Opioids Help with vivitrol blockade, ADD

[Andyfromthad]

Hey there, first of all this topic is about me and others, this is HARM REDUCTION, please do not post if ur only information is "stop" think about it, blah blah blah. I am a long term heroin addict, and I really really dont need advice on my life. Only personal experiences. I am onvivitrol at this point, I desire to get high. I have attempted it at day 9. Day 17 and now am debating about day 23. Supposedly it simply blocks the receptors. From oersonal experience, I did not get high, however something took place, mh pupils dialated, it was very uncomfortable all of a sudden, the world seemed to change, like all of a sudden after injecting heroin, tge naltrexone kicked into effect. Like the dope latched on an then was knocked off my receptors. It reminded me of the first few seconds of being shot up with narcan before the wds set in, when you od. A cold breath of air, and the world seems to change indescribably almost psychedelic but not at all pleasent. Is this unique to me ? Or am I the only person out therewhose actually attempted to overcome the blockade. This sensation is so unsettling that im now afraid on day 23 to attempt it again ! I snorted some raw and I believe I may be high but im scared to iv. I would like personal experiences on when and how people whove used this substance have overcome tge blockade, when, factors that might affect it etc. anything please respond, but without holier then thou advice. If your advice is not furthering my drug use safely, butt out.

 

[Toz]

I don't think dope will ever get you high on naltrexone, no matter how good it is. I've never used naltrexone, so I don't have any experiences with it but I was on high dose buprenorphine for several years. The only opioid that could penetrate the buprenorphine blockade was fentanyl (when dosed rather high). Maybe it would work with naltrexone too, though it would be really risky but I guess you already know this.

 

[Mass08]

There is no point on wasting your dope. Wait another 7 days till its out of your system.

 

[Mr.Scagnattie]

If you're already on day 23.. I would just wait until you hit the 30 mark and then go for it.

Are you planning on stopping the vivitrol all together? Or did you want to just get high and then go back on it?

Also, I should mention that you need to be careful with regards to how much you do.. A lot of overdoses occur this way because your tolerance has gone down a considerable amount and the dope will affect you in a much bigger way.

Dose carefully.

 

[Andyfromthad]

Hey guys. Thanks for the input. I finally did it. It was rather dissapointing. I guess any opiate in high enough doses will penetrate the blockade. It took place although the effects were limited. My previous two attempts, at 9 and 17 days respectivly were utter failures. No opiate effects at all. And a strange reaction I assume was from the naltrexone. Today I believe I broke through. No naltrexone kick in and I got a bodybuzz, the pain killer effects were felt. The euphoria was very limited though, no rush whatsoever. Im convinced the supposed resetting of tolerance is due to abstinence from dope not anything to do with the blockade. And my tolerance strange enough barely ever goes down past a certain point, even if I go do 10 months in jail I get out an bang two dimes as if id never been away. I did about my normal dose without the vivitrol and thats what happened. At day 25 im going to attempt again with the same amount maybe a little more. From my experience withvivitrol its max time of effect is from days one to twenty or thereabouts, and im guessing your levels must just decrease every minute from then on.i am not sure if I am going to continue with vivitrol or not. My lifestyle hasnt really changed, just instead of doing a bunch of dope an selling it, I been selling it and experimenting with attempts at getting high. Its had some strange effectd on my mind also, such as I contemplate suicide all the time, not thinkibg about doing it, but say I see a ditch while driving, ill think about drivibg into it and its a circulor constant thought cant fet it out of my head. My sex drive is way down almost as if I were on dope 24/7. The only thing its changed is my family is happier

 

[Mr.Scagnattie]

Hey guys. Thanks for the input. I finally did it. It was rather dissapointing. I guess any opiate in high enough doses will penetrate the blockade. It took place although the effects were limited. My previous two attempts, at 9 and 17 days respectivly were utter failures. No opiate effects at all. And a strange reaction I assume was from the naltrexone. Today I believe I broke through. No naltrexone kick in and I got a bodybuzz, the pain killer effects were felt. The euphoria was very limited though, no rush whatsoever. Im convinced the supposed resetting of tolerance is due to abstinence from dope not anything to do with the blockade. And my tolerance strange enough barely ever goes down past a certain point, even if I go do 10 months in jail I get out an bang two dimes as if id never been away. I did about my normal dose without the vivitrol and thats what happened. At day 25 im going to attempt again with the same amount maybe a little more. From my experience withvivitrol its max time of effect is from days one to twenty or thereabouts, and im guessing your levels must just decrease every minute from then on.i am not sure if I am going to continue with vivitrol or not. My lifestyle hasnt really changed, just instead of doing a bunch of dope an selling it, I been selling it and experimenting with attempts at getting high. Its had some strange effectd on my mind also, such as I contemplate suicide all the time, not thinkibg about doing it, but say I see a ditch while driving, ill think about drivibg into it and its a circulor constant thought cant fet it out of my head. My sex drive is way down almost as if I were on dope 24/7. The only thing its changed is my family is happier

If you're not ready to stay sober, why even keep bothering with the vivitrol? It's obviously not helping you the way it is supposed to if you keep wanting and trying to get high on it. You're getting all the side effects and none of the benefits.

 

[Captain.Heroin]

^ yeah, that is the problem with naltrexone. It's often forced upon people not ready to quit.

The few people who have used it to quit respond well, but you have to wait until you're well through the acute withdrawals to avoid super precipitated WD's.

If you are dedicated to staying clean, and have already gotten through withdrawals, naltrexone can assist in getting you back to feeling better like your old self again - but I wouldn't recommend it personally for the fact that many people have a negative experience with it.

 

[Mr.Scagnattie]

^ yeah, that is the problem with naltrexone. It's often forced upon people not ready to quit.

The few people who have used it to quit respond well, but you have to wait until you're well through the acute withdrawals to avoid super precipitated WD's.

If you are dedicated to staying clean, and have already gotten through withdrawals, naltrexone can assist in getting you back to feeling better like your old self again - but I wouldn't recommend it personally for the fact that many people have a negative experience with it.

Yeah I would never take it personally either. They make it sound like a miracle drug.. but clearly it isn't.

 

[Captain.Heroin]

Yeah I would never take it personally either. They make it sound like a miracle drug.. but clearly it isn't.

I think if you are already done with the acute withdrawal, and just want to get through the PAWS quicker, that's when naltrexone becomes a worthwhile option.

However it's being used as if it was methadone or Suboxone, and that's why it's a failure because it's torturous when it's used like that, and it seems almost like it's a legally sanctioned way to torture an opiate addict if you are their parent or whatever.

But yeah I have had one friend who explained how they got the depot injections of naltrexone and it was the best they felt without heroin; but they had to go through like 2 weeks of acute heroin withdrawal (so few people actually do this before getting on naltrexone).

And still there are probably better options for recovering from PAWS other than using antagonists, but it would be hard for me to say seeing as I have never tried an antagonist.

 

[Znegative]

I agree that in most cases Vivitrol/Naltrexone Therapy seems like an ineffective means to quitting heroin. Of course it will block for a decent amount of time (depending whether its the shot, implant, or pills), but my old Suboxone doctor told me that she would only ever recommend it for the use of addicts who's jobs were in jeopardy due to their drug use (such as doctors-that was the example she gave). She also told me it was much more effective helping alcoholics reduce their drinking and cravings than it is at helping opiate addicts.

I feel like even as a blocker, its not that great of a tool, or its inferior to methadone and suboxone. With the latter two forms of treatment (assuming one is on a blocking dosage), the user would need to abstain from taking either form of ORT for a long enough period that they would begin to go through withdrawal before being able to feel 100% of the effects of their DOC (this isn't always true, but hopefully my point is clear).

 

[Mr.Scagnattie]

The way they described it to me in one particular detox.. (which you would think was fucking run by the makers of vivitrol with how hard they pushed it) was that it completley took away your cravings.. when on it.. you would have no desire to use. Period.. but then I'd be like.. well, if I'm not going to have the desire to use.. what's the point of it blocking opiates? I mean.. who needs a blocker for something they are never going to want to do...? Well, needless to say they had no response.

It can work and I've seen it work.. but people make it out to be something it just isn't. They did the same thing when suboxone started becoming popular in the states.

 

[Znegative]

^right, I've heard the same bullshit. "Naltrexone cures opiate cravings".

If that's so true, than why have I heard so many fucking stories about desperate addicts mutilating there bodies to get their naltrexone chip out...I mean, fuck, from the sound of it, it seems like it makes the cravings worse.

And yeah, I remember back in 2006 my outpatient program put me on suboxone telling me it was completely non habit forming...

 

[Mr.Scagnattie]

^right, I've heard the same bullshit. "Naltrexone cures opiate cravings".

If that's so true, than why have I heard so many fucking stories about desperate addicts mutilating there bodies to get their naltrexone chip out...I mean, fuck, from the sound of it, it seems like it makes the cravings worse.

And yeah, I remember back in 2006 my outpatient program put me on suboxone telling me it was completely non habit forming...

Exactly. Just fucking bull shit being thrown at us left and right.

 

[tentram]

^right, I've heard the same bullshit. "Naltrexone cures opiate cravings".

If that's so true, than why have I heard so many fucking stories about desperate addicts mutilating there bodies to get their naltrexone chip out...I mean, fuck, from the sound of it, it seems like it makes the cravings worse.

And yeah, I remember back in 2006 my outpatient program put me on suboxone telling me it was completely non habit forming...

like this aussie dude was wanting to do. a well renown quack here (downunder , australia for those unfamiliar with "downunder") thinks they're the cure for any addiction. from ecstasy to cocaine, gambling included. google the doctor from the thread below and just see what an absolute fuckwad he is; dr O'Neill

http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/...-Neill-Long-Acting-Naltrexone-Implant-(revia)

 

[lonewolf05]

I had my girlfriend (now ex) on vivitrol back in October-December. She IVed opiates for almost 4 years. She tried suboxone, cold turkey, basically everything except inpatient rehab and nothing seemed to work so she broke down one day and asked me about vivitrol. I paid for both shots at $650 a pop, plus office visits! All I know is that she attempted to use a few times early on and she said she was never able to get high. She relapsed at the end of both months. I honestly don't think there is a way to "safely" overcome the naltrexone in your system until you're at least 30 days past your shot. Just ride it out and remember that when you use again your tolerance will be way down.

 

[macd610]

I have no experience with these drugs (antagonists) at all. I find the subject interesting, however.
After reading this thread, I have a question out of curiosity ...
If someone is given a drug and told they won't want to get high while it's in their system and if they do try, they will be unable to...it seems like a given that the patient is going to try. It seems like an insane test of willpower. For most people addicted to drugs, the greatest fear is being unable to get high or going through wd's.
I don't know, to me it almost seems mean. It's like, "OK... Now you have this drug and you will not have any desire to get high. But remember if you try to nothing will happen anyway so it's not worth it". I know that would make me WANT to... even more than normal maybe.
Does this make sense lol? I'm having trouble finding my words today, not a very good day for me.
Does anyone find this to be the case while on this type of treatment?