Heroin Heroin IV Total Newbie - Advice on How to Avoid OD

[pasha]

A message from the OP:

Hello Everyone

I cant thank people enough for their response on this thread. By reading all the comments submitted I can see there are many important messages for me to take on board before embarking on this adventure.

By reading what everyone has said it made me feel quite guilty as here I am potentially making a conscious choice to shoot heroin when there are people in this forum who for one reason or another moved onto IVing heroin and wished to death they never got there.

The advice given has made me pause and have a long and hard think about what I am about to do. I realise now I have quite a hefty amount and this could be enough to kill me or at least start me on a method of travel that I may very well regret in the future.

The gear has been shoved in a drawer for now whilst I have a long and hard think..

Once again everyone thank you very much for your extremely sympathetic and thoughtful replies. It really truly has been a great help and support to me.

TastyMud

 

[Psychedelic Jay]

A message from the OP:

In a drawer?

That never works for long.

Curious George is going to have this in the back of his mind, and tempt himself to have at it...

Not throwing it away + easy to use + escapist behavior = Overdose

Tried and true for centuries.

 

[anythingbutsober]

thesameoldfears, posts like yours made me join bluelight, to educate myself & to possibly help others.

that was an amazing post you put together, very informative & very mission-statement-oriented for the forum-- HARM REDUCTION

tastymud, you made the right choice. but i think you should throw all the stuff away, just my two cents

 

[midnight11]

Yeah, as everybody has said, you're pretty much destined to OD if you don't have an opiate tolerance, have 3 grams of heroin, are really depressed & on a cocktail of psych meds, and are arguably suicidal. I'm not going to tell you not to do it, or that you should immediately go to a shrink considering I highly doubt you're going to follow that type of advice, but seriously, the question should be How much can I do without ODing? NOT how much can I do before almost-ODing-except-not.

 

[bingey]

I am aware that opiate addiction is not ideal but at the same time I have nothing to live for in my depressed and miserable state so my plan is to go out living on a high. I have spent the last several years locked in my flat so I really dont care anymore. Due to my previous life I have enough money to fund my habit for several years to come.

I can tell you one thing , "those several years" are going to go by in a happy daze (If you don't od that is) and then you are going to have to develop a serious game plan because basically as a full blown junky you are going to have either to steal or to prostitute/your self ohers to keep that half-a-gram a day (assuming high quality afghan) going.


what ever happend to starting out with good old codeine? In my logic you can go from being euphoric on tramadol and or/codeine (and hydrocodone if you are living across the big pond) to morphine/oxycodone to heroin --> fentanyl , and the other way is not possible and also less fun because you don't get to find out about the subtle difference of different opiod effects (think of it as sampling different flavors of hapyness). So why start with heroin?


Oh and as others have mentioned once again you have a very decent chance of OD'ing

 

[Psychedelic Jay]

I can tell you one thing , "those several years" are going to go by in a happy daze (If you don't od that is) and then you are going to have to develop a serious game plan because basically as a full blown junky you are going to have either to steal or to prostitute/your self ohers to keep that half-a-gram a day (assuming high quality afghan) going.

This is reality for very few people...

Most people who prostitute themselves only do so if their occupation is terminated, or they were prostituting before they had a habit...

Stealing is a totally different thing in this case I agree.

 

[dankJ]

i am the last person in the world who has the right to lecture and/or judge someone about using drugs....nor do i feel compelled to because i know first-hand the demons that lead to, come with, and follow an addict. Therefore, I can and will only share MY experiences.

I am a junkie. no 2 ways about it. i am not proud of it nor do i enjoy it, but that is the reality of my life as it currently is. From first popping a little 5mg painkiller once in awhile, to snorting them, to making it a daily habit, to building my tolerance sky-high to where was snorting hundreds of mg's a day, to switching to dope, to picking up that needle...has directly led to where i am at today. and that is nowhere. i have completely destroyed my life. And it was a pretty damned good one too. I used to have money, my own place, a nice car, my dream job, a great relationship with my parents, a great girlfriend, great friends, a great band, great opportunities, great prospects and outlook on life, and just all around happy. Becoming an addict has cost me ALL of those things and so much more. Today i have nothing. Absolutely nothing. I had always considered myself a very moral person who was a strong believer in karma...but my addiction led me to do things that i am incredibly ashamed of time and time again. I can hardly live with myself. I can hardly look at myself in the mirror. My whole existence centers around dope. getting the money for it, finding it, and doing it. going to bed...only to wake up the next day to repeat the cycle. thats IT.

I could go on for pages and pages about it...but I believe the point has been made. And I would bet that the vast majority of addicts/junkies can relate a similar tale of how they got from there to here. It is not pretty. It is not fun. And it is not something that *MIGHT* happen if you get hooked on dope. It WILL happen...the only variable is how long it takes you to get to the bottom of that bottomless pit. Starting down that path was very easily the single worst mistake of my life, and i have to live with that regret for the rest of my life. I have to forever live with the actions and things i have done feeding my addiction. there is no escaping it. there is no running from it. its there. will always BE there. It is not a pretty path. Was a fun path for awhile, but that 'fun' quickly goes away. And is replaced with nothing but misery and desperation.

