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Help! Is this a LONG come down or Intestinal injury?

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I have to attest to FBC, ive experienced some pretty fucked up side affects from my MDMA usage, that could only be due to my MDMA (ab)use.

9 months post a 4 month every weekend roller, I still have sleep problems, memory lapses and bouts of depression.

I most definitely feel like a different person, whether that's a good or bad thing is yet to be determined. Once this depression weins off and hopefully I get back to school, I hope to be a better person.

The insomnia is one major thing, it causes alot of problems functionally, but it's no where NEAR as bad as it use to be.

Life in general is not as complex as it use to be, social situations are different, especially with girls. I suffer minor spelling/comprehension problems, and abstract reasoning problems.

These are allievating, albeit slowly. So I definitely back up FBC in that I've been "re wired" from Serotogenic lesion, but I do feel recovery.

Whether it's as intense as he makes it seem, well thats all dependent on personal biology, dose and frequency.
 
somedud said:
I have to attest to FBC, ive experienced some pretty fucked up side affects from my MDMA usage, that could only be due to my MDMA (ab)use.

9 months post a 4 month every weekend roller, I still have sleep problems, memory lapses and bouts of depression.

I most definitely feel like a different person, whether that's a good or bad thing is yet to be determined. Once this depression weins off and hopefully I get back to school, I hope to be a better person.

The insomnia is one major thing, it causes alot of problems functionally, but it's no where NEAR as bad as it use to be.

Life in general is not as complex as it use to be, social situations are different, especially with girls. I suffer minor spelling/comprehension problems, and abstract reasoning problems.

These are allievating, albeit slowly. So I definitely back up FBC in that I've been "re wired" from Serotogenic lesion, but I do feel recovery.

Whether it's as intense as he makes it seem, well thats all dependent on personal biology, dose and frequency.
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Once again...no one has said MDMA abuse does not have consequences.
 
Heh?! said:
Once again...no one has said MDMA abuse does not have consequences.
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Please, since your clearly such a good interpreter, point out where I mentioned that?

Or are you just hopping in the boat with such a blunt comment to make yourself seem significant to this discussion?

So please, if your going to contribute, do so intelligently or keep it to yourself.

This discussion involves the ramifications of use, abuse and absurd overdoses because isn't that what the studies conducted reflect? Repeated doses, high doses and repeated high doses. We are discussing his opinions, interpretation of information in correlation to the facts he's claiming to be true (not that I disagree) and studies he's cited to back up his credibility, so my input WAS significant, YOURS was not.
 
time to see the doctor, but I wouldnt be worrying about the mdma hurting you, I'd be more worried about your "large volume" enema and how badly you damaged yourself from forcing too much water up your asshole. If you hadn't eaten the pills is it possible you would still have the problems you are having? I've never had an enema but seems logical that if you force water into your intestines past the recommended amount you're probably gonna damage yourself. Maybe in the future you should wait until youre not high on drugs and then decide if its a good idea to mess around with putting things up your butt.
 
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to the OP, you're obsessed with the damage that's been caused, which is totally understandable, but you can't blame MDMA for all your problems. Drugs are drugs, you take some with moderation, they help you; you abuse them, they hurt you. You sir, have not taken enough MDMA to actually cause serious damage. Get all the scientific facts you want, but here's my haunch:

a) what you took wasn't MDMA, it was probably a piperazine, or maybe not even a psychoactive at all; just some chemicals pressed in a pill that your fragile body responded badly to. It happens, are our lives ruined because of it? Of course not.

b) You gave yourself an enema and fucked up. You thought you could do it right, but didn't, and therefore damaged your intestines because of it. Once again, do you blame MDMA for this? No, you blame yourself and idiotic actions instead.

Go see a doctor, tell them everything you told us. They won't be judgmental, that's what they're there for, to help you in cases like these.

I've read some of your posts, and you can get as much scientific evidence you want, but everybody is different and has variations with regards to the neural system and physiology. Some people react badly after a few times on MDMA, others can take loads of the stuff and see no real problem. If somebody isn't feeling any negativity from their experiences, you can't tell them that they are and are just in denial about it. You're on the internet for christ sakes, how can you have any idea?

Anyway brother, be well. See a doctor.
 
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to the OP, you're obsessed with the damage that's been caused, which is totally understandable, but you can't blame MDMA for all your problems. Drugs are drugs, you take some with moderation, they help you; you abuse them, they hurt you. You sir, have not taken enough MDMA to actually cause serious damage. Get all the scientific facts you want, but here's my haunch:

a) what you took wasn't MDMA, it was probably a piperazine, or maybe not even a psychoactive at all; just some chemicals pressed in a pill that your fragile body responded badly to. It happens, are our lives ruined because of it? Of course not.

b) You gave yourself an enema and fucked up. You thought you could do it right, but didn't, and therefore damaged your intestines because of it. Once again, do you blame MDMA for this? No, you blame yourself and idiotic actions instead.

Go see a doctor, tell them everything you told us. They won't be judgmental, that's what they're there for, to help you in cases like these.

I've read some of your posts, and you can get as much scientific evidence you want, but everybody is different and has variations with regards to the neural system and physiology. Some people react badly after a few times on MDMA, others can take loads of the stuff and see no real problem. If somebody isn't feeling any negativity from their experiences, you can't tell them that they are and are just in denial about it. You're on the internet for christ sakes, how can you have any idea?

Anyway brother, be well. See a doctor.
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I agree 110%.

MDMA is not to blame here! The user made a choice. The drug does not do the damage, it is not the drug that hurts people. And, blaming the drug, more over, removes the responsibility. Of course, this stands unless someone put a gun to the OPs head and forced a roll on to him.

This thread is like a train wreck. Although you know there is nothing here to see, you just can not look away.
 
Umm... Try thinking about what he is saying before you jump in and try to make poeople look bad.. Then look like a moron yourself. He is trying to say that nobody is arguing that MDMA ABuse causes damage. FBC goes about it in such a way to try to make everybody stop using the drug, side effects or not. We are also discussing why FBC stuck an enema up his ass, damaged his intestines, and claims it's the MDMA because serotonin is the "cousin of stomach bile". This shit gets more ridiculous everytime I read or write about it !!


somedud said:
Please, since your clearly such a good interpreter, point out where I mentioned that?

Or are you just hopping in the boat with such a blunt comment to make yourself seem significant to this discussion?

So please, if your going to contribute, do so intelligently or keep it to yourself.

This discussion involves the ramifications of use, abuse and absurd overdoses because isn't that what the studies conducted reflect? Repeated doses, high doses and repeated high doses. We are discussing his opinions, interpretation of information in correlation to the facts he's claiming to be true (not that I disagree) and studies he's cited to back up his credibility, so my input WAS significant, YOURS was not.
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^ He never mentioned anything of the sort? His statement was too short to really pull any type of point from it, besides him trying to seem significant by saying such an OBVIOUS statement that my 12 year old cousin would have no problem differentiating.

Abuse water and your suffer consequences, so who looks like the moron now? Name calling isn't getting anyone, anywhere.

I'll state it again, form a better argument if you wish to object, or retract my statement.

I know what the discussions about, and I know what his aim is, it's quite obvious in all his posts, and the threads name is quite self explanatory, I don't need a lecture.

MDMA use is objectively MDMA use, abuse is a COMPLETELY subjective term.

From many perspectives, my 11-13 rolls in 4 months doesn't even prominently proclaim itself as abuse, but to me it does, and ONLY because of my "subjective" experience, which fucked me up.

If it never messed me up, then abuse wouldn't even be considered because I've seen much worse.
 
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somedud - have you not seen a doctor or neurologist yet? And if you have, what did he/she say to you?
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Yeah I did man, he basically laughed at me and said any damage from my MDMA use would have healed after 6-12 months because I never used enough. And I spoke to a psychiatrist who said all I'll effects should clear up in 18 months.

The neurologist said it seems I have more PTSD/depressive style symptoms because I suffered a concussion and breakup on e, and then spiraled from there.

He also dismissed alot of the studies done on MDMA and says there's really no way to correlate them to humans..

He ordered an MRI which I had last week. I think that rolling after the concussion was what fucked me up, I was perfectly fine before that LaST roll. Then all these crazy symptoms started, I think my damaged brain couldnt fend for itself after a week of straight drinking and one night of double dosing. Appearently when you get a concussion is diminishes your antioxidant supply, aswell as releases it's own free radicals, let alone the MDMAs metabolites with that.

But I do have all symptoms of abuse, and my pill count in the past 4 years is between 200-300.
 
Somedud- my friend with similar abuse patterns than you felt depressed for over a year after we stopped rolling. We did a lot and it sounds like you did too. Maybe the concussion had something to do with it but I'm willing to bet you're just feeling aide effects from MDMA abuse. It'll obviously get better.
 
How did the MRI scan come back? I feel sorry for your poor liver rather then your brain! Heavy drinking after a concussion is never a good thing but it won't harm your brain. The only reason people are told never to drink after a concussion is because it's important to be aware of any degeneration in neurological status (which would indicate a more serious complication of head injury) which would otherwise be masked by alcohol. Taking MDMA or any drugs after a concussion is never a good thing either for the very same reason but it won't harm your brain because your liver will still filter out the toxins (this won't be compromised just because you banged your head.)
 
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