Help me taper off heroin!

[SmokeEm]

Here is how they did it in the treatment center I went to

Each to his own I guess. This is only my opinion, but that seems like a massive amount of Bupe to start with. Yes some people will feel more comfortable with those amounts, and I guess if you're doing a slower taper such as a 15+ day one, it might be a good starting point. But if doing a quick taper, I dont see much reason to need more than 8mg. But that's just me, as I said.

I also don't see any particular need to wait much more than 12-24 hours before taking your first Bupe. 36 hours is a *long* time, and you'd be well inside withdrawal by then. Maybe for a longer acting ope, like 'done, or OC (extended release) 36 hours is necessary, but I doubt you'd get precipitated w/d from Bupe if you take it 12-16 hours after H, which is shorter acting. That being said, if you *can* wait 36 hours, then by all means do so... as said before, the longer you wait between doses, the more pain you suffer, the quicker it will all be over with. If you wait 36 hours, there may even be a chance that a smaller dose of Bupe, such as 4mg, will be enough, since your body will already be starting to adjust to having less opiates in it. Or it might mean you need more, since the w/d are worse. I'm not sure, I guess. In any case, it's a personal thing that you really need to feel your own way through.

 

[chorus_of_devils]

Each to his own I guess. This is only my opinion

I agree. I was only posting their schedule. That's why I made sure to say they treated everyone equally, they had to cover all their bases. I think if you can get away with less you should.
The only experience I have w/ suboxone is through that program and they are the ones who recommended 36 hours. I was a freakin mess by the time I started the bupe. The counselors said that bupe would have adverse reactions if any oxy was still in my system that was their reason. That could be a line of BS I don't know.
Here is what I do know. That taper worked for everyone I was around. It does work.
SmokeEm is right though; if you know your body and can schedule a lower program then go w/ that.
Asta COD

 

[JRARMZ13]

Im not going to point out how obnoxious this post is, someone already did that.

Im also not going to point out the irony of saying dont use drugs to get off drugs, just smoke pot. People who use drugs and still argue marijuana is not a drug leave me baffled. Pot smokers who adhere to this mentality need to get over themselves and realize they too are drug users.

I will say though, not all of us are as lucky as you to be able to just take days off work. That wasnt an option for me, and Im guessing most people here cant just call out of work and other obligations. Buprenorphine is a great resource for those who want to be able to still continue a normal life. Going through withdrawal sucked, but I was able to stay under everybodies radar.

And yes, he did choose to use smack in the first place, but I doubt he did it one day thinking how much fun being addicted to opiates is. Most people cant understand unless they have been there themselves. Give the guy a break. Hes not bitching about how we fucked his life up, he is asking for help, and last I checked, thats what places like this are for.

i think the last part u say is true, no one knows what it is like to be addicted to opiates. i was there for a while because of my back. i was addicted to morphine. that isn't smack, but its about as strong of pill form opiate u can get.
i loved that shit. but now i dont take anything at all no percocets, nothin. i tapered off them. GOOD luck to u friend.

 

[Newbierock]

take your prejudism elsewhere, and not in my forum - AXL

 

[sc4t]

edited.

just leave this forum for good man, your comments are not appreciated your only making an idiot out of yourself

generalizing the entire forum like that, just leave

 

[axl blaze]

hey Newbierock, if you continue to post responses like the one above then you are on the fast track to getting banned from Bluelight. please don't ever post anything as discriminatory as you just did in OD again.

 

[JRARMZ13]

i am guessing that newbierocks comment was toward me. i am glad that i did not see it.

much love to the moderators

 

[pennywise]

 

[DIRTYMAN]

So putting this thread back on track, I had 2mg at about 11 today, started feeling fine by 12:15. I've been feeling perfect, not high but not withdrawing. This is the level I should be at, correct?

I'll be taking another 2mg sometime tomorrow when I feel shitty, then 2 days of 1mg, then finishing off with a half mg. After that I'll be quitting opiates, hopefully for good.

 

[Newbierock]

Oh how I will laugh when your on here again in a few months time going through WD all over again. Fucking junkie.

 

[garuda]

Newbierock how sad and empty is your life that you come here to insult people at possibly their lowest points?

Do you get a erection when you kick elderly homeless people too?

 

['medicine cabinet']

Oh how I will laugh when your on here again in a few months time going through WD all over again. Fucking junkie.