I see your foot in the air ready to start down that path...and i only urge you to give it a long hard thought about setting down that path before you put your foot down. There is no happy ending. There is no pot of gold at the end of that path. There is no glory, no happiness, no golden ticket, no peace. That path is filled with nothing but pain, regret, and lost opportunities.

Oh and lastly...if you struggle with depression now....adding a monkey on your back as big as opiate addiction will just multiply that many times over. Will make that depression SOOOOO much worse.

I wish you luck.

 

[dankJ]

shew...now, after facing my reality for several minutes while i typed that out...i have managed to completely depress the shit out of myself lol. again...nothing good comes from heading down that path.

 

[Znegative]

Check out The Beginners Guide to Heroin.

Concerning your question about what would be the MAX dose to take without overdosing, I posted the quote below which came from the thread I placed a link to above:

I am thinking of switching from oxycodone to heroin due to costs or other reasons. How much heroin do I need to use?

This is a question that gets asked a lot, and from a harm reduction point of view, it's very hard to say. However, their are ways to ensure that you will not die from your first time using heroin (assuming that your dope is not cut with another super potent opiate, which is always a risk.)

• As was mentioned earlier, Heroin is 2-3x more potent than morphine. The easiest wayb to get an estimate as to how much heroin you would need (assuming that your gear is 100% pure- which it is not), is to first calculate it by converting your oral oxycodone dosage (which has a very high BA, around 80% ) and multiply it by .8.
  
  
• (This step is unnecessary if you are injecting your oxycodone, since then you would already know pretty much exactly the amount you were consuming given the 100% BA)
  Okay, so now you know that it takes 48 mg to catch a nice buzz off of oxycodone. Now the next step is to equate 48mg to an IV morphine dosage. IV morphine is approximately 2x more potent than oxycodone. Therefore, and equipotent dose would be 24mg of I.V. Morphine.
  
• Now the final step.. Heroin is 2-3x stronger than morphine. To be on the safe side, we'll assume that its 3x more potent. Therefore, we'll divide the equipotent dose of morphine (24mg) by 3, which would result in 8 mg. So assuming that your heroin is pure, it would take roughly 8mg of I.V diacetylmorphine to achieve the same buzz that 60 mg of oral oxycodone would give you. However, we also must take into account the different bioavailability's of heroin, as most people are not going to be jumping straight to the needle.
  
  
  
  [*]I.V: 100%
  [*]Insufflation: 50-70%
  [*]Inhalation: 45%
  ​

So depending on how you plan on using the heroin, you multiply the dose by the BA's %, and weigh that out on a scale.

You will almost certainly need to use more than whatever calculated dosage you are getting, but given the rare chance that you obtain some highly pure heroin, following this calculation method should keep you from overdosing, and allowing you to gauge safely how much you need to use, and how pure your heroin is.

What is the safest way to use heroin?

There is no safe way to use heroin. You never know how your body will react to the substance if you're naive, and you never know how pure your heroin is, unless you're lucky enough to get pharmaceutical grade smack. However, I.V is by far the most dangerous and holds the highest risk for overdose. Insufflation and Inhalation are safer alternatives, and inhalation will give a more similar "rush" to the IV ROA. Oral is not a common ROA for heroin, as it is pretty pointless, since you might as well just take some morphine, since heroin acts as a prodrug for only morphine, as opposed to morphine and 6-monoacetylmorphine.

So I understand this doesn't completely answer your question, but you can use this method to give you an idea as to how much heroin you can probably handle by calculating a dose thats approximately equivalent to another opiate. Of course the problem in this situation, is that you claim you've never used opiates or Opioids before, much like me. Since this is the case I recommend throwing your smack down the toilet, flushing it, and never considering heroin again. However, if you're determined, YOU MUST NOT INJECT HEROIN THE FIRST TIME

Asides from swallowing it, the best you could do is to make sure you have a scale, and just do like, one 5mg bump and wait 30 minutes to see how that effects you. There's no way of knowing the purity of your heroin, but if its good, and you have no opiate tolerance as you claim, 5mg would achieve notable effects. I'm not saying you'll be nodding, and if the stuff is cut to hell you certainly wont feel it, but please, start off low, and do not jump straight to shooting. The Max amount of heroin i would recomend a naive user to insufflate would be 10-15mg, and then wait at least an hour and a half before taking anymore.

