Bupe Heroin addict and Methadone user (Suboxone detox need help please)

[L0dgik]

Hi all.

Ok. I am a heroin user, have been for a number of years now, also I was on MDone maintenance for a long time
I quit that last week (Methadone) I have been using heroin (IV) up until about 30mins ago. Im doing a lot better feeling good looking good just still using, its weird I feel clean BUT IM NOT!

Also I will mention im a type one diabetic.

Ok, I have got suboxone there the 2.0mg sublingual pills.I want to start to use these starting 2moro.... I wanna be heroin n methadone free for good, sick to death with it!! Spent too many years of my life strung out!! I have 10 pills.

Can I get some help here or some links on how I should do this safely and correctly?

Im going doing this 2moro as soon as I start too get sick, well when im in W/D

Please someone give me some advice anything, I need it big time.


Thanks k, Hope to be back in the morning and
have some help as I need to do this. My life
my family's life need it!!

 

[effie]

Heya, welcome to BL and BDD. Congrats on deciding to kick heroin for good! As you have diabetes you really want to avoid WDs as much as poss as it could interfere with your blood sugar control, and if you were to become dehydrated you could find yourself in diabetic ketoacidosis - safest thing would be to do this under medical supervision really. Definitely keep a close eye on your sugars and hydration though and seek medical help quickly if you became unwell.

Anyway I'm going to move this thread to the Other Drugs forum as they are the experts on Suboxone and tapering. If you want some emotional support/advice then I recommend also checking out The Dark Side forum - detoxing is part of the battle, the next step is staying clean. If you have a think about how you will achieve this, and what potential challenges there might be, it could give you a better chance of succeeding. Good luck!

BDD > OD

 

[Swimmingdancer]

I would definitely recommend doing this with a doctor's help. But if that isn't an option for you I would suggest the following:

Wait until you are as sick as you can bear. Take a small dose of the Suboxone. Wait and see how it affects you and make sure it doesn't make your withdrawals worse. If everything seems fine, then try to wait 24 hrs before taking more. If it helps a little bit but not enough, then take some more. If you feel much worse, then wait as long as you can again before taking more.

I would probably start by taking .5mg of Suboxone (1/4 of a pill). If that doesn't help enough, take enough just to make the withdrawal symptoms tolerarable, then gradually lower your dose (over the period of a week or 2). How much heroin have you been using? How much methadone were you on and when exactly did you stop the methadone?

There are also lots of threads already on this topic if you use the Search function.

ETA: You can also take supplements, herbs and meds to help you. There are all sorts of lists of potentiators and things to help with withdrawal symptoms and depression etc on this forum. Make sure you are eating properly, getting lots of fluids and vitamins, and closely monitoring your diabetes.

 

[L0dgik]

Thx lads.

K i didn't start today. I was not exactly sure what way I should do it so I had a hit. Im going to start now do...well as soon as im sick enough, man am i dreadin dat ughhhh....

I would LOVE medical supervision but this is Ireland and here they have no Sub doctors r treatment of any kind, I would have too go to the north!! So I got these through a friend of a friend who is in a country that realizes that there is more ways too treat this affliction then stupid methadone..... So I am on my own, well iv got d net dats bout it!!

I was using say bout a half gram r more or sometimes less of afghan h a day. No good h here lol. Still its good enough to fuck ur hole life up!! Anyway... Methadone i was on 50mils a day. Im off that now over a week. Hate the stuff. Really hate it, Makes me numb 2 d world n its not getting u clean it just prolonging ur addiction if u ask me.

I know there is a search function guys, but I wanted to make my thread to try keep it about me, not because I am a prick but because I really need to concentrate on what I am been told and flicking through taking a bot of advise from here a bit from there, id just get all lost n end up using another day. So i am sorry if it sounds selfish?

What vits and supplements wud one say I should get? Remember, I have not got a lot of €€€ so.....

Please if anyone has done this, or knows what there talking about please help me.

Iv made an email addy just 4 dis purpose. [email protected] if anyone wud rather email me.

THANKS AND GOD BLESS....

 

[Swimmingdancer]

Not criticizing you for starting your own thread, just saying it might be useful for you to read the tons of threads that have already been posted about using Suboxone as a short term taper to get off of other opioids.

If you have 20mg of Suboxone, then I would one of the following tapers, depending on how fast you want to taper:

Slow taper:
Day 1: Wait until you are as sick as you can bear before taking the Suboxone (ideally 24hrs+). Take 0.5mg. If you don't feel more sick after you take it, then take another 0.5mg about 4 hrs later
Day 2-7: take 1mg Suboxone/day
Day 8-14: take 0.75mg Suboxone/day
Day 15-21: take 0.5mg Suboxone/day
Day 22-28: take 0.25mg Suboxone/day
Day 29-36: take 0.25mg Suboxone every 48 hrs (every second day)
Day 38-45: take 0.25mg Suboxone every 72 hrs (every third day), then stop.
*Note: This is assuming you will be able to measure out this small of quantities of the Suboxone. For example 0.25mg would be 1/8 of a pill.

Fast taper:
Day 1: same as above:
Day 2: 1mg
Day 3: 1mg
Day 4: 0.75mg
Day 5: 0.75mg
Day 6: 0.5mg
Day 7: 0.5mg
Day 8: 0.25mg
Day 9: 0.5mg
Day 10: 0.25mg
Day 11: 0.5mg
Day 12: 0.25mg
Day 13: 0.25mg
Day 14: 0mg
Day 15: 0.25mg, then stop.
*Note: You will have quite a bit of leftover Suboxone if you do this.

I am assuming a starting dose of 1mg. In reality it really depends on the person exactly how much you will need to start off with, so it's hard for me to give you precise dosages for the taper if I don't know how much you are going to take to start with. If you start off needing 2mg of Suboxone then of course the dosages listed above would be different. Hopefully some other people will chime in who had methadone/heroin usage similar to your's and say how much Suboxone they needed to start with. I would try to take as little as you possibly can, just enough to keep you from getting withdrawal symptoms.

I am also assuming that 0.25mg is probably the lowest dosage you will be able to measure. Let me know if you think otherwise.

 

[L0dgik]

Heh ok I still did not start my taper but I am going to do it..... I am just trying too suck in all the information that I can before I jump into something I have never tried before!
The last post there from @Swimmingdancer gr8 post thanks.... Il write that down, No dam printer!! I have been using the search function of course but I just said k start your own thread and ask for help... I do hope this works for me and with the help of god someday someone else might use the search and see this thread and help them too, it cant hurt having one more thread with good information on this.

I am going to start off with half of a pill so thats going too be 1mg. Swimmingdancer is the 2nd person I know thats told me that should do the job, The other is a friend who has done this before.
K so I take my 1mg how should I start to feel? Will the WD just ease away or will it just make it less intense? Will I be normal or will I get an sort of a relax or buzz from the Suboxone
Last but not least can someone please give me some tips on what sort of vits and supplements too buy that will help? I am a type 1 diabetic and that does have me worried, Its one good reason
too stop using H but I have been told going cold turkey would be dangerous for me so... Im all confused/scared whatever about it. I know sweet fuck all about diabetes either really because I was only diagnosed with that 7 months ago so im still on a learning trip with that one!!

Thanks and gold bless hope all other addicts out there are gonna be safe tonight and
I will be back 2m to see if any one else has replied to give me some more pointers and
a list of some Vitamins & Supplements that will help along this road!

 

[Swimmingdancer]

I am going to start off with half of a pill so thats going too be 1mg

If you are still feeling withdrawals a couple hours later you can try taking more. But I'd try to take as little as you can handle. If you take more than you need that will just make your taper harder.

K so I take my 1mg how should I start to feel? Will the WD just ease away or will it just make it less intense? Will I be normal or will I get an sort of a relax or buzz from the Suboxone

The withdrawal symptoms should gradually improve. You should start feeling better after half an hour. Whether or not 1mg will completely eliminate your WDs, I have no way to predict. If it doesn't, try another 0.5mg. Some people get a kind of buzz if they take enough, but you are trying to taper off as quickly as possible and get off drugs, not get high and raise your tolerance. You should just feel normal or feel slight withdrawals as you lower the dose.

Last but not least can someone please give me some tips on what sort of vits and supplements too buy that will help?

I would recommend you take the follwoing (assuming you are able to spend a bit of money on supplements):
- Multi-vitamin
- B-100
- 5-HTP
- Valerian
- GABA (PharmaGABA is even better but it's more expensive)
- Calcium magnesium

There are some OTC drugs you could take to help with withdrawals too if you want, such as loperamide (Immodium). Make sure you drink lots of water and try to eat healthy. Good luck!!