Heroin Heroin AFTER subs

[bomber]

I know taking subs too early after taking heroin is dangerous but is it also dangerous to take heroin somewhat soon AFTER subs?
I used subs the past days to quit heroin but today I'm thinking of taking my heroin left overs instead to avoid developing a bupe habit.
Is there a danger this ends bad?

 

[Allthewayalive]

Suboxone will block your opiate receptors for 24-48 hours. Meaning, you won’t get high. At all. I find at the 24 hr Mark I can catch a buzz, but I don’t get the full effects of h for a good day after my last dose of suboxone. That doesn’t mean you can’t overdose. So honestly, it’s a bad idea. Wait 24 hrs then do your h.

 

[cowboycurtis]

Ya definitely wait at least 24 hours or you’ll be sorely disappointed. I have a pretty high metabolism and I’d reckon I feel about 75% of a dose 24 hours after buprenorphine and about 36-48 hours before I feel 100% of my dose. I’ve heard of some people taking over 72 hours. The size of your buprenorphine dose will affect the timeline as well. I’m an IV user too so I’m not sure if it might take a little longer for other ROA’s. (Not recommending IV by any means. Stay well away if you’re not already doing it.) And don’t forget you can still OD!

I think your best bet might be to just stay on the buprenorphine though. You’re not going to get any less addicted to buprenorphine by skipping and using dope in between. If anything it’ll make your habit worse and that’s just an asinine excuse for getting high if you really want to be truthful with yourself.

 

[spookyaction]

Pretty much all been said. Depending on your dose/day/amount of days you've been taking it, and your body weight/metabolism, it's probably a good idea to wait. It sounds like you are trying to use heroin to get off the subs. I'm lucky enough to have never taken subs long enough to detox from them (that or I just kept hopping back and forth between heroin and subs so didn't notice). I'd advice avoiding the H all together.

If your goal is to quit, I'd just taper the subs. There's a good chance those "leftovers" might end up as a whole brand-new run and you'll end up back where you started or worse. If tapering off isn't possible, I managed to detox myself from heroin/fentanyl using DXM. Second/third plateau was enough to not notice my detox at all, I tended to go for high 3rd plateau for the fun of it though. Once I discovered DXM could help me detox, that was actually my first choice after every relapse, even over a detox center. Plus, I didn't have to worry about detoxing from my detox drugs, which was a huge plus in my book. I'm not saying you should do what I did, after all DXM can be addicting for some too. All I know is H is a terrible idea if your end goal is to quit.

EDIT: Wanted to add that if you decide to try the DXM detox, please research it a little first, especially if you have no experience with it. It's especially important to make sure you aren't on anything that would interact poorly with it (like antidepressants). Always be careful with what you put into your body, and don't trust anything anybody (even me) tells you 100%, except maybe a doctor (which I am not).