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Yeah thanks Carl I feel I am doing good but things are just so foreign I dont know what I am doing half the time, ha.

Your doing good too hang in there my dealings with the courts is get a good lawyer pay him well and tell him to fight, some lawyers LOVE to do that.

Yeah getting arrested is a sure sign things arent good or great. I cant say what to do as I am sure you already know.

peace.
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im really new to posting here to i dunno if this is the right place to be posting so forgive me if its not. anyways - a little bit about my heroin history, i've been using for 6 years, since i was 17. been through periods of really heavy duty addiction and periods of not so heavy using . i've come off cold turkey ( never again ) subutex maintainence and a detox programme which involved going into a hospital type settiing and having no opiates to assist W/D only various muscle relaxents and benzos and a whole bunch of stuff i cant remember the name of . was 5 day, first 3 days they basically knock you out and on the 4 th administer naltrexone orally and 5th day i got the naltrexone implant . it really saved my live i was slammed 2 g's a day every days for the bets part of a year. i recieved my 2 nd implant after 3 months that was all fine. now, by the time my 3rd implant was due i'd been on a bit of a bender and had to delay it as i knew i'd fail the drugs test. now i've had to send myself to the middle of no where to make sure i cant take anything before my next implant . im having minor WD's but i have 10 30mg codeine , a bunch of valium and some mirtazipine. i think this should be enough to make it comfortable. however i just want one more hit before i get my implant as i know it'll be months before i can do it again. i shouldn't be doing it at all. how can i get rid of the desire to do it thats whats really fucking me up . any advice would be welcome!!!
 
bagochina-yeah i get the 'shaky hands' once in awhile and it is annoying..they have calmed down alot over the past few years but i still get them once in awhile...it makes you feel like a nervous wreck when you arent..also, i sweat worse than anyone i know even off the opiates..its like something triggered my sweat glands to go crazy...i have talked to other addicts that say the same thing..

when it comes to being lazy after quitting opiates, i definitely know how that is..i remember weeks going by where i would feel exhausted just walking up aflight of stairs..cleaning felt miserable...i remember taking my dogs for a walk and halfway thru i would feel so cloudy-headed and detached and tired that i thought i was losing my mind..i was like 'man, its been months since i got clean and i still fel this shitty?'...that tiredness and foggy thinking had went away for the most part but i still have it..which begs another question is where did these problems start, before we used drugs or did the drugs cause them??impossible to answer...

just whatever you guys do, no matter how lazy or tired you feel, dont let apathy enter your life because then it is downhill from there..i remember feeling so apathetic at times back then i could care less if i even got out of bed...not fun..
 
Clean three weeks as of today. It feels like nothing, I'm not even proud. Last time I went 30-31 days, and relapsed really fast. I don't even trust myself, or know what to think. My head is SOOOO incredibly fucked with thru all this. I'm sick of dealing with legal issues, with "treatment", with no transportation, no phone, feeling socially isolated, dealing with mountains of bullshit from family, being on the edge of having nowhere to live, and a completely up in the air relationship with the person I was closest with for a long time, where I am too afraid, guilty, and/or angry to try and even contact her

I'm bitter about it. If it weren't for police and unlucky situations, people probably wouldn't have even known I used heroin. I kept it quite well managed, I practiced safe usage, never shared any equipment, dosed safe, etc. Yet I have to get hit by police when far more wreckless and out of control people get to continue unmolested? Using gives these police reason to legally steal from me, legally take my property? I'm going thru the motions of "treatment" to satisfy family and look good to the courts. If I want to quit, I'm gonna quit and not use. Now I actually don't even know about getting high. I smoke weed and drink, but anything harder scares me that it'll fling me back further into emotional hell. I really want some way to try and either impress my ex or make her feel dumb for missing out, and it's the primary motivation for me staying clean. The only other motivation I have is I don't want to end up caged like an animal by the system for using a substance. If it weren't for these stupid legal penalties I'd prob be high all day every day
 
