ehh not really in my case, i used to drink alcohol on weekends until it stopped being fun and years later i snorted heroin, it was a lot of fun one night..i went to a fair with my buddy and it was a very relaxing, enjoyable high..i looked at heroin the same way most guys enjoy beer on the weekend but then the physical withdrawals started creeping into the weekdays and it became a problem..you either start using every day or quit..
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Opioids Heroin-How Long before it became a problem?
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ehh not really in my case, i used to drink alcohol on weekends until it stopped being fun and years later i snorted heroin, it was a lot of fun one night..i went to a fair with my buddy and it was a very relaxing, enjoyable high..i looked at heroin the same way most guys enjoy beer on the weekend but then the physical withdrawals started creeping into the weekdays and it became a problem..you either start using every day or quit..
the Law and the fact that your entire life will star to revolve around buying heroin or getting the money to buy heroin..strangely enough this is due directly to the laws themselves, if heroin were legal and readily avail at any walgreens with a script, im sure many people could maintain their habits for much longer without problems, or could they?
lolwhatzdrugs
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You do have a solution, just in Europe though....
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heroin-assisted_treatment
And see:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supervised_injection_facilities
Yeah, Ive wondered the same thing about multi millionaire celebs and musicians...you would think they could maintain any level of addiction for years and years, since they can easily afford it. Before I heard about Phillip Seymour Hoffman dying from a Heroin OD, I assumed Celebs like him probably had to pay alot more for junk than the common man, since the risk level goes up when dealing with a celeb, who is always being followed by paparazzi and others, but the news said when Hoffman died, he had recently taken out $1200. from his bank acct and he had 70 bags of H, (1 gram each bag), so seems he was only paying under $20 per gram...?? WTF? Theres NO way, even a celeb could get it that cheap (unless he bypassed a bunch of middle men), but Id think youd pay more than that even if you bought it in southeast Asia or some other area it was grown and produced!?
I used heroin almost a decade everyday and I never missed a day at work I worked 11 hours a day 6 days a week working forestry for 8 years and functioned everyday. I always thought since i function and I don't beg people for money i don't need to quit. I eventually realised I didn't want to just function everyday I wanted a life. Didn't want to go to jail for selling heroin either which was the only way I could afford a 8 ball a day habit
joonya77
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My wife and I started using everyday from the word go. No tolerance breaks, a dealer willing to let us run up a bill to $7000 (you mean you give me the drugs now and I'll pay you later? OK!), borrowing money on Monday after payday (she makes $100,000/yr. I make half that, but it's all cash). We've both been addicted to alcohol and cocaine previously, so it was a problem from the word go. Here we are 5 years later, in a codependent relationship, in hock up to our goddamned eyeballs, and an ape the size of King Fucking Kong on our backs. It took me 4 years to start missing work due to dope sickness, going to cop drugs instead of working. It took my wife maybe half that time. The w/d's seem to it her harder, faster.
the media is infamous for getting drug info wrong or blowing it way out of proportion..so PSH supposedly had 70 grams on him, that is a very large amount, i imagine hed get a nice bulk discount..i would love to know how long 70 grams would have lasted him?he also had withdrawal meds around too so i just have to wonder how a very wealthy guy like PSh runs into problem with heroin?i guess problems come into play when he has to travel or fly somewhere..
Phil Anselmo from Pantera basically had it worked where he had the heroin delivered to him every night to his home out in the middle of nowhere..2 bundles every day which was around 2 grams i believe... Anselmo basically gives an interview on youtube about his habit but he never describes where it goes wrong or why he has to quit...i guess they simply get tired of the reclusive lifestyle?
as for that heroin clinic, what sucks about it is its worse than a methadone clinic..you have to go 3 times a day so your life completely revolves around it..id love to kno how functional those peoples live are that go to the clinic..
heres the question though, how did you not let tolerance get out of control?you mean to tell me there were never times when you couldnt meet up with your dealer, thus leaving you dopesick?what did you do then?just going by the people i know, even the upper class addicts, they eventually started missing work due to their habit..
i think the main things that kind of hurt heroi addicts now is they have such easy access to subuxone and methadone so when they cant get dope they just use subuxone for a few days or methadone..its like a 'get out of jail free' card..then again, it also keeps many friends i know from ever quitting..
why dont you guys jump on methadone or subuxone?while you still have your jobs!
adder
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When I started heroin, I had already been having a problem with morphine. I just lost a good source of it. I was on methadone in no time really, a month later after the first heroin hit. And that soon became an even bigger problem which I luckily got rid of two years (it's going to be in August this year). I'm now on Suboxone maintenance which is the closest I've been to sobriety in the last 10 years. I've pretty much wasted my life before it even began to happen.
tricomb
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When it became something everyone I hungout with was going hard at.
