail on the head.

 

[EmuBitter]

no way would i do a cotton shot. but i can understand why people do it.

 

[pinpoint]

I've started saving my old cottons and reusing them when I go through my dope too quick and am waiting to hook up. I personally don't think it's any more dangerous than doing a normal shot, as long as you re boil the cottons to kill bacteria that may have grown in them. I boil the shit out of like 5 or 6 cottons and suck up whatever I can get into a 1cc rig. When I'm lucky I get kinda darkis brown liquid that looks a little like a decent shot. It really just keeps you from sickness though, no rush.
The possibility of cotton fever scares me, but I don't know why it would be more possible when reusing cottons v.s. using them the first time? I use those dental cottons handed out at the needle exchange though, they don't really fray or fall apart. Tho a lot of my friends say they think those things are too tightly wound and that they are harder to reuse.

 

[drunken_etard]

You've never withdrawn from opiates have you? It's not a matter of being twisted and unsanitary. It's a matter of feeling so unbelievably horrible physically and mentally that anyone would embrace any opportunity to make it go away (with the exception of intentionally going cold turkey maybe, but even then it would be smart to not have any cottons lying around to tempt you.)

I don't care how "sanitary" anyone claims to be....if you're really sick and you've got cottons full of dope anywhere in the vicinity, you're going to use them sooner or later.

pfff ok buddy. I am addicted to opiates right now. You dont need to tell me what w/d is like bud. I do around 400mgs of morphine or 240-320mgs of oxycodone a day. I know all about W/D..ugh. Im just saying its damn sick to picjk through the trash and injecting shyte like that. And dude i have went cold turkey before from a habbit larger than i have right now. And boy o boy was it the worst feeling ever. Overll i shouldnt have flammed buddy like that..sorry. I just found it very sick that someone would do that.

 

[pinpoint]

^you speak about the size of your habit as if you are proud of it, either way, we are all entitled to shoot what ever the hell we want, regardless of whether you 'approve' of it or not.

 

[afiPUNKrocks]

I always save my cotton and the left over fillers/binders but I keep the fillers/binders in a pill bottle and only put it in there after the shits dried in the spoon. after I save this up 4 a while and things get desperate I can usually get a hit or two real weak though. The cottons though are to be eaten Never I mean NEVER try to get a rinse out of them. perfect for bacteria cause they don't dry out fast enough and thus let bacteria grow. Did it once and about 1 hour later I had to lay down and had a fever, chills, sweats, aches......... Better to just save em to eat when dry and disparate time come around. thats my opinion