just under 3 days without dope and i actually feel great. im wondering if the residual effects of my naltrexone implant gets the shit out of my system faster, just a thought who knows. thing is i know the implant was finished as i was getting proper high of even a .1 of pretty good #3 also i was clean 6 months before this relapse which was only about 8 weeks , but 8 weeks of heavy usage. during that 6 months i was basically tee-total and was in gym 5 days a week which obviously sped up my metabolism that might be another reason why this wd is going so fast as i was in really good shape before i fucked up. i feel like im on day 6 or 7 of my 'back in the day wd's' which is basically opiate free. i know im not as im using codeine phosphate and diazapam to take away the aches and anxiety but i haven't even had anything sice yesterday daytime, weird. . i just dont get how i feel so good . like , what im using to keep myself calm wouldn't even have touched the sides back in the day. anyways im rambling just cause i feel so happy. to everyone whos feeling like death right now its'll be over soon enough be strong, much love , Skeen
 
im really new to posting here to i dunno if this is the right place to be posting so forgive me if its not. anyways - a little bit about my heroin history, i've been using for 6 years, since i was 17. been through periods of really heavy duty addiction and periods of not so heavy using . i've come off cold turkey ( never again ) subutex maintainence and a detox programme which involved going into a hospital type settiing and having no opiates to assist W/D only various muscle relaxents and benzos and a whole bunch of stuff i cant remember the name of . was 5 day, first 3 days they basically knock you out and on the 4 th administer naltrexone orally and 5th day i got the naltrexone implant . it really saved my live i was slammed 2 g's a day every days for the bets part of a year. i recieved my 2 nd implant after 3 months that was all fine. now, by the time my 3rd implant was due i'd been on a bit of a bender and had to delay it as i knew i'd fail the drugs test. now i've had to send myself to the middle of no where to make sure i cant take anything before my next implant . im having minor WD's but i have 10 30mg codeine , a bunch of valium and some mirtazipine. i think this should be enough to make it comfortable. however i just want one more hit before i get my implant as i know it'll be months before i can do it again. i shouldn't be doing it at all. how can i get rid of the desire to do it thats whats really fucking me up . any advice would be welcome!!!

I've been kinda "out of the game" for a few years now but what kind of implants are you talking about? Do they seem to help a lot?? That sounds interesting.

By the way, putting yourself in a place where you can't get anything is one of the best things you can do for yourself. I've done the same thing by moving six hours away from the town in which my addiction flourished. I have not allowed myself to interact with a single person I believe may be using any kind of drug (save pot because I'm 22 and hell, most people here smoke weed and it's not a big deal to me ash I don't smoke and haven't in years). Even during those days when I experience a craving (and thankfully these "days" occur less and less with time), I wouldn't even know where to begin searching for opiates. I've basically blocked myself from drugs and made it really hard to get back into them during those times when I am weak. Even after two years of sobriety I still experience those days when I can't even look at my veins and not dream about sticking a needle in them sooo I know this is the best thing to do.

Good luck with everything you are doing! It sounds like you will find a genuinely good place in life because it seems like you are working very hard at staying relatively clean. Don't forget that good things come to those who work very hard at something, even if it takes a long time.
 
user name here ( you are the first person to reply to one of my posts thanks :) ) - its a 2 gram 'sherman' brand naltrexone implant. its kinda looks like a cigarette filter only its green and a little wider. its places just inside your hip bone, you get a little swelling and a lump for a few weeks but once its settles its hardly anything , like a 1 cm scar. i find the first few time i get drunk after i get it i usually puke my fucking guts up which is unusual for me as im never sick drinking. also dehydration is quite bad for a few days after i find. ' They' you know the medical folks who make this shit up are actually testing naltrexone on alcoholics although i've struggled to find out much about this. i have another implant on friday so i'll when im there and find out for you pal. i should actually be moving on oral naltrexone but the doc and shrink and myself reckon 9 months on implant would be wise due to my heroin history, they reckon cause i started it so young my compulsion to it is very powerful which i agree with so i might even get a 4th one who knows , at £1200 each not cheap though , cant get that shit on NHS in UK. its all methadone and if your lucky subs. in my opinion if u really wanna be clean fuck maintenence just get it out you and change your life as best you can, delete those numbers , dont go them places , dont speak to people you know who do it. getting clean can mean losing friends and its not easy but its worth it. also the implant almost totally gets rid of the cravings like 95%.


and hey im 22 also , for 12 more days :(
 
I haven't used any opiates for 2 days. The last month I haven't been using very often. Probably 2-3x a week. Everytime I use it sets me back like 2 days and I feel all depressed for t two days after and hardly leave my room. That's been my routine lately use opiods for a a day or two, feel like shit for the next 2-3 days, rinse and repeat.

