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Help - I think I am GOD and thus NOTHING

7ca5p said:
I answer that question in the quote of mine you added into your post..... :|

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Your reading through yours.

What I wrote was that if you replicate the system that creates conciousness, then you will create counciousness. What bit can't you accept about that?

Scientists will very soon be able to create artificial intelligence with its own conciousness.

You cannot dismiss a valid point without contributing contrary evidence, which you have failed to do. IamMe seems to be good at it, and I am enjoying reading his/her posts, however much they are not enjoying reading mine. Yours however was a blight on the discussion in my opinion.

Read my posts properly or don't bother replying.
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Hey don't mistake me dude, I'm a philosophy major at school and i LOVE these types of discussion. If I sound abrasive that's just my argumentative style (very forceful) and don't misinterpret that. You make some good points anyway.

For instance I don't think we're disagreeing as much as you think. I totally agree that you can VERY LIKELY produce artificial consciousness if you can exactly recreate the system of physical processes that lead to it.

In fact, this is factually true. If it weren't, new life, reproduction, wouldn't be possible. After all, reproduction is just recreating the system of processes need to produce conscious life. Unless everyone who is disagreeing with you is saying that they don't believe life will be conscious.
 
I dont feel so much a god as a much as I feel like a chaotic neutral-good force on the people who's lives I tend to involve. Im not sure if i am a good or a bad person, it probably depends on the perspective; but what I am sure of is that the majority of them thank me for it. I tend to encourage "bad" behaviour, but then again I try to kind of bring people to the idea of thinking "Is this what i think, or is it what i have been told to think?" Why can't we be physically close to friends? You should be comfortable enough with your friends for that, im not even talking in a sexual manner, but just letting people in your bubble and having them do the same.

Someone asked me where a bunch of bite marks came from and i said that they were from my friends girlfriend... He had a "wtf?" moment, and then i explained that her boyfriend was ok with it, were all just pretty comfortable with each other and he knows that im never going to go for her. Mild cuddliness is allowed as long as its not sexual. It makes being single a little easier when occasionally you can just lay with your head getting scratched in someone's lap watching a movie for a bit.
 
7ca5p wins..

Like i said..

If i were to alter your physical brain in any way it would alter your consciousness.. you can't deny that. That must mean that consciousness is / comes from a physical thing.. the brain.
 
no, you're only establishing a correlation. that is not the same thing as a cause.

but i think 7ca5p has already somewhat grudgingly agreed to that distinction. that isn't to say that those correlations won't hold 100% of the time though. we just don't really understand them perfectly
 
DwayneHoover said:
A chair is a physical object subject to newtons laws of motion etc. A consciousness is NOT.To just claim "protons and electrons and energy generate consciousness" is an utterly facile and useless remark
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*spews a load of anatomy on this sentence to cover it up*
 
IamMe90 said:
no, you're only establishing a correlation. that is not the same thing as a cause.

but i think 7ca5p has already somewhat grudgingly agreed to that distinction. that isn't to say that those correlations won't hold 100% of the time though. we just don't really understand them perfectly
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Fair.

But there is no evidence to support the theory that consciousness is something other than a complex network of cells and chemicals.. we just don't fully understand how it is, yet.
 
7ca5p said:
I answer that question in the quote of mine you added into your post..... :|

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Your reading through yours.

What I wrote was that if you replicate the system that creates conciousness, then you will create counciousness. What bit can't you accept about that?

Scientists will very soon be able to create artificial intelligence with its own conciousness.

You cannot dismiss a valid point without contributing contrary evidence, which you have failed to do. IamMe seems to be good at it, and I am enjoying reading his/her posts, however much they are not enjoying reading mine. Yours however was a blight on the discussion in my opinion.

Read my posts properly or don't bother replying.
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What evidence do you have that "Scientists will very soon be able to create artificial intelligence with its own conciousness"?

It's pure supposition.
 
"'God also likes to play hide and seek, but because there is nothing outside God, he has no one but himself to play with. But he gets over this difficulty by pretending that he is not himself. This is his way of hiding from himself. He pretends that he is you and I and all the people in the world, all the animals, all the plants, all the rocks, and all the stars...'
'Now when God plays hide and seek and pretends that he is you and I, he does it so well that it takes him a long to remember where and how he hid himself. But that's the whole fun of it - just what he wanted to do. He doesn't want to find himself to quickly, for that would spoil the game. That is why it is so difficult for you and me to find out that we are God in disguise, pretending not to be himself. But when the game has gone on long enough, all of us will wake up, stop pretending, and remember that we are all one single Self - the God who is all that there is and who lives forever and ever....'
'God is the self of the world, but you can't see God for the same reason that, without a mirror, you can't see your own eyes, and you certainly can't bite your own teeth or look inside your own head. Your self is that cleverly hidden because it is God hiding.'"
-Alan Watts "The Book On the Taboo Against Knowing Who You Are"

You are God, and you are playing the ultimate "Joker trick" on yourself, but so is everything else.
 
I think most of the above posters have already given you great advice for a situation such as this. I just wanted to add that you're not alone in these feelings and as others have pointed out it's actually a quite common thought, revelation to think about. I've thought about this question for some time now and it really came to light after tripping for a good bit. I was in a similar situation for a while and had to integrate some horrific thoughts and experiences to my sober self about the notion of being God. It's taken years but I've finally realized that if it is true AT ALL, then i'm taking it way too literally and out of context. In a sense I do believe that each and every one of us are kind of our own god; because nobody else will ever be able to sit inside of my mind and look through my perception of the world, and vise versa. I create my own perception and reality in my head. As far as the one who created the external world for all humanity to experience, then no I am not God. It's a very hard concept to sift through in your head and can seem so true but ultimately I don't believe it is, in the sense you're thinking. You'll get past this in one piece man. Just try to relax and you'll sort it out for yourself.
 
they say when you talk to god, its called praying...

but when god talks to you its called schizophrenia.

-fox mulder

haha humans... ill never understand them.
 
7ca5p said:
I cannot answer WHY the organisation of these particles creates consciousness, but it does. much in the same way that I can answer WHY the organisation of these particles create the chair you are sitting on, but they do.
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Specialspack has already addressed the limitation of the chair analogy, but I thought I'd help further clarify the issue at hand. In psood0nym's post below, substitute "digestive system" with "chair" and you may see why your analogy is inappropriate, and why explaining consciousness is not nearly as straightforward as some would like to think.

psood0nym said:
... I understand how my shirt emerges from cotton, or how in stereochemistry chemical properties emerge irreducibly not from the substance of their constituents but from the immaterial spatial relationships those constituents hold to one another. But while material description does not exhaust the description of properties emerging from spatial relationships, third-person data still does. This is why I'm a little confused by the analogy you make between the digestive system and the mind: because the digestive system's kind of emergence isn't a problem in the same way the mind's is. To go back to stereochemistry, unlike the physical and mental, it's clear that substance and spatial relation aren't two distinct ontological categories.

That the brain is intrinsic to mental interaction with the physical world is obvious, but Intentionality, the fact that mental events are always about something, and physical events never are, is a huge chasm that in my opinion couldn't distinguish between the two more deeply or decisively. "Aboutness" is fantastically different than "thingness". Epiphenomenalism seems like something from nothing. That the mental can fundamentally emerge meaninglessly from the physical just because purely physical, non-experiential components are arranged complexly in certain ways--despite its being the predominant view among scientists--seems like dogmatic and magical thinking to me that falls far short of what our intuitions tell us. Notice the austere distinction between fundamental intuitions about ourselves and our frequently wrong intuitions about the physical world. As a matter of simple epistemic privilege these latter intuitions are the one's frequently displaced by scientific description and not the former.
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There was another thread on consciousness that might interest you.
 
In particle physics, the strong interaction (also called the strong force, strong nuclear force, or colour force) is one of the four fundamental interactions of nature, the others being electromagnetism, the weak interaction and gravitation. It is a non-contact force. At atomic scale, it is about 100 times stronger than electromagnetism, which in turn is orders of magnitude stronger than the weak force and gravitation.

The strong interaction is observable in two areas: On the larger scale, it is the force that binds protons and neutrons together to form the nucleus of an atom. On the smaller scale, it is also the force that holds quarks and gluons together to form the proton, the neutron and other particles.

In the context of binding protons and neutrons (nucleons) together to form atoms, the strong interaction is called the nuclear force (or residual strong force). In this case, it is the residuum of the strong interaction between the quarks that make up the protons and neutrons. As such, the residual strong interaction obeys a quite different distance-dependent behavior between nucleons, from when it is acting to bind quarks within nucleons.

The strong force is thought to be mediated by gluons, acting upon quarks, antiquarks, and the gluons themselves. This is detailed in the theory of quantum chromodynamics (QCD).


is thought matter? or is thought a non matter?
we do not possess mind. rather, we are mind.

want to know gods true identity?
look at the clock on your wall.
the only thing creating things in its image, is the infinite passing of time. nothing in this world is the same as it was five minutes prior. situations, things, non-things, everything changes. it is all made, created, changed due to the laws of physics. god didnt create us in his image. time did. therefore god=time. and here we are going to church worshipping fairytales. when actuality, if god where an entity, every single one of his decisions would ineveitably succumb to time. even if god himself stood still, time and moments would continue to pass. so who is the more powerful force? a spiritual entity ruling the world? or the time/moment in which his decisions are made.
time = god
 
in some ways i agree with that time is God thing. Cause time is relative as is the perception of what god is. To many of us and most us with common sense god is like NOTHING, just an image that gives us comfort that there is something to this life and some kind of meaning in the big picture...different images perjexted poof this supposed being are brought forth by different groups to represent the purpose that it serves the creator of said image whtehr it be control or true belief that that is their creator, master, father or whatever it may be..

as tot he OP I went through a similiar situation when i had tripped alot and realized that nothing mattered so got Really bad into coke, then heroin, then meth then back into h on and off until a few weeks ago...had been struggling with it on and off but not nearly as bad as years ago...Only thing that saved me was someone i love..not prison, rehab, overdoses, near death, lose of moeny, homelessness, or loss of hope for the future but love of a woman. And knowning that things usually dont last as we want them to, and sometimes actually often never reach the state we want them to be, I now do it for my self. Everyone has to find their own reason to live on and their own meaining to their own existence...

If you believe in life after eath (which i beleive there may be but if there is its so far beyond the ability of humanbs to copmprehend its nature that its not worth worrying about till we get there) and you believe that what you do here has any determnation of what happens there then i guess live your life accordingly.

If you feel that you really SHOULD do H and this all hasnt talked you oput of it just try your BEST to remain the best person you can through it all , use as responsibly as possible and stay true to whatever you define yourself as
 
netcrusher said:
I have had the overwhelming notion that I was GOD ( last 5 trips ) and I was playing the ultimate “Joker trick” on myself because I was all that there was and this was the only way to live (thinking I was not GOD). To be amongst all the little people in a ‘duality of life experience’ ! Nonetheless, the only way I could convince myself that I was not GOD was infact to play this horrible joke on myself. Now is there any cure for this feeling as it felt like mystic truth… that was the horrible part. It felt more real… Has anyone felt this terribly egocentric notion that they were GOD, but GOD ALONE vrs NOTHING ELSE… or nothingness and that it was in danger….. H is the only option for me now
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I've had this same delusion. Happens every single time I do nitrous oxide. I feel like I've created the illusion of my life to try and divide myself. I also feel like each time I go further out, I'm coming closer to shattