Heroin - nod , sleep , or nothing!

[mansonmanson]

A friend of a friend i care about seems to have a certain problem. He snorts heroin, and he gets it in a little brown bag off the street. His things is, everytime he takes it, he gets a dopey high and lies down , dreams for about 1 minute and then falls asleep and wakes up - feeling like he just slept his money spent on drugs away! He doesn't know what tod o whilst on heroin -
he wonders, do people take it and go for walks? lie in bed and watch t.v and try to dream?! make a couple of coffees to drink whilst on it?
Also - sometimes, 1 line does alot and sometimes - from the same batch and bag, and rock - it almost does nothing except make him close one of his eyes!
I want to know any tips or hints or smoothers for a fuller - better - snorted heroin experience , cause its sad seeing him spending all his money trying to find that high people are talking about , and as soon as he finds it he falls asleep and doesn't really remember it!!!! and when he wakes up - even if its after 30-60 minutes he doesn't feel very high or warm or euphoric - just odd and grogggy.
Please i am posting this on behalf of my friend, the moment he reaches this high then he can stop spending his money on this stuff.
Please help AFOF !

 

[Mora Fiend]

If that's how his heroin effects him his best bet is to quit taking it! That aside, yes there are a few tricks to enjoying the high a bit more if he is affected in that way.

1: After he snorts it have him get up and go for a walk around whatever you live in, apartment, building, just not up and down the stairs in case he nods out and falls over ya know.

2: Most people enjoy the nod from heroin and say it's the best part. Remember heroin (diacetylmorphine) only stays in your system as diacetylmorphine anywhere from 5 to 9 minutes before it gets converted to morphine by your body. That is usually the nod phase of heroin use.

3: The only other thing I can think of is this; if he is getting his heroin from the same source everytime and he's not feeling the effects that many others around here feel from snorting heroin then maybe he needs to change sources and get some other type. I am not saying go down the street asking people for heroin, but be honest with your source and explain to him you either need better dope, or you'll walk. Remember these people that sell it are in it for the money, they don't want to see a client walk from them and go 2 streets down.

Hope this info helped you out a little bit, tell your friend that heroin use is a really slippery slope. When I was snorting H back when I was 17 I promised myself I wouldn't ever inject it. Then I injected it and promised myself I would never do it again. Then I did it the next day and promised myself I wouldn't do it tomorrow. Then every 3 days, then every 1 day, then every day, but no more than 5 times a day....see what I mean? A junkie's mind can rationalize anything

 

[Pegasus]

I, too, find it is a very fine line with heroin between getting good effects and just going to sleep. It is hard with an impure drug period, but heroin is especially "noddy" which makes the margin for error even less.

You say that you snort your heroin and this is actually adding to the problem because when you snort heroin, it does not absorb all at once. Titrating to the proper dose becomes hard in this case since you'll absorb more after your initial strong effects. Still, it can be done, but it helps to know first about how strong your heroin is. Then, you can start at what you know is a smallish dose and work up if necessary.

The advice about being active is also helpful. If you feel that you're getting close to KO, walking around a bit will generally bring you down to earth a bit...

 

[Cane2theLeft]

Please stop the third person shit. We know its you. The cats out of the bag. Please direct basic effects questions to Basic Drug Discussion.




--->BDD

 

[Hennydots]

you are clearly getting subpar shit...get a new source!

 

[MACstar]

Opiates have always given me energy. IV Heroin for me is:
#1- RUSH
#2- Burst of energy
#3- Itchy goodness and I'm off to work all bright eyed and bushy tailed.
#4- Another shot every 4 hrs.

Sometimes if I had a really good hit and I am just sitting still, watching a movie or something I will nod a lil bit.

But Dillly's get me nodding BAD. I LOVE the rush but after that I am just nodding for an hour, maybe two. I remember one time I did a nice fatty shot of D and walked to the store. Man, I was nodding WHILE I was walking! That was a bit much for me. But I had my headphones on listening to some Deftones and it was kinda fun in that dreamy state.

 

[n y m u s]

ive been doing heroin (IV for the better part of the two years) for two years, and to me there is no high that compares to it. i get very decent black tar tho, not some brown bag of cocoa mix from the pjs. (nothing against the projects, they got coke down, but they suck at heroin.

