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Heroin Heroin addiction - dose dependant?

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acim

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I know, I know... Not another one of those threads with a naive opiate user thinking he won't get addicted... But anyway, I really want to try heroin. Some people love it, some hate it. Some can chip, some are hopelessly addicted. I have used opiates in the past before but only once every few weeks as they were never that euphoric or great to me (hydrocodone mostly). I have a naturally high tolerance as well. If one were to use a small dose of heroin so that the buzz mimicked a few Vicodin, would it necessarily be any more addictive than Vicodin?
 
The answer greatly varies from person to person, and quality of dope

Id say IV Heroin Beats just about anything out there ive tried.

But to get your specific buzz, your going to have to experiment with yourself on that one.....

Addiction is more created from how often/frequent you use.

Im doing anywhere from 1-6 points a day, mainly smoked. but i do get the IV in there whenever i get a chance.
 
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I thought that IV dilaudid gave the best rush IV, but didn't last long and opana gave a kick ass high that lasted a long time...does H still beat those?
 
If addiction is related to frequency of use, maybe a lower dose would cause one to be less impressed and therefore use less? I have no money to afford a habit anyway. Has anyone been able to stick to a strict schedule they made for themselves?

@Doug: Maybe the fact that heroin is more readily available and cheap makes it more addictive so somehow better. Just a thought. I've never dried hydromorphone or oxymorphone, only -codones
 
Ya...on payday, buy all the cigarettes/gas you're going to need, get drugs do them, rinse, repeat lmao...
 
In all truth, addiction is.... addiction. If you are consuming something occasionally -to- often because you enjoy the effects it gives you, chances are you are already addicted. Whether it be mild or severe.

In my case, i stuck to a schedule of only dosing about once a week, but when your playing with mother natures most forbidden fruit, high chance your logic is going to get chucked out the window because the desire for euphoria is almost certainly greater than willpower. In my case it was thats for sure.

you enjoy doing opiates?? if soo then try to understand that your addicted, but diddn't even know it.

then realize, thats how a long term opiate addiction starts..... before you even knew it began.

food for thought.

if i was you, id focus more on avoiding the withdrawls, more soo than addiction
 
acim,

but only once every few weeks as they were never that euphoric or great to me (hydrocodone mostly).
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Ok, so you only take them once every few weeks because you are not getting what you are looking for in that drug. What I read is, "once I find the drug that will set me free, I will be off and running with it!"

Like you, I also mainly used Hydrocodone, but I took an average of 3-10 a day for around 20 years. When I ran out for a couple of 2-3 days here and there I never felt any WD's. From 20-24 years I had more access to them at around 400 - 480 a month. From 24-25 years the script dropped down to 240 a month. I retired and moved then I couldn't find a doctor to write a script, so it was cold turkey. I still never really felt any WD's, other than a little more pain, no energy and kinda like the loss of a friend I was used to having around for 25 years.

During my quest for a script writing doctor my wife got me Tramadol over the net. This went on for maybe 5 months. Every month I ran out before the next script was sent. Strangest damn thing, I was sicker than hell about every 30 days. I didn't know WD's, so I thought it was maybe a parasite I got from the fish I caught and was eating...or from the catfish that stuck a spine DEEP into my thumb.

I'm now on #240 15mg Oxycodone a month that's going on 3 years. I usually run out a day or so early every month and get sick. After the first couple of months running out of the Oxycodone and getting sick, my dumb ass puts it together back to the Tramadol, this is no parasite, this is dope sick!

Look how many MORE YEARS and MORE of the Hydrocodone I've taken than you and it never really got me. I've never tried heroin because I KNOW without a doubt in my mind that I would run with it to the bitter end!!!

You seem to be looking HARD for a drug that will put you up where you belong...what happens when heroin is it? Are you only going to use it like the Hydro "THAT YOU NEVER GOT MUCH FROM IN THE PAST???" Let us know what dose that is you find that you'll get the, as you put it, "so that the buzz is mimicked as a few Vicodin". I don't know, but I don't think there would be one? Then every bag of street dope will be a little different. Maybe one of the "many naive junkies" that would never become one could enlighten us on what that dose is? I'm sure there is at least one out there! :)

Anyway, I'm not trying to be an ass. But like I said, look at me with the Hydrocodone all of those years and now I'm dependent/addicted to Oxycodone. I also get a lot more euphoria from the Oxycodone than I ever did from the Hydrocodone on it's best day, so that could be part of it. Well, let’s just say I used to get it from the Oxycodone, now it's just a pain killer and not get dope sick drug.


BTW, Doug2113, did you get my reply to your message?

