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Here comes the rain - Opiate w/d again

herbavore said:
LOL, the phone for internet is a great metaphor for how we see--or don't see--the bigger picture in life, right? That gave me a chuckle, Tarnum. "...unreal how it never gets easier"..oh, wait! It did get easier? ;)

I think sometimes the anticipation of something horrible is worse than the actuality when it finally arrives. Being a worrier myself, I know this one inside and out!
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that is really true, I have trouble NOT setting myself up for making w/d much worse by my mind expecting it.
 
yeah the anticipation was worse than the withdrawal but that's definitely not always the case. My last withdrawal was horrible, couldn't eat, non stop bathroom trips, severe back pain, restless legs so bad you flop around like a fish and terrible anxiety.

This time around it was just terrible anxiety (which i suffer from anyway). It was the easiest withdrawal i've ever had, on par with kratom or codeine withdrawal. I have been taking less loperamide and less kratom each day. It's now day 5 and i haven't taken anything in 18 hours or so and felt a little sick so i took 6mg of lope. Last time it was about 10 days until i was back to normal.

so if you're looking to quit opiates, taper your dose down as low as possible, load up on loperamide and hopefully it will be as easy as it was for me. The kratom wasn't even needed, it's very useful for killing opiate cravings though. I feel like i am free. The odd thing is that i feel just as good/normal now as i did when i was high on poppy tea. It's highly unusual but i can't complain.

there are so many positives now that i've quit, no trouble with urination, no constant constipation, no worrying about when my next order would be in, no more terrible itching and i don't sleep 13 hours a day anymore. PAWS will still be an issue but with kratom it's manageable. I encourage anyone in a similar situation to me to give quitting a shot, it may resolve more problems than you would think.
 
Tarnum said:
I slipped up on H and its a full 24 hours gone without some now and i had to take loperamide which i hate taking because it feels so fucking dirty with many side effects.
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I'm sorry. I'm new to talking openly about opiate use. I have a question about loperamide… isn't that just IMODIUM AD? I keep hearing a lot of people bringing it up on the boards so, I went out and purchased a few boxes before my intake appt.

Besides controlling diarrhea during WD's; how else is it used? And how much has to be used to obtain desired affect?

Sorry again- like I said before- I'm a line user and I've learned so much from you all. Most importantly, how to stay safe.
Thank you
 
yeah it is immodium. It is an opiate that for the most part just affects the body. It will prevent diarrhea as well as relieve about 90% of the other withdrawal symptoms. It's been holding me well, i tried to go without it and had massive stomach pain so my body isn't quite ready to come off of it yet.

I'm starting to feel those cravings coming though, it's tough learning how to live normally when i am used to being high every single day. My legs got pretty restless today too, it's hard to believe how effective immodium is for me, it's probably something to do with how my acid reflux med omeprazole allows loperamie to be more effective, though i've only read forum posts on it.

Of course the withdrawal is always the easy part, i struggle very badly with PAWS (post acute withdrawal syndrome) every single time, even after a few months, i relapse.
 
I wish I would have known about Imodium and Prilosec get me in between refills and dr appts.

That's what I'm fearing -PAWS. I haven't maintained sobriety since 2001.

If u read my thread I'm planning something controversial. But I think it'll work for me. The first two days were the hardest. Now I'm totally fine. But I would never suggest it for anyone. And I don't know if it is just a disaster waiting to happen.

Back up plan is in patient rehab 60 days. Lets hope I don't lose sight of what's important.
 
Hi Areos18...I know it's hard to believe but the Immodium has really been what makes the difference for me too. I am, right now as we speak on Day Three of withdrawing from my Tramadol addiction. This is my third time to this rodeo in the last year but my first time trying it with immodium and I can't believe how much easier it is for me this time. I am actually able to go to work. There is a lot out there on why this is effective but long story short, I think it just tricks your brain into thinking you are taking an opiate because it is itself an opiod.
Like I said you can research it yourself if you are really interested but it does work. Every day is a little better and today I am at 90%. The last two times I tried to white knuckle it and I never got to where I am now after a week before I started taking my drug of choice again.
I actually slept almost all night last night. That is HUGE for me.
Good Luck to you and I am very interested to hear how it turns out for you too.

