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Heroin: How many toot and how many shoot?

Preferred ROA for heroin?

  • Chase

    Votes: 13 44.8%

  • Shoot

    Votes: 14 48.3%

  • Other- indicate in thread

    Votes: 2 6.9%
  • Total voters
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^ Ah fucking hell Gizmo. That just made me cry. reading caring words written about me made me crumble. I actually first smoked heroin 4 years ago, but only restarted 9 months ago yeah. I'm not sure how things spiraled so fast, but I do know that i've always gone straight in with both feet with things, and anything that offers me escape from reality, i'll grab on to with both hands. I've not been deeply happy with myself for a long time. Then there's the friends I keep. Some of them good, some of them bad. When I started pinning, I ended up getting involved with a boy who was bad for me, he's now in Jail. I still hang around with his best friend, who is getting deeper and deeper into a bad situation, using 10 items a day as he gets them for free. It was this friend who first ever put a needle to my arm, after i asked him to, I can now do it myself. This is something that he has admitted to me hebeats himself up over, as he's seen how flat out i've been in the past month. However, I asked him to do it. Also, as a fellow user, he probably did have junkie mentality and knew that getting me using, would benefit him as we always raise cash, and use together, and it's easier working with someone.

I've descended fast yes. With 3 arrests in 2 or 3 months, I'm currently on bail (2nd time in three months :( ) . I'm PrAYING that they put me on a Drr , as if i tell the truth, no matter how much i try to kid myself htat i've cut down, i'm still actually fucking FLAT OUT and I need supervision!

In 3 months, I have developed Hepatitis C. Death Sentence! I know users who have been pinning for years, and have either have never developed it, or took longer than 3 months to get it. I don;t know what genoype I have yet, or what my viral load is yet. I'm waiting on that bad news. I just hope I only have one type, not two, though I have a horrible feeling it could be both, as my body isn't fighting it, and I suffer a lot of side effects on a daily basis. I also think I know who gave me it, as one person I know, really didn't want me to get my results, as he said he didn't think I was mentally prepared, and I read a text message he sent from my phone, mentioning liver disease. Ive stopped drinking alcohol, as my LFT count was very high, so I'm showing early signs of liver damage, and the hep c will speed that up if I keep drinking.

I have court in 2 weeks, and hopefully I'm going into 14 days rehab, as at the moment i'm just running to stand still.

You only learnt to read and write recently? What an amazing thing. I always wanted to teach adults to read and write, I still do. I'd love to be able to open up the world for someone like that.
I just never could afford the course to do it, though if I think about how much I've been spending on crack and smack a day, ( 100 quid) I could have done anything I wanted....
 
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Don't worry too much about Hep C, Cherry. Unless you hit the drink hard you won't notice it for decades. It's by no means untreatable - I got rid of mine in my late fifties - and by the time you show any symptoms there'll be better treatments.

I can imagine how your friends feel. There's nothing worse than seeing a pretty woman going down the tubes and wondering if you served as a bad role model. But maybe you're having more fun, on some level, than you would have elsewhere. Once it gets a little easier and you're closer to yourself, the lessons learned in hard times will stand you in good stead. See what happens in 14 day detox - and make sure they also provide aftercare and won't leave you in unsuitable accommodation. There's always something round the corner, life doesn't give up on you that easily. You've plenty changes to come and a long way to go yet.
 
^ Yeah, the thing is the Nurse seems to think that i've had it longer than 3 months. She it's unusual to test positive in the first three months of contracting it, and I had only been pinning for two months when I got the positive result. It's only in the past two months that I've cut my drinking down to almost nothing, Id been hitting booze very hard for a long time. We'll just have to see what comes back when I get more liver tests done.

Thank you for your reassurance :)
 
i've also beat Hep C . I had interferon treatment n am know free of it. mind the treatment is pretty nasty n can make you feel ill , but imo is worth the sacrifice in the end.

you can catch it from a one of exposure from aa dirty needle or something but also it can be as the result of heavy drinking over a number of years.

One of the tricky things abouit it is the incubation period , it can be as long as 3 months , so theirs little point in getting tested unless you have been living clean ( away from possible infection ) for this period .
 
The Hep C treatment isn't much fun, is it? Especially if it coincides with someone trying to take your script away, but that's another story. I began 'tweaking' my doses after 12 weeks of my 24 week 'genotype 3' course and abandoned it altogether after 18. But I was lucky and cleared the virus anyway. (some physicians argue for a 12 or 16 week course in certain cases) If you've the genotype 1 of the virus, more common in the US but far from unknown here, the interferon/ribavirin course is for 48 weeks, which really will knock the stuffing out of you. But, like Brimz says, it's worth it. A kinder, inerferon free treatment with high trial success rate is in the pipeline and will be available in 5-8 years.

Hep C is a bloodborne virus and highly virulent. If you're scratched by a HIV/HCV+ spike, you're 40 times more likely to catch the hep C than the HIV. So, yes, it only takes a single incident to infect you. Can be sexually transmitted if there's blood and a route of transmission like a scratch. Alcohol itelf doesn't cause it - it's a virus - but sharing cans often involves the passing of tiny bits of blood via cuts on lips or mouth and you can be infected that way. The same is true of smack smokers sharing 'tooters' and crack fans at the same pipe.

What the virus does is repeatedly to attack the liver and force it to produce antibodies to resist the invader. Thus weakened, you're more vulnerable to cirhossis, cancer and other liver disease as you get older. Symptoms do not usually appear until your 50s or 60s and there's an average of 20 years between infection and diagnosis; it's estimated up to 80% of sufferers are unaware they carry the virus. Alcohol abuse can turn it into a serious problem earlier.

Hepatitis C is called 'the hidden killer'. With the first cases diagnosed in the eighties and the 20-30 years before symptoms show, it's only recently that heptology departments have been swamped by endgame patients. If all else fails (the success rate for the interferon treatment is only 60% ), only a liver transplant stands between you and one of the most painful deaths you can imagine. Ten years ago, sufferers has a 50% of a transplant match being found before they died; now, they've less than one chance in a hundred. The macabre phenomenon of 'transplant tourism' - rich victims travel to rotten states with corrupt officials and involuntary convict 'donors' - has filled a market gap and become another ugly, not-quite-hidden reality of our unequal world. Money is poured into research and the hunt for a cure or vaccine. Some developments are promising but the virus constantly mutates and the big breakthrough remains elusive.

So be careful out there. Avoid other peoples' blood in any form, even in microscopic quantities, at all costs. If you've already been unluckily, treat your liver with even greater kindness. Avoid fatty and liver-unfriendly foods and, above all, liquor. Alcohol on its own increases your chance of liver disease multtifold; in combination with Hep C, it becomes a probability. Supplements such as milk thistle may help and there are several top class web sites that provide the information and any support you need.
 
No its not the most fun time i have had , at first it made me physically ill.
It took me about 20 weeks to get clear of it .

Apparently if you can get through the first couple of weeks then , you stand a far higher chance of completing the treatment.

Its not something i think you can undertake without being in a stable enviroment with regular meals and good standard of living . Looking back i'm amazed i managed to stick it out.


Very informative post Charlie , and the ways it can be transmitted as you pointed out are not always the ones that spring to mind , i've heard of transmission through snorting , by using the same bank note !
 
^ Which can be a symptom of hepatitis can't it as it's something attacking the liver. I've got liver disease, nah, the more I say it, it still don't seem real.

So this treatment then...if it can make you that physically unwell, how am I supposed to hold down a job?
 
Both for me. Toot and shoot. More the former than the latter though, by far.

I'm pretty cack-handed (to the point where I can easily fuck up tooting if I haven't used in a while) so I tend not to shoot myself if I can help it. Some people will do it, others refuse. It's up to them. I think it's the most satisfying ROA but not so captivating that I'd give up smoking, especially with the damage that street gear does. That said, I can see why people end up getting needle fixations alright.
 
SamhainGrim said:
Both for me. Toot and shoot. More the former than the latter though, by far.

I'm pretty cack-handed (to the point where I can easily fuck up tooting if I haven't used in a while) so I tend not to shoot myself if I can help it. Some people will do it, others refuse. It's up to them. I think it's the most satisfying ROA but not so captivating that I'd give up smoking, especially with the damage that street gear does. That said, I can see why people end up getting needle fixations alright.
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Hello Sam , look you came back at just the right time i 've made athread just for you , well i think you will like it ;)
 
cherrycolouredfunk said:
^ Which can be a symptom of hepatitis can't it as it's something attacking the liver. I've got liver disease, nah, the more I say it, it still don't seem real.

So this treatment then...if it can make you that physically unwell, how am I supposed to hold down a job?
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yes it can , Interferon treatment can be unpleasant & you are not supposed to drink as it won't work properly. The side effects can vary but you can live with them , as i mentioned a balanced diet is one of the most important things .

But as bad as the side effects are , many folk just use em as an excuse to not bother or put it off , i did for a while ,
 
Can you get Hep C from sharing 'snorting' devices? Whatever it is, I never share tubes for that reason, I dont think enough people know it.... and I think for K heads it could develop into a real problem.... cus when your on K you dont really care.... and I dont think the information is really out there. People know to never share needles, and I think the awareness needs to grow of not sharing tubes?! :\
 
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Can you get Hep C from sharing 'snorting' devices? Whatever it is, I never share tubes for that reason, I dont think enough people know it.... and I think for K heads it could develop into a real problem.... cus when your on K you dont really care.... and I dont think the information is really out there. People know to never share needles, and I think the awareness needs to grow of not sharing tubes?! :\
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For the record, I've never ever shared a needle. Yes, you can catch Hep C from sharing snorting tubes. Infected blood can be present on bank notes, and it can remain alive in dried blood outside the body for quite some time.
 
cherrycolouredfunk said:
Infected blood can be present on bank notes, and it can remain alive in dried blood outside the body for quite some time.
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There've been cases where cleaners turned up Hep C+ and the only plausible explanation was contact with dried blood; in a couple of cases, it's believed inhalation of minute quantities of dried blood was responsible.
 
^ Yeah, it can only take a drop. I used to work in a bio chemistry lab in a hospital, I'd handle HIV and Hep blood on a daily basis. One time I accidently smashed a test tube that contained HIV and Hep blood, I wasn't wearing gloves. I was tested for HIV and Hep afterwards, and was negative, but it does make me wonder.
 
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