 

[LSDMDMA&AMP]

why would you buy 3g the first time you're gonna try it?
do you know like NOTHING about the whole "heroin WILL kill you quick if you're unlucky one day IF you know what you're doing, and if you dont, then it will kill you real quick if you dont learn how to do it right and all that....

thats about what a not skimpy (but not fat either, thats just in the normal range that bags come in in terms of amount, thats about like maybe average at best, around here in a small city our stamps have more than that most of the time even.....but maybe its that finely chopped down, idk, when i used to sniff I wouldnt chop it down that much...)
ANYWAY
thats what "one bag" of heroin loosk like that you will see in the northeast US, right, BOTH of those lines is about a bag worth, no more than a bag worth tops, probably like 3/4 of a good bag worth at that even i'd say, at least the bags here locally.
If you havent done opiates, SNIFF a half bag worth (if you're asking me how much to do that is) and wait about 15-20 minutes and if you want to sniff more, sniff no more than another quarter or half bag.
like you see how TINY those lines are dude? both of those lines are maybe like if i had to guess, 65-70mg of dope. You have 3g. You only need to sniff a little tiny line to start and if it isn't dogshit dope (or scramble. but yours isnt scramble) then that should have [pretty good effects if you've never done opiates/arent tolerant.
I know the first time i did it i did way more than necessary and got absoultely trashed. You probably will too. You'll probably get sick (as in vomiting from being too high) the first few times too.

That and for me diesel was an acquired taste. The more i did it the more i liked it and at first, i wasn't really thinking it was that fun to do, shit i was only doing it at first because i COULD and i had money to blow for the first time in my life.
wish i never got into the diesel personally.

 

[Reverend Random]

This is such a painfully terrible idea. With no opiate tolerance, it's just about impossible to safely iv heroin.

(...)
Just please reconsider. You will get addicted, money will run out, the drug trafficking websites couls get shut down, you could be arrested, you could die. If all of that sounds fine, at least educate yourself.

And with everything in between (didn't want to megaquote), this guy's post says it all. (To the poster: awesome post, nickname and avatar! )

Suppressing mental health issues only makes them worse in the end, as everyone on BL with a bit of experience will probably tell you, I'm afraid. Besides, having read all posts, I don't think there's anything I can add that hasn't been said already. If there's one thing I've learned from heroin users over the years, it's that they all say they wished they'd never gone down that path.

I think it's excellent that you've reconsidered... but. Keeping that shit in a drawer is very alluring. I'd also throw it away, since you claim to have enough money as is, you can always buy more later if you really have to.

Personally I do believe that psychedelics might be able to get you out of your dark place, but in your situation it sounds like I wouldn't do it without professional or very experienced supervision and someone to help you integrate your experiences. Man, I feel for you, but I agree with everybody else that adding an addiction to your problems is the worst thing you can do. It'll make everything worse on every imaginable account, in the not-so-distant future. Take care dude.

 

[opiatekrzy]

if this heroin is as good as you claim, then snorting even a match head size bump is risk for overdose/death..heroin is so potent in pure form, a microdot is all it takes to send you to the freezer at your local hospital

 

[opiatekrzy]

why would you buy 3g the first time you're gonna try it?
do you know like NOTHING about the whole "heroin WILL kill you quick if you're unlucky one day IF you know what you're doing, and if you dont, then it will kill you real quick if you dont learn how to do it right and all that....

thats about what a not skimpy (but not fat either, thats just in the normal range that bags come in in terms of amount, thats about like maybe average at best, around here in a small city our stamps have more than that most of the time even.....but maybe its that finely chopped down, idk, when i used to sniff I wouldnt chop it down that much...)
ANYWAY
thats what "one bag" of heroin loosk like that you will see in the northeast US, right, BOTH of those lines is about a bag worth, no more than a bag worth tops, probably like 3/4 of a good bag worth at that even i'd say, at least the bags here locally.
If you havent done opiates, SNIFF a half bag worth (if you're asking me how much to do that is) and wait about 15-20 minutes and if you want to sniff more, sniff no more than another quarter or half bag.
like you see how TINY those lines are dude? both of those lines are maybe like if i had to guess, 65-70mg of dope. You have 3g. You only need to sniff a little tiny line to start and if it isn't dogshit dope (or scramble. but yours isnt scramble) then that should have [pretty good effects if you've never done opiates/arent tolerant.
I know the first time i did it i did way more than necessary and got absoultely trashed. You probably will too. You'll probably get sick (as in vomiting from being too high) the first few times too.

That and for me diesel was an acquired taste. The more i did it the more i liked it and at first, i wasn't really thinking it was that fun to do, shit i was only doing it at first because i COULD and i had money to blow for the first time in my life.
wish i never got into the diesel personally.

i live in buffalo, and that picture is accurate, however quality is so poor, me and various people in my area need atleast 4 bags to feel nice..then again you may buy 4 bags the next week, and one of those bags can be as potent as 10 bags, there is no good way to really tell how pure shit ur getting off the streets...obvously since u have it in grams, its more purer than the stamped bags, so be very careful