N I think that heroin is overrated, and since the west gets heroin in tar form, it's really easy to say "screw that shit I am not putting this into my body let alone via injection." I am sure I would love pharmaceutical grade diacetylmorphine but I haven't ever had that and I highly doubt that it'll be marketed here unlike those several countries in Europe who are vastly superior in terms of their research and treatment of addiction and maintenance and recovery etc. And even in those countries the number of people prescribed it are usually a fraction of the total number of people on maintenance.
Seen it listed online in sketchy places on the "other side" of the internet but heroin never really was a problem for me. if I were raised in Brooklyn then I probably would feel much different. But even good tar heroin is still... TAR heroin, and I didn't LC/MS test the solution after micron filtration but to the naked eye it still looked like something too gross for me to put in my body via IV, and when I used heroin that was pretty much the only ROA I'd use justifying it with "if im using this and this is going to go in my body, it better be worth it."
But it rarely was worth it, and I have always been obsessive about the purity of stuff I put in my body, (again, especially via IV) so I pretty much stick stick to pharmaceuticals. Not to condone the use of pharmaceuticals instead, but I just like knowing exactly what I am putting in my body, exactly how much of it is actually the active ingredient you have vs the original form it was in, you have access to the lists of every inactive ingredient and whether it is water soluble and if so how soluble are they, what's the approximate size of the particle so I know what form of micron filter(s) I'll want to use to filter out the insolubles and hopefully inactives.
It's just too risky, especially when you have a high tolerance to opioids cuz you've been using them most your life, I just find that sticking to pharmaceuticals and knowing that what I'm doing is what I think, plan, and intend to be doing. I don't like the russian roulette of "this bag could be bunk, or it could contain a tiny chip off a kilo that wasn't homogenized properly with the adulterants prior to resale, and this next shot could be too pure, and be the one that kills me.
N I think that heroin is overrated, and since the west gets heroin in tar form, it's really easy to say "screw that shit I am not putting this into my body let alone via injection." I am sure I would love pharmaceutical grade diacetylmorphine but I haven't ever had that and I highly doubt that it'll be marketed here unlike those several countries in Europe who are vastly superior in terms of their research and treatment of addiction and maintenance and recovery etc. And even in those countries the number of people prescribed it are usually a fraction of the total number of people on maintenance.
Seen it listed online in sketchy places on the "other side" of the internet but heroin never really was a problem for me. if I were raised in Brooklyn then I probably would feel much different. But even good tar heroin is still... TAR heroin, and I didn't LC/MS test the solution after micron filtration but to the naked eye it still looked like something too gross for me to put in my body via IV, and when I used heroin that was pretty much the only ROA I'd use justifying it with "if im using this and this is going to go in my body, it better be worth it."
But it rarely was worth it, and I have always been obsessive about the purity of stuff I put in my body, (again, especially via IV) so I pretty much stick stick to pharmaceuticals. Not to condone the use of pharmaceuticals instead, but I just like knowing exactly what I am putting in my body, exactly how much of it is actually the active ingredient you have vs the original form it was in, you have access to the lists of every inactive ingredient and whether it is water soluble and if so how soluble are they, what's the approximate size of the particle so I know what form of micron filter(s) I'll want to use to filter out the insolubles and hopefully inactives.
It's just too risky, especially when you have a high tolerance to opioids cuz you've been using them most your life, I just find that sticking to pharmaceuticals and knowing that what I'm doing is what I think, plan, and intend to be doing. I don't like the russian roulette of "this bag could be bunk, or it could contain a tiny chip off a kilo that wasn't homogenized properly with the adulterants prior to resale, and this next shot could be too pure, and be the one that kills me.
That can create more problems than a heroin addiction (methadone addiction)...I know this all too well!
Its just trading one opiate for another, the addiction is still there though.
i disagree, sure you are trading an illegal opiate for a legal opiod but being on maintenance is a much more practical lifestyle than scoring heroin on the street...the cost in terms of money and time arent even comparable!with subuxone, you get a months supply at a time, you take your dosage in the morning and you are set, no worry about being dopesick or having the money to score..this guy and his wife are making good money and spending much of it on dope, that can be changed..i always recommend anyone going on methadone or subuxone to have a time limit to get off though..do not stay on it longer than 6 months to a year..
Mr.Scagnattie
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Not really. You're confusing addiction for physical dependency. The dependency will still be there with maint drugs, but the mental addiction, the aspect that really makes people relapse and struggle, can go away or get a lot better at least. That is the point of maintenance. You take a med to keep you physically well and deal with cravings, while you build your life up, and learn ways to stay sober, deal with cravings, etc.
Just because you're dependent on something physically, doesn't mean you are addicted to it in the way you were your DOC, with the intense mental cravings and compulsion to use it having nothing to do with the physical addiction.
Is maint like methadone/bupe perfect? No. Of course, being totally clean is ideal.. but if that is not working for you, if you're not able to do it, and the only other option is actively using and living the addict lifestyle.. then maintenance is a really good alternative. It is 10x better than being on the street, committing crimes for cash, not being able to hold down a job, being sick all the time, etc.
So, chemically speaking, and physically speaking yes.. it is just "trading" one opiate for another..but mentally/psychologically... it is completely different.
Heroin is a really nasty addiction....when you can't get any dope! Life is hell when you're rattling. When I started IV heroin I was already addicted to opiates, though. My run with heroin is now over though, which lasted a few years, but I still use IV opioids.
In terms of when it really became a problem(when I was well and truly addicted), I'd say probably six months, maybe a little less.
Personally, subutex or methadone wouldn't work for me, I actually started taking opioids and heroin for physical PAIN which is medically well established. Addiction drugs aren't prescribed for what I have to deal with, although the idea of them sounds nice
In terms of when it really became a problem(when I was well and truly addicted), I'd say probably six months, maybe a little less.
Personally, subutex or methadone wouldn't work for me, I actually started taking opioids and heroin for physical PAIN which is medically well established. Addiction drugs aren't prescribed for what I have to deal with, although the idea of them sounds nice
I believe they found 70ish stamps with PSH, so closer to 7g, not 70g.
Anselmo said he cleaned up after a friend's od in the back of a car. That guy is known to be a storyteller from what I have read, also a bit obvious he has some brain damage. One thing he talked about which happens to a lot of people is eventually his whole day consisted of shooting dope, smoking, nods/sleep.
absolutlyamazing
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I started with percs, then 80s, then moved on to H. I remember about a week after i started IVing it (I sniffed it first) I felt really restless one night because i didn't use in a day or 2. I was like oh shit…
It takes a while for me to get sick though if I do at all. I was clean for 4 years but relapsed and use here and there with the exception of a few week long runs. Since I relapsed about 3-4 years ago I have been to detox once and I honestly think I would have been better off kicking at home. It was a methadone detox and I had never taken Methadone before. I had horrible back and shoulder aches and bad insommnia that lasted about 2 weeks after I went home. I wouldn't have detoxed so hard had I just kicked the H cold turkey like I usually do.
It takes a while for me to get sick though if I do at all. I was clean for 4 years but relapsed and use here and there with the exception of a few week long runs. Since I relapsed about 3-4 years ago I have been to detox once and I honestly think I would have been better off kicking at home. It was a methadone detox and I had never taken Methadone before. I had horrible back and shoulder aches and bad insommnia that lasted about 2 weeks after I went home. I wouldn't have detoxed so hard had I just kicked the H cold turkey like I usually do.
you are right about Anselmo kicking after his buddy ODed..as far as just sitting around getting high as all you do on heroin, its true...there is truth that when you have heroin, you dont need or want anything else..it definitely puts you in that very content bubble, you dont need to seek out enjoyment in that state..
tricomb
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It's one of the longest lasting epidemics in history. I bet heroin will be around until the end of mankind.