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On Halloween I took two tabs, after having taken two the previous weekend. Then the next day, I took a half. My lifetime total is about 30, most of which were spaced out better.

Three days later I freaked out like I was dying. Fever, chills, abdominal swelling, tachycardia, euphoric rushing in my head, extreme fear and immense sadness all lasted 6 hours!

Then the next day it was 4 hours. Then the next day 3.
Every time my freak out seemed to result in the process of digestion. It would happen at night.

After I managed to shit a few times, my freak out abated, each time. After starvation I seemed to level out, but once I started eating again....back to square one!

Now 25 days after, I am still having horrible symptoms from eating any solid food.

Obviously, I have been terrified I have done seratogenic damage to my neurons. The emotional aspect of this is unreal.

But, here is my confession: on Halloween I also gave myself a large-volume enema. No shit.

If you must know, it helps the prostate big time by moving the drug all the way through the digestive tract. It also improves the erection. Moving on...

So I think I used too much water and injured myself! For a few days after I even saw blood in my stool.
I use an unbelievable amount of water, even according to my gay friends. And no....I'm straight.

I believe I may have herniated a part of my large intestines or caused appendicitis!
Either that, or I have MDMA toxicity!
Or both...

I read that 90 percent of your seretonin receptors are in your digestive tract. Also, people with certain bowel disorders are known for having major depression and anxiety. Maybe my injury caused a major drain on my seretonin supply, which was non-existent.

A friend of mine who had a 'telescoping intestine' said he freaked out much like I did. He tried reassuring me that I have not done enough E to hurt myself. But I can't help but believe the worst, because the cerebral buzzing and immense fear hits me like a train! Also, another friend had to have an appendectomy the day after candy flipping, and he too had fever and freakout syndrome.

After losing 20 pounds that I didn't need to lose, I am about to go to the hospital and have it checked out. But I want the most opinions I can get here, especially from people that have had long term recovery.

Big Questions:
When you were bedridden and coming down, was food always the culprit?
When you starved yourself, did you receive complete relief of your symptoms?
Or were your symptoms bad regardless of starvation?

I know many of you have done a lot more tabs than I have, and will likely tell me that I am freaking out over the wrong thing. I really hope you are right. What I have gone through these last three weeks I wouldn't wish upon my worst enemy...

If anyone had a long term recovery and their symptoms were tied directly to digestion, I would like to know.
If you can tell me that anxiety and head buzzing occurred anytime, that would be reassuring.

I wouldn't be here if I weren't serious. I would actually say I have had near-death experiences several times this month. At least it felt like it. I am still afraid of the next episode.

I never thought I would be so eager to have surgery, either!
Thanks for all your help, people.
:(
 
Yeah, it seems like what you're going through is pretty serious, so I'd suggest going to the doctors immediately. It doesn't seem like you took enough MDMA for it to be neurotoxic (or to get any noticeable toxicity IMO) but be safe and go to the doctor. I think it may be a combination of a panic attack + an enema gone wrong. But keep in mind this is all speculation and only your doctor can do the necessary tests to diagnose you properly.
 
Its probably anxiety caused by MDMA, i dont belive its has something to do with damage. Low serotonin levels cause panic attack, paranoia(e.g. thinking that food causes you feel sick,etc). ....It just..happens with some people, who use or abuse drugs. usulaly doctors prescribe SSRis and you will be fine.
 
To me it definitely sounds like you did something to your rectum or intestines with the enema...taking two and a half ecstasy pills has never left me or anyone I know with anything more than a day or two of hangover. I really couldn't say why you've had such intense emotions- I suppose it could have been that your pills were tainted with something awful, but if it's been this long and it's usually only associated with digestion it's probably more to do with your injury.

Here's a good link for blood in stool and what it can mean- http://www.oralchelation.com/LifeGlowBasic/technical/p69.htm

but get to the doctor NOW. You should not be having these symptoms and the fact that you've been having them for several weeks only makes it worse; good luck!!
 