RoboRippin: Thanks again for all your advice and help on my thread. Much valued and much appreciated and I am really glad to hear that things are on the upswing for you.
 
depending on your habit you'll need a lot more than 2mg. What i did was take 2-4mg every few hours, some people need upwards of 20mg but it depends on the person. I'd suggest to try 6mg and see if that holds you, if you're still feeling bad, take more. There are people on here who take far larger doses than 20mg but it's best to see how you react to it.

@Faithinme: if you ever need some support or some tips to get through the withdrawal and the terrible PAWS then just send me a private message. Good luck with everything!

@aeros: i've read your threads, not sure what your plan is though lol. was it the DXM? or just staying on bupe? DXM will help withdrawals to an extent but bupe is probably the better option.
 
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I am not clear myself as of the changes i will make as the medication changes was just forced upon me in October.

I'm planning to be able to use my DOC and once a month and continue on a regimen of subs and Imodium and DXM and Ibuprophem as needed for pain potentiation-

I still have arthritis and SI joint pain, and degenerative diak disease. i still hurt but i dont need to be high and medicated 24-7.

suboxone Aleve and DXM in conjunction work well to aleveate pain, cravings and WD.

In doing this I will have to unlearn anything I have learned from AA or conventional speakers of addicts. It's really an experiment that II want it to work so badly.
 
8mg a day holds me, kills all cravings and helps quell my anxiety/depression. I had a long, substantial poppy pod tea habit. It took about 50mg of methadone to hold me.
 
heh i'm sure he was taking more than 50 mgs of poppy tea. But it is shocking how much morphine content poppy pod/seed tea can actually have. My tolerance was monstrous, i'd say about the equiv of 200+mg of regular morphine. 50mg of methadone is a decent sized dose especially coming from a poppy pod tea habit, just goes to show how strong that stuff can be.

had some etizolam yesterday, god that stuff is too good. I think i could live the perfect life on about 2-4mg/day but i've tried that before with other benzos and failed. Bring on the rebound anxiety. My goal is to one day feel as good (naturally) as i do after taking kratom and about 4mg of etiz.

sub, aleve and DXM for pain isn't that bad of an idea, whatever works and keeps you from addiction is okay in my books. As long as you aren't taking several hundred milligrams of dxm per day. Although i don't recommend it unless absolutely necessary, many pain patients find relief in kratom.

yesterday i stopped taking loperamide and felt a bit restless, took kratom twice, once MD the other red vein borneo, killed the symptoms but left me still craving. It's going to to be rough. I had my gf hide my etizolam, that shit is just so tempting to take, it honestly cures me of anxiety and makes me a normal person.
 
I have never heard of etizolam. Where are you from?

As far as poppy seed tea- I have always been curious. I purchased 2,000 poppy seeds (papaver somniferum) online. I tried growing some in so cal and they sprouted a bit and died.

I'm waiting for it to cool down a bit ( it was in the 100 degrees ferinhiet) and ill try to grow again.

I never thought that a occasional cup of poppy tea could become as addictive as the pills I was popping. I guess I'm still so naive.

Where did you learn to make poppy tea? And why do you prefer tea to other forms of use of somniferum poppy?
 
Poppies like cooler climates. SoCal may be a challenging place to grow. And if you get caught harvesting from them, watch out.

Yes, I can speak from experience, poppy pods can be as addictive as any opiate. An opiate is an opiate. Depends on how much, how long, and how often. Which, for me was a lot for a long time several times a day.

As for the tea. It tastes like fermented cat piss. I found it much more effective to grind the pods to a fine powder and mix them with juice and just eat it like that.

My advice: don't start. PPT is the devil.

pnm

areros18 said:
I have never heard of etizolam. Where are you from?

As far as poppy seed tea- I have always been curious. I purchased 2,000 poppy seeds (papaver somniferum) online. I tried growing some in so cal and they sprouted a bit and died.

I'm waiting for it to cool down a bit ( it was in the 100 degrees ferinhiet) and ill try to grow again.

I never thought that a occasional cup of poppy tea could become as addictive as the pills I was popping. I guess I'm still so naive.

Where did you learn to make poppy tea? And why do you prefer tea to other forms of use of somniferum poppy?
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my advice is the same as podnomo, unless you need pain management and can't get anything else. But you have to super honest with yourself and as addicts we know how tricky that gets.

@aeros: I am from eastern Canada. It's probably best you don't hear of etizolam, it is so god damn tempting to me. I crave it almost every single minute of every day. It's driving me nuts slowly.

I tried to grow some poppies here in Canada for fun during the spring but nothing came about and i moved. I always fantasize about going back to my old place to see a huge field of poppies tho :)

poppy tea isn't super addictive, maybe on par with hydrocodone but it still causes a massive dependence. The withdrawal is absolutely horrid too, because you are withdrawaing from some 23 different alkaloids that make up that beautiful poppy tea concoction. I wish i never got into it but it did actually help me sort my life out and cope while i learned other coping skills.

My cravings aren't even for poppy tea right now and they are insane. I am a past benzo addict and that etizolam is staring me in the face at all times. My ativan/valium is all gone and i've been desperate enough to eat zopiclone on more than one occassion for fun. This is the hard part of withdrawal for me. Kratom holds me really well though, even really helps my anxiety but does not fill my insane desire to be benzo'd. Well at least i'm clear of opiates (other than kratom) and i don't crave them. Fucking benzos will always be a battle for me.

I learned to make poppy tea from my good friend bluelight lol. I don't prefer it over any opiates except codeine and hydrocodone. If i could get dilaudid or heroin everyday for the same price that's what i'd be doing. Poppy seed tea was available and cheap. Now that it isn't super cheap it's not worth it to me.
 
I do have actual pain issues. Your advise would be not to use more often then three times a week? Or less?

I looked around the forum and did not see the recipe for poppy tea; do you have a link? Do you use the pod? Any or does it have to be somniferum variety?
Thank you in advance
 
there is a recipe in the trip reports forum called 'poppy seed tea making the process easier' or something. It's the best guide, i've made some posts on my own guides as well. It does have to be papaver somniferum, pods are great but the market is bad for them now. With seeds, you are basically washing the morphine, codiene and other alkaloids off the seeds. So you need about half a pound of seeds to wash when you're starting out. I went well over 3 lbs/day with my seeds though, tolerance builds very fast.

you definitely couldn't take poppy tea 3x a week, you'd develop withdrawals in between those 3 days really fast. At most, you could use it once a week, as a nice treat and an escape from pain. Any more than that and you are asking for an addiction.

I really really don't recommend going this route, i wouldn't have quit if it were that good. However, i would look into kratom, it will help with pain, get you a bit high, give u energy, i guess you could compare it to tramadol in some respects. It's still addictive but it is manageable so long as you have the money for it and don't run out constantly.Good luck, hope i helped.
 
areros18 said:
I'm sorry. I'm new to talking openly about opiate use. I have a question about loperamide… isn't that just IMODIUM AD? I keep hearing a lot of people bringing it up on the boards so, I went out and purchased a few boxes before my intake appt.

Besides controlling diarrhea during WD's; how else is it used? And how much has to be used to obtain desired affect?

Sorry again- like I said before- I'm a line user and I've learned so much from you all. Most importantly, how to stay safe.
Thank you
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Hey areros18 , yea RobotRipping pretty much summed it up. I can get a generic Loperamide for 88 cents for 12 tablets (2mg each) , WAY better than IMMODIUM that costs 8x for the same thing!
As for the dosage, I think a general dose for anyone with a habit would be 15-20 mg so about 7 or 10 pills and then just work your way up if you feel you need to. Just try not using it for more than 5 days and decrease the amount each day because i heard it does cause withdrawals if used for a good while and it makes perfect sense even if they are only physical...

RobotRipping, what does acid reflux feel like? And yea buddy PAWS sucks, but for a good reason, I feel that your intelligence, open-mindedness and awareness are very important attributes and you should use them as weapons against PAWS! if only i could follow my advice ALL the time...
 
it feels awful lol like your whole esophagus and neck are on fire. I cannot stand it. Omeprazole completely fixes it though, it's an amazing medication, things like ranitidine don't work well at all. I get my omeprazole from mexico for super cheap too, so it's great.

paws do suck, they hit me hard, don't know what to do about them. It's because i need to improve my life and that will help. Right now i'm alone most of the time, dont have a job, and waiting to back to school (stressful) but in a couple years i could be the happiest person around. Who knows.
 
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