Leaping Gnome
 
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Yes, but could you resend it; I didn't have the time to reply to it when I read it and have forgotten about it and deleted it since lol...
 
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Strangest damn thing, I was sicker than hell about every 30 days. I didn't know WD's, so I thought it was maybe a parasite I got from the fish I caught and was eating...or from the catfish that stuck a spine DEEP into my thumb.
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Sorry to interrupt this serious conversation, but this ^ cracked me up big time. My belly hurts now LOL.
 
I wouldn't do it. Especially since all you have really got off with has just been hydrocodones, man. Just ask a buddy to get you a half an opana and snort some of it here and there. I don't know your area but most places if you are new to the whole thing, they will rip you off with some cut shit. And nobody wants that. I wouldn't bother with it if I were you. And you don't want to be tempted to bang it depending on what form it is in and if whoever gets it for you doesn't try and prep it that way for you.
 
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acim,

What I read is, "once I find the drug that will set me free, I will be off and running with it!"

You seem to be looking HARD for a drug that will put you up where you belong...what happens when heroin is it? Are you only going to use it like the Hydro "THAT YOU NEVER GOT MUCH FROM IN THE PAST???"
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Thanks for all the replies and thanks for the advice!

In a way you are right and I admit it. I'm already addicted, psychologically, to drugs. Not necessarily opiates. I have a lot of self-control over them but I won't argue that all types of drugs are a regular part of my life, for better or worse. I am, like so many users, just trying to find the drug that will make my life normal or worthwhile again. Self-medication if you will. And opiates appear to do that for many, I'm just trying to avoid the downward spiral of withdrawals and giving up life for heroin. I don't mind psychological addiction. Undoubtedly, that is going to happen and may have already happened if I'm using opiates for fun. I can deal with life without drugs, as long as once every couple weeks I get a deserved vacation. Opiates seem to be the DOC for many people for just that purpose and after experimenting with all kinds of drugs that have worn me out so much, I just want to stick to one drug to chill out and keep it that way. Just like many drug users I know stopped everything and stuck to cigarettes, something they could depend on.

I think I worded this topic weirdly; I figured that since heroin is so much cheaper and easier to find than pharmaceutical opiates that I could simply replace them with heroin at a lower dosage. I was wondering therefore if addiction was dose-dependent, ie if taking minimal amounts of heroin via snorting or smoking would be equivalent in addiction potential and effect to less hardcore opiates, which I can manage quite well. Thinking it over, it seems now to be a rather dangerous idea, but I guess drug-lovers with minimal money try to get the most cost-effectiveness they can, and I guess I figured that would be heroin. I'll try to find something better to pass time with. I'll be honest, I don't understand how a drug can be so addictive (I've binged on plenty of hard drugs without even a small desire to do it again), but I hope I don't find out.

Thanks again, guys! Sorry if that didn't make much sense, I tried to explain it as well as I could but my body and brain have been frazzled from a sleepless night of coming down off of stimulants -- yet another reason I've decided to try to stick to opiates :P
 
acim said:
I was wondering therefore if addiction was dose-dependent, ie if taking minimal amounts of heroin via snorting or smoking would be equivalent in addiction potential and effect to less hardcore opiates, which I can manage quite well.
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It seems to me like your question has already been answered, but I would like to throw in my two cents real quick: In my opinion, if you're taking a dose large enough to experience the euphoria or high, then you're taking a dose large enough to become addicted to that substance.
 
Sorry to interrupt this serious conversation, but this ^ cracked me up big time. My belly hurts now LOL.
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InvisibleEye,

I'll be here all week from 7:00pm-11:00pm introducing new material nightly. Feel free to Email me for a back stage pass.

It does read pretty funny as I reread it! But with using Vicodin all of those YEARS/AMOUNT and not any real addiction to them, that's why it NEVER crossed my mind it was WD's from almost OTC Tramadol. Also, to get that SICK after maybe 25 days of taking them. Then the WD's set in 2 days right after I was impaled by a catfish that I caught. (That little sucker JUMPED up off the dock and stuck my thumb from the tip to the first joint. Talk about funny, picture a fish stuck to my thumb as I'm shaking it off! YouTube top 10 funny!) I did a little read and it sounded like getting sick could've came from its spine, or a parasite from it...either one can clear up and keep coming back.

Anyway, IMO, it was a pretty good way to give an example of how you can get away with one drug, and especially the one acim was using, and another one will drag you down before you know it!

Leaping Gnome
 
Doug2113,

It's no big thing, but like I said I wasn't used to using the BL message, so I was just checking.

Leaping Gnome
 
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