I don't really search for opiates, but whenever I run into them I can't say no. Even though I tell myself I will only use once a week. My friend calls me and I try not to bring opiates up, but he does most of the time, then it's on. I just don't have the will power to say no.

I have been addicted to opiates for 6 years and I'm currently 25. Even though I get over the acute withdrawals, I get paws and it sucks.

I just want to feel normal and happy. I feel like such a loser. My mental and physical health have suffered because of opiates. I don't know how much longer I can take this. Sometimes I wonder WTF i'm living for.

Most of my family don't understand shit because they have never been addicts. Their like oh you look fine but they don't understand how I feel inside.

Life sucks!
 
Consider yourself lucky that you're not physically addicted at this time.

That depression after using is normal, you just have to get out of your area and not use for a few weeks and you should feel better. You'll probably feel better if you just take a few days off.

It might sound hard, but if you could leave your area or find an activity that you enjoy, but is time-consuming, then it shouldn't be that hard. You're in a good spot, it should only get harder if you continue to use. I know I sure as hell would like to be only facing a mental addiction at this point.
 
Your advice is good Carl, but I have no money. Plus the paws/depression leave me so unmovtiated and I don't really see the point in doing things.

I hate how undisciplined I am. I tell my self I'm not going to use but it's so hard. When I quit suboxone, I didn't give my body time to heal itself. I started chipping almost immediately. Now every time I use for more then 1 day I'm in mild withdrawals for the next 2-3 days. After that I feel better and more motivated but then my dumb ass, goes and gets high again.

Maybe I should look at the bright side of things. At least I'm not shooting dirty, tar heroin, into my veins everyday. I feel like I should be happy about how far I have come. I'm not really that much happier then when I was using everyday.

They say time heals everything, but I'm so inpatient. I want to feel better now. I already wasted so many years of my life to this drug. It sucks you finally kick opiates and you still feel shitty.

Anyways, thanks for your advice, peace
 
I quit poppy tea after 2 years of nearly daily use. I've been clean for 23 days save a little suboxone and a quick taper starting with 10 loperamide pills. I'm down to 3 per day but I still don't feel normal. I mean the worst of the withdrawals were over after about 10 days but then there's just this empty feeling left... that feeling has been getting better but it's a slow process.

I'm over poppy tea for a long time. I was so tired of waking up sick every day and making sure that I had a constant supply/plan if I ran low. Life is better not addicted.
 
Your advice is good Carl, but I have no money. Plus the paws/depression leave me so unmovtiated and I don't really see the point in doing things.

I hate how undisciplined I am. I tell my self I'm not going to use but it's so hard. When I quit suboxone, I didn't give my body time to heal itself. I started chipping almost immediately. Now every time I use for more then 1 day I'm in mild withdrawals for the next 2-3 days. After that I feel better and more motivated but then my dumb ass, goes and gets high again.

Maybe I should look at the bright side of things. At least I'm not shooting dirty, tar heroin, into my veins everyday. I feel like I should be happy about how far I have come. I'm not really that much happier then when I was using everyday.

They say time heals everything, but I'm so inpatient. I want to feel better now. I already wasted so many years of my life to this drug. It sucks you finally kick opiates and you still feel shitty.

Anyways, thanks for your advice, peace

Sorry I can't offer better advice. I'm sort of in a similar boat as you. I've been using daily for a while, but I keep tapering close to getting off suboxone and then I end up using. It's a very tought cycle to break.

I also know that feeling of ids-interest all too well, a terrible feeling it is too. I always feel like such a waste at those points as I know there are things I want to do in this life and I always think about how much time I've lost since 2005 because of opiates.


I was doing really good, then I just slipped up over the last week. I somehow got all these oxy connects without even trying and my good friend/running buddy has been getting into pills a lot more. IDK, one week things are good, the next their crumbling down.

I really need to start seeing a counselor or therapist or whatever. I've called this place my sub doctor recommended at least 6 different days and left a message on at least 5 of those 6 days. I've never gotten a call back, so I guess they don't want me as a patient. It's frustrating though. :!

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I definitely have serious issues with my dad and my stepdad. My dad I never really see or talk to and that's mainly the issue since he seemed like a good dad to my half brother, half sisters, and step brother.

I've worked at my stepdads business for 11 years now, since I was 13! I thought I was helping the family out and doing good, since I am very focused at work and good at the things I do. However, he is a complete perfectionist, and I'm held to a higher standard than most of the other employees. If I try my very best and do an awesome job, my reward is not getting reprimanded. He never compliments anyone on a good job, only points out flaws, no matter how small. If I make a mistake, I usually get a speech about how that is going to fuck up this other stuff or how none of the employees there care about anything or he makes some kind of demeaning remark. :\

My step sister worked at the business a few years, nothing like the amount I have (and currently am doing). She was recently diagnosed with mild degenerative disc disease and was all freaked out (though it didn't look too bad after looking it up). Anyways my step dad called up mad doctors and was trying to set up all these appointments for her and doing all this stuff. I've been struggling with heroin and opiates for years now. He first found just over 4 years ago when I was in the hospital because my breathing was so bad (my lungs get congested form dope) and I had to tell my parents because I was going to be going through WDs soon enough since I had to spend the night in the hospital. I just got arrested for having 4 pills of oxy on me a few weeks ago. FOUR YEARS that he's known about this problem and it's been a struggle for me. He always gives me the same speech whenever the topic comes up and always tells me he'll 'do whatever it takes to get me to stop', but I've never seen him jump through any hoops like he did for my step sister.

Sorry for that tangent, it may not seem related, but it is very much related to my current drug problems. That shit really stings sometimes and tears me up inside. I just feel like my real dad doesn't want me or I'm just a reminder of a troubled past and failed marriage. I imagine he loves his other kids a lot more than me. :( Then there's my stepdad. I'll never be good enough for him. He is completely anti-drug and doesn't know anything about them (nothing at all, really). He's never smoked weed or used an illegal drug in his life. He looks at me like I'm a dirty criminal junky. It doesn't matter how good of a job I do at his business, it's never good enough. Now with getting arrested, I'm almost certain he doesn't love me. He loves my mom and my mom loves me, so he's sort of forced to 'love me'. I'm not saying he doesn't care, but he looks and talk to me like I'm a burden on the family.

I don't get it though. My dad doesn't want me, my step dad doesn't want me. I just don't know what I did where no one wants as a son.:(

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I quit poppy tea after 2 years of nearly daily use. I've been clean for 23 days save a little suboxone and a quick taper starting with 10 loperamide pills. I'm down to 3 per day but I still don't feel normal. I mean the worst of the withdrawals were over after about 10 days but then there's just this empty feeling left... that feeling has been getting better but it's a slow process.

I'm over poppy tea for a long time. I was so tired of waking up sick every day and making sure that I had a constant supply/plan if I ran low. Life is better not addicted.

Awesome job man, keep it up!=D

The only thing I've noticed that gets rid of that empty feeling (aside from drugs) is exercising, more specially running.
 
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Thanks man, I will not be returning to opiates anytime soon. I notice that exercise does help, like last night I kept on yawning and stretching and finally started pumping out pushups. I felt better for only a few minutes but it was relief nonetheless. I imagine running would help but I'm a bit out of shape and a regular smoker of weed and cigs which doesn't help.

The damage done by 2 years of poppy tea use will probably take a long time to heal so I'm just trying to be patient. If I get impatient I might end up ordering more pods and that's the last thing I want right now. Thanks for the kind words Carl!

I can sort of relate with the father thing, my dad and I have really grown distant over the years, he was a heavy drinker and I was abusing opiates. When he found out about my drug use he flipped and we got into a fight about it, the police were called... it was a mess. He moved in with another alcoholic and the police eventually dropped the assault charges they were planning. That was terrible, I didn't want to have to testify in court against my dad. Things are much better now though since I quit using drugs. He has almost completely quit drinking too so that's really great.

I can understand how it does affect someone though, even if it isn't something you think about often. For me it was pretty deep and I sort of subconciously avoided my dad because of his drinking and he kept pretty much to himself so we didn't have a very good relationship.
 
Carl, sorry to hear about how your step dad treats you. Have your tried getting closer to your biological father? Maybe he does want you in his life, he just doesn't know how to go about it. Maybe you should try talking to him more. Sometimes we need to look at what we do have and not at what we don't have. Your kind of lucky to have 2 dad's. My dad died when I was 4 years old, so I don't really know what it feels like to have a father.

My brother in law, owns a mechanic shop and I was helping him for some cash, but these last few weeks I haven't really been going to help him, because of the depression and apathy. So he calls me last night and tells me he needs me at the shop today. I got up at 9am and headed to the shop and I just got home. I don't feel all that bad, actually feel kind of normal.
Having a job and being productive keeps my mind off of opiates.

I also quit smoking weed, since I don't have no money, but I wanted to quit anyway. I also couldn't tell which of my symptoms where from the paws and which ones where from being burned out, on weed all day. I feel more clear headed, motivated, and more sociable. Had trouble sleeping last night, took a doxylamine and slept for a few hours. Marijuana is another addiction I need to get rid of. One step at a time, I guess.

take care people
 
Looks like we all have some father problems up in here.

I haven't spoken to my father as well for close to 3 years because he is a verbally abusive, manipulative alcoholic.

To this day he still does really manipulative shit to try to force me back into some sick, morbid relationship with him. He's all about control.
 
I don't get it though. My dad doesn't want me, my step dad doesn't want me. I just don't know what I did where no one wants as a son.:(

Im pretty sure you know it is not your fault but ask these questions of yourself because that way you have a reason to be miserable and get high ? I suppose many of us do that sometimes, the only difference is that some people (if not most) actually believe that nonesense and use it as an excuse for everything bad in their life. And it also seems to me your dads have (as most) problems dealing with drugs and as also most people have a problem admiting and really seeing their true behaviour (that they are not really behaving in your best interest) in an objective perspective. Their minds are a lot more boxed in than yours. And I think they are more willing to help your stepsister because her problem is much easier to deal with. Dont become bitter now because of it, it is not your fault and it would be silly to use it as an excuse for being depressed and getting high. You are obviously smarter than that and would be a better parent. But they are as they are, be glad you have a more open mindset and see things more clearly.
 
was doing great on subs but found some oxycodone 15 mg's and gobbled 5 up...argh. the subs make me feel perfect physically but I feel so dead mentally, like nothing will ever give me the pleasure that opiates did. I remember when my boyfriend told me that when he was in rehab, he told his counselor and his mom that he was most scared of never "feeling that good again." I know how he feels. Drinking and smoking weed aren't as much fun as they used to be. I was already shy and socially awkward to begin with and now its worse because I feel like even more of an idiot when I try to talk to most people. When I'm high, anything is fun, from watching TV to sitting outside smoking cigarettes.
Oh and I cant forget that I am home for the summer on break from college, in this boring rural New England town that has a population of about 9000 and is 97.5% white (real statistics). I have 1 friend here who I still hang out with because I kinda lost touch with all the people I talked to in high school (my family moved here when I was 16). I decided to get rid of my Myspace because no one in college uses it, but for some reason people who never go to college use it a lot, and the people I hung out with never went to college.
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Blacked out on ambien last night and talked to a friend I used to do dope with.

We went to cop today.

Don't beat yourself over it, KC. As long as you don't go back to being dependent on opiates. A little slip here and the there is not such big deal.

I fucked up tonight too. My friend called me up and hooked me up with, 10 somas, 10 10mg percocets and 4 oc 20mg's. For a little amount of money. I'm just fucking so weak when it comes to opiates. Ugh it sucks. :X

I won't inject no more. I only swallow, plug, or sniff now. I'm proud of myself for leaving the needle. Not so proud of the slip ups, though.

We need to stay stong. easier said than done.:\

Peace
 
I've been off opiates for a while now, 30 days (which is really long by my standards). I've noticed though lately that I sneeze CONSTANTLY, like 3 or 4 times per day and sometimes twice in quick succession. I NEVER sneezed while I was using poppy tea, though I often noticed this effect near the end of my withdrawal cycle when I would stop. I thought this was something that would go away but it's been pretty consistent, maybe I just have allergies or something. It's really only gotten bad the last week or so though which is odd.

I still can't believe it, 1 month clean. I don't crave poppy tea constantly and I NEVER dream about it anymore. While I was in active addiction my dreams would often revolve around using it. Goes to show how much of an impact these drugs have on us if even our dreams revolve around it. I do occasionally entertain the idea of relapse but I think that's normal. I guess that I'm lucky I don't have any way of getting other opiates or I might have fucked up by now.
 
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