Ummmm... Yea... Ummmm.... All I have to say is that I will never take one of your posts seriously again. Stop sticking things up your butt, I don't think it has anything to do with the MDMA buddy. You, my friend, are out of your mind.
 
To frankly answer this questions you have to look the different prespectives.

1) Could those tabs cause this? Sure, who knows what was in the tabs.
2) Did MDMA alone do this? Inorder for this to be possible you have to look at it from the prespective of, I drank 1 shot of Voka in December of 2009 today I feel depression. Did the alcohol cause this condition?

MDMA is a chemical. It have a elimination half-life. In such small amounts the aptlyness of this being possible are so marginal that this is highly unlikly.
 
This has gotta be the nail in this guy's coffin already. You seem to be a know it all in your other posts so I don't what help anyone here could offer you..

I would actually say I have had near-death experiences several times this month. At least it felt like it. I am still afraid of the next episode.

This sounds like anxiety to me dude. I know, I suffer from it. Since I was a kid I've always had a fear of having some fatal undiagnosed illness. Sort of the same thing, just freaking out thinking you're gonna die when nothing big is really even going on.

Careful blasting your organs with enemas in the future man, and try eating some ginger.
 
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Obviously, I have been terrified I have done seratogenic damage to my neurons. The emotional aspect of this is unreal.

This is what steers his data.


But, here is my confession: on Halloween I also gave myself a large-volume enema. No shit.

If you must know, it helps the prostate big time by moving the drug all the way through the digestive tract. It also improves the erection. Moving on...

So I think I used too much water and injured myself! For a few days after I even saw blood in my stool.
I use an unbelievable amount of water, even according to my gay friends.


and PLEASE dont share an enema from your friends. These types of communities can be rather promiscuous and you could easily catch a disease.
 
Yea man I Would def get to the doctor. ive had bad stomachaches a couple of days after but it was due to not eating. As everyone has said don't worry about what the drs think. They will help no matter what. Hope everything turns out good for u bro!
 
Predictable

About time.

It is the only thread I've ever started...
Its not like it took that much 'digging' to find it.

I saw this coming a few days ago, seriously.
Pretty predictable...
It sure took you long enough.
It must have been too much reading for one night...

If this is all you needed to see to not 'take me seriously' anymore, good.
Both of you (splinter and chitown) have been up my ass lately.
You must really like it in there. :\

Did you stop to wonder why I would chose to leave such a thread available, when I could have easily deleted it long ago?

I'm sure many others have scrolled through my posts and my ONE thread, but you guys are the first ones to react this way. Hmmm...

I left this thread in place in the interest of objectivity and honesty.
That is what science is all about, right?
Knowing that it could detract from my credibility among certain users didn't dissuade me, either.

It seems you are rather threatened by my approach to MDMA.
You simply can't stand seeing a dissenting voice with such resolve and communication skills. That might explain why you prefer to attack me, rather than my assertions.

For this reason, I doubt you will even bother to click on the links below.
Again, too much reading...

For everyone else -
Have some knowledge:

Here is an example of other Bluelighters being curious about the interaction between MDMA and the bowels.
http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/archive/index.php/t-566453.html

Here they are talking about 'plugging'. Its easy to find more of these.
Some even claim that anal administration is the 'only' way to take it.
I never managed to try it...
http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=439976

A 2003 research paper illustrating the relationship between serotonin, the intestines, and psychological disorders. The authors used a tryptophan challenge to illicit symptoms among a large group of children. High dose tryptophan has been shown to elicit distress in former MDMA users...
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed?term=14560172

A 1996 study showing a direct link between the active stage of Irritable Bowel Syndrome and psychological distress.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed?term=8858749

A 2003 case-study of a severe case of IBS related psychological distress.
For 16 years this female patient sought medical help. She endured sexual abuse, psychological distress, and severe gastro-intestinal malfunction. They went as far as distending her rectum to illustrate the connection between the bowels and anxiety.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed?term=12612913

A 2004 study of 18 patients of Chron's Disease. After following patients for two years at 8-12 week intervals, it shows that increases in psychological distress can predict future activity of this rather extreme bowel disorder.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15139504

A 1996 study illustrating the strange relationship between different GI diseases and psychological disorders. The disorders include: IBS, functional dyspepsia, esophogial motility, and constipation.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed?term=8682574

A 1998 case-report of a 27 year old male that presented with jaundice but no fever. This is just another clear illustration of MDMA induced liver damage. Discontinuation of MDMA use resulted in recovery. Other MDMA users required liver transplant.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9767974


MDMA induced hepa-toxicity is well-documented.
The link between the bowels and mood disorders is a confusing and ongoing focus of study.

There are plenty of other examples of MDMA users experiencing bowel disturbances, if you care to look.

After reading the above links, there should remain little doubt about the serotonin link between the gut and the brain. If you need something more definitive, here is another great link:
http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib/20051005/news_1c05brain.html

Many doctors that study the intestines consider it the 'second brain'.
It is a very difficult field of study, and the disorders associated with digestive complaints are often associated with severe psychological problems.

However, it has been established that the majority of serotonin lies within the intestines, NOT the brain:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serotonin

ALL of this seems to support my primary assertions:

95 % of serotonin and serotonin receptors are found in the GUT, not the brain.
Serotonin is a cousin of stomach bile - both are derived from tryptophan alone.
Despite its prevalence in the intestines, the serotonin system is considered the most complex of all neurotransmitter systems in the brain.

MDMA and other serotonergic drugs (LSD, piperazines, mescaline) act upon the serotonin system, or the 'brain-gut' connection. If it weren't for the complexity of these intestinal nerves in the brain, 'rolling' would not be possible.

This highly complex system is less resilient than other neurotransmitter systems. MDMA, along with most of the other drugs on the list, has been associated with severe psychological disorders.

Both of you are pretty arrogant to think you know more than me.
Doctors are struggling to understand the relationship between serotonin, the intestines, and the brain.

So who the hell are you to criticize me?


You can continue to take shots at me, personally.
But what you WON'T do is challenge my data.

That much is clear. %)
 
Actually I just looked this up tonight in class to see if your first posts were about you enjoying MDMA... But they were about you getting sick from an enema lol. Your above assumptions are ridiculous man. You think I am just attacking you, but I am just annoyed by your relentless attempts to get people to stop using MDMA altogether. I don't know if you saw one of the Longest acting pillreports moderators (bearlove) tell you off but.... Yea. Enough said. MDMA is a drug that provides many benefits unless abused when it will cause negative side effects. You seem to ignore the positives, and that's cool... But no one takes you seriously.
 
Hahah why would you expect me to search your first post anyways? That's a total lie. I don't want an answer, please don't respond. I just want you to know that I know you're a hypochondriac and obviously have other problems going on. See a doctor, don't go around trying to scare others from using MDMA. Please do not respond!!
 
About time.

It is the only thread I've ever started...
Its not like it took that much 'digging' to find it.

I saw this coming a few days ago, seriously.
Pretty predictable...
It sure took you long enough.
It must have been too much reading for one night...

If this is all you needed to see to not 'take me seriously' anymore, good.
Both of you (splinter and chitown) have been up my ass lately.
You must really like it in there. :\

Did you stop to wonder why I would chose to leave such a thread available, when I could have easily deleted it long ago?

I'm sure many others have scrolled through my posts and my ONE thread, but you guys are the first ones to react this way. Hmmm...

I left this thread in place in the interest of objectivity and honesty.
That is what science is all about, right?
Knowing that it could detract from my credibility among certain users didn't dissuade me, either.

It seems you are rather threatened by my approach to MDMA.
You simply can't stand seeing a dissenting voice with such resolve and communication skills. That might explain why you prefer to attack me, rather than my assertions.

For this reason, I doubt you will even bother to click on the links below.
Again, too much reading...

For everyone else -
Have some knowledge:

Here is an example of other Bluelighters being curious about the interaction between MDMA and the bowels.
http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/archive/index.php/t-566453.html

Here they are talking about 'plugging'. Its easy to find more of these.
Some even claim that anal administration is the 'only' way to take it.
I never managed to try it...
http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=439976

A 2003 research paper illustrating the relationship between serotonin, the intestines, and psychological disorders. The authors used a tryptophan challenge to illicit symptoms among a large group of children. High dose tryptophan has been shown to elicit distress in former MDMA users...
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed?term=14560172

A 1996 study showing a direct link between the active stage of Irritable Bowel Syndrome and psychological distress.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed?term=8858749

A 2003 case-study of a severe case of IBS related psychological distress.
For 16 years this female patient sought medical help. She endured sexual abuse, psychological distress, and severe gastro-intestinal malfunction. They went as far as distending her rectum to illustrate the connection between the bowels and anxiety.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed?term=12612913

A 2004 study of 18 patients of Chron's Disease. After following patients for two years at 8-12 week intervals, it shows that increases in psychological distress can predict future activity of this rather extreme bowel disorder.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15139504

A 1996 study illustrating the strange relationship between different GI diseases and psychological disorders. The disorders include: IBS, functional dyspepsia, esophogial motility, and constipation.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed?term=8682574

A 1998 case-report of a 27 year old male that presented with jaundice but no fever. This is just another clear illustration of MDMA induced liver damage. Discontinuation of MDMA use resulted in recovery. Other MDMA users required liver transplant.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9767974


MDMA induced hepa-toxicity is well-documented.
The link between the bowels and mood disorders is a confusing and ongoing focus of study.

There are plenty of other examples of MDMA users experiencing bowel disturbances, if you care to look.

After reading the above links, there should remain little doubt about the serotonin link between the gut and the brain. If you need something more definitive, here is another great link:
http://www.signonsandiego.com/uniontrib/20051005/news_1c05brain.html

Many doctors that study the intestines consider it the 'second brain'.
It is a very difficult field of study, and the disorders associated with digestive complaints are often associated with severe psychological problems.

However, it has been established that the majority of serotonin lies within the intestines, NOT the brain:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serotonin

ALL of this seems to support my primary assertions:

95 % of serotonin and serotonin receptors are found in the GUT, not the brain.
Serotonin is a cousin of stomach bile - both are derived from tryptophan alone.
Despite its prevalence in the intestines, the serotonin system is considered the most complex of all neurotransmitter systems in the brain.

MDMA and other serotonergic drugs (LSD, piperazines, mescaline) act upon the serotonin system, or the 'brain-gut' connection. If it weren't for the complexity of these intestinal nerves in the brain, 'rolling' would not be possible.

This highly complex system is less resilient than other neurotransmitter systems. MDMA, along with most of the other drugs on the list, has been associated with severe psychological disorders.

Both of you are pretty arrogant to think you know more than me.
Doctors are struggling to understand the relationship between serotonin, the intestines, and the brain.

So who the hell are you to criticize me?


You can continue to take shots at me, personally.
But what you WON'T do is challenge my data.

That much is clear. %)

One could just as easily draw the conclusion that you're mental and physical problems stemmed from damaging your intestines with the enema, if digestive problems tend to go hand in hand with anxiety and mental disorders. You just happen to partake in that damaging act when you were on MDMA.

No one here claims no damage is done by abusing MDMA, quite the opposite in fact. But it's also important to keep things rational and not blown out of proportion. Not every case is worst case scenario.

No one's arguing that the brain gut connection exists. We read more or less the same post every time regardless of whether or not it's even relevant to the discussion it is posted in. The quoted response just might be the farthest departure from you're "re-wiring" and "brain-gut connection posts yet. I think that's the biggest issue at the moment.

So isn't it a bit arrogant of you to think you know more than any other individual on the site? You said yourself doctors are struggling to understand the connection...so why is it that you can understand the connection, or for that matter, form any sort of DEFINITIVE conclusion from the data you've read. You're data INDICATES things based on your interpretation of it, that isn't quite fact.
 
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Many doctors that study the intestines consider it the 'second brain'.
It is a very difficult field of study, and the disorders associated with digestive complaints are often associated with severe psychological problems.

However, it has been established that the majority of serotonin lies within the intestines, NOT the brain:
[B]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serotonin[/B]

ALL of this seems to support my primary assertions:

Once again you are simply quoting wikipedia and googling random research on the intestines. The only reason you are obsessed with the bowel region is obvious.

No one here is going to judge you for what you do with your friends...but face it...

Back in october you got to high on MDMA with your gay friends and then fucked up an enema and damaged your serotonin system. Isnt it obvious why your full of so much negativity and jaded energy?

You spend all night and day since we last heard from you digging up evidence like the world is going to end if you dont defeat me in some post. You probably wasted half your day for me. <3

And even still you fail to surprise me. Its rather entertaining watching you try and defend your draconian MDMA theorys when in reality your the one who fucked up his intestines.

Your more sensitve to MDMA then us. We get it. But the fact of the matter is that alot of the bluelight community find you to be a little "over-reactive" sometimes. Most of us really dont agree with your arguments and a lot of these people on this forum havnt even abused!

Yet you treat every conversation like an immature argument and present your theories like religion. To you, every bluelighter is just an e-tard and you are the chosen one who saw the truth and went on to 'spread the word'

ROFL. This isnt the matrix Neo. We dont respect your awesome powers and dope sunglasses. Your intellect is comparable to Keanu Reeves though...guess you two have that much.

So please just back of from the bluelight hostility for awhile. We all really do care about you an are concerned for your safety after such a traumatizin experience....I know it must be hell for you, but we bluelighters are here to help.

PM me if you need a friend. :(
 
^this. I am three years into a medicine degree (with another 6 to go!) and so much of what you have written has been broad strokes I mean you are telling people, for example, to take aspirins to minimize the risk of stroke. Stroke risk can only be reduced in women, and most, if not all of the people on this site with problems are men. In fact some of these people have had massive doses of MDMA enough to cause liver damage (albeit minor) but you are telling them to take aspirin daily?!! Do you know what this can do if they have suffered liver damage or a stomach ulcer?? If you are having problems I seriously advise you to seek medical advice and not play doctor on the internet. First bad comedown has a curious passion for what he is going through, which is admirable, but seriously you cannot begin to diagnose people over the god damn internet, even if you were a qualified neurologist!! -you would get sacked for this - I mean do you understand how complex the human body is? Or indeed how the brain even works? Or pharmacology? Its also pretty patronising to profess knowledge of the serotonin network with a wikipedia article! Does it not occur to you that some of these people may have experienced some cellular damage and need professional help? Also, stop posting medical journal articles, its like a three year old giving parenting advice.
 
^this. I am three years into a medicine degree (with another 6 to go!) and so much of what you have written has been broad strokes I mean you are telling people, for example, to take aspirins to minimize the risk of stroke. Stroke risk can only be reduced in women, and most, if not all of the people on this site with problems are men. In fact some of these people have had massive doses of MDMA enough to cause liver damage (albeit minor) but you are telling them to take aspirin daily?!! Do you know what this can do if they have suffered liver damage or a stomach ulcer?? If you are having problems I seriously advise you to seek medical advice and not play doctor on the internet. First bad comedown has a curious passion for what he is going through, which is admirable, but seriously you cannot begin to diagnose people over the god damn internet, even if you were a qualified neurologist!! -you would get sacked for this - I mean do you understand how complex the human body is? Or indeed how the brain even works? Or pharmacology? Its also pretty patronising to profess knowledge of the serotonin network with a wikipedia article! Does it not occur to you that some of these people may have experienced some cellular damage and need professional help? Also, stop posting medical journal articles, its like a three year old giving parenting advice.

I thoroughly enjoyed reading this at work today.
 
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