 

[sunshinesometimes]

fuck yeah to Deftones MACstar

 

[cosmicjive]

I'm not sure where you're from or what kind of dope you are (or your friend) is getting (the fact that you say "whilst" as opposed to "while" suggests to me that you're from the UK or Ireland), but most forms can be made into a nasal spray. You might find this works better for you than just snorting the powder or the chunky bits because a spray allows you to distribute the drug more evenly around your nostrils. I have a feeling that what is happening is that you are not titrating your doses very well...because you really can't with chunky gunk. As someone mentioned, it doesn't absorb all at once; the chunks break up and dissolve slowly (assuming you're not swallowing them altogether) and the finer powder gives you an instant big, fat blast of dope that may be causing you to nod too much. IMO the key to snorting (and plugging or swallowing too) is to cover as much surface area of the nasal canal as possible and as evenly as possible.

You can probably find a good recipe for making a nasal spray (better than mine) here or elsewhere on the Web, but I'll let you in on my little nasal spray secret (I exaggerate...it's not really a secret)

1. Empty and thoroughly clean any kind of nose spray bottle (such as Afrin) or eye drop bottle (you can also you a little dropper and any kind of vessel, but I find the Afrin bottle to be most convenient as you can put it any old place and it won't leak). Do make sure the bottle is really clean...excess Afrin in the bottle may help to open up the mucous membrane and therefore increase the amount of dope that gets in your system, but it also dries everything out and eventually anything you put up your nose will cause it to burn and bleed. And as for putting eye drops in your nose...well, who nose? JK...I'm a sucker for stupid pun. But really, eye drops are for eyes.

2. Find a small vessel in which to liquefy your dope. I always use one of those little silver bowls that restaurants put salad dressing in. How you do this depends on the dope. Where I'm from it's always BTH. I don't do anything fancy...I just eyeball the amount I need and mix it with 1ml of cold water and continue from there till I get the desired amount. (I will say that it's best not to make too much at one time; you don't want your dope sitting around in lukewarm water for days and days. Doing intranasal dope certain decreases the risk of infection, but I imagine that if you had a little cut in your nose and introduced the right amount of bacteria into it, you could develop a nasty little infection.) As I was saying...you'll want to weigh out or eyeball how much you usually snort and take into consideration how it's processed (powder, tar, etc.) when deciding how much water to use (also, depending where you are in the world, you may need to an acid to break it down; if this is the case, you may want to worry about Ph as well...I don't know if the added citric acid will increase the burn, but I imagine it will). Start slow with the water...adding too much too fast will really dilute your dope; remember, it's going up your nose, so the smaller the dose, the better.

3. Using a small funnel or funnel like contraption pour the now liquefied dope into your Afrin bottle (if you don't have a small funnel waxed paper works okay; just make a little cone out of it and stick the small end in the bottle). Remember, you don't need to fill up the bottle. I usually only make enough for one dose; however, I administer the dose via several squirts from the bottle over time.

4. Shake the bottle vigorously each time before you squirt it into your nose. The Afrin bottle works like an atomizer; ideally you should be getting a fine-ish mist of liquid each time you squirt it into your nose. If you are not getting a fine-ish mist, you may need to filter out the particulates in the water before pouring it into the Afrin bottle. To do this, I just draw the liquid through a cotton ball with a syringe (with a needle attached), much the same as you would do if you if you were going to prep a syringe for injection. If you can't get syringes where you live, I'm not sure what to do. I guess you could try filtering the liquid through a small piece of porous cloth or mesh, but be really careful...you don't want too much of your solution to be absorbed by the cloth. Because you're not actually I'ving the solution, you don't need to be overly worried about particulates...you just want to be sure you're getting a fine a mist as possible while avoiding clogging up the spray bottle tip.

5. Don't forget to titrate. Start slow and go from there until you find your desired level of dopeness. If you find that you're still not getting as even a dose or as strong a high (though this doesn't really seem to be the problem) try putting rubbing alcohol on a Q-Tip and then lightly swab each nostril. This should help dry up the mucous membrane, thus assisting absorption of the solution. However, as with too much Afrin, this will really dry up your nose, so don't overdo. Also, you might try tipping your head back as you squirt it in and then gently plug your nose as you immediately right your head (you don't want to lose too much down your gullet).

6. Rinse and repeat! And, again, remember to shake well before each use.

I hope this helps you!

Best,
CJ