Are you serious? Why do you act like a complete and utter prick? Was mommy or daddy a heroin addict, they didnt give you enough love? so now you are just some bitter loser that likes to hate on people? Or maybe you are an addict yourself, and you are filled with intense self loathing and thats how you make yourself feel better? Either way, the point is you offer nothing constructive to any of these forums.

Why dont you just leave BL as to not waste the Mods time of having to ban your worthless ass. Seriously, i feel bad it would require someone a few keystrokes to ban you...you are not worth those three seconds of work. They have given you chances, but it seems like everytime there is a thread about heroin, you get all sensitive about it like a 13 years old girl. Maybe you are a 13 year old girl....

If you dont have anything of value to add, dont post at all. Now go back to being an insecure, ignorant waste of human existance that sucks at life.


As for the OP, suboxone is a godsend when it comes to kickin a habbit...i'm sure you already know that tho. With the amount you are using i would wait till you started feeling ill then take 4-6mgs. So basically wait a day then take your first dose. The thing with suboxone is it does take a little while to kick in. About 100mins to be at its peak level. So if after 45mins u are not feeling all that great, give it a little more time. And if after 100mins u still feel shitty, take the rest of the 8mg pill. So if you took 4mgs initially, take the other 4mgs, and so on.

Since u have 4 pills, you cna taper down by 2mgs a day easily. Once u are down to 2mgs, the day after i usually take half a pill, crush it up, make 4 lines and blow one of the lines. It may not be an exact mg dose, but it makes it that much more gradual. You could even get down to .25 mg ranges like some ppl do.

Its not going to be a walk in the park or anything, but compared to cold turkey, doing a quick detox is the way to go.

Cold turkey isnt with out its advantages tho....i have kicked this way before too. This seems to work becuse the experience is usually so rough it makes you not want to get hooked again.

But everyone is different...Also if you have drugs like valium or xanax (benzos), they will help a lot too. Clonidine is a good one to have around too, it will help your body relax more. Good luck tho man, if you have any more questions you are in the right place. There are a lot of people here that know what they are talking about, and are more than happy to share the info. Peace.

 

[Newbierock]

Well if i'm such a waste, what the hell does that make all you fuckups? laying around with a needle hanging out your arm. That's much better.

 

['medicine cabinet']

hahaha awwww, looks like someone is getting sensitive again.

 

[l0ckd0wn]

Well if i'm such a waste, what the hell does that make all you fuckups? laying around with a needle hanging out your arm. That's much better.

Your generalization of a "Fuck up" refers to those who are not what?... Contributing to the well being of society? From what I see most of those that come and scream "help" are just that, intelligent, everyday individuals that have fallen to far under that wing of opiates. So what? Most are students, business wo/men and people that you see on a daily basis... Heroin is everywhere and there are plenty of people that you may even know personally that may do it on a regular basis, are they "fuck ups" too? It's taboo nature is the reason no one talks about one very widely used drug in America.

Get a grasp on reality and let go of this ever looming fear of the unknown you seem to have. Just because you don't like it/understand it/care about it/etc doesn't mean you have to have such a negative and spiteful view on it. Get over yourself.

And thats all I have to say about that.

 

[DIRTYMAN]

^
Please don't feed the trolls

Newbie, enjoy your ban!!!!

 

[MrCream]

Hey Dirtyman I just wanted to wish you luck! I think that you can do it if you stick it out! If you ever have the urge to use more than you have set ur self up to taper with I will be around and you can message me at ANYTIME! God Bless you

Chris

 

[Overdoze]

Well if i'm such a waste, what the hell does that make all you fuckups? laying around with a needle hanging out your arm. That's much better.

hahaha you sound like my mom....

 

[MrCream]

hahaha you sound like my mom....

he sounds emo to me...lol

 

[Matt_Himself]

Oh how I will laugh when your on here again in a few months time going through WD all over again. Fucking junkie.

Im was gonna post something nastier, but Im assuming youve been banned by time I got around to reading this...

So putting this thread back on track, I had 2mg at about 11 today, started feeling fine by 12:15. I've been feeling perfect, not high but not withdrawing. This is the level I should be at, correct?

I'll be taking another 2mg sometime tomorrow when I feel shitty, then 2 days of 1mg, then finishing off with a half mg. After that I'll be quitting opiates, hopefully for good.

Sounds exactly right, you may want more days then you have listed though. For me, when I was getting off, it took about 10 days of bupe usage for all physical sensations to die off. Best of luck with it, if your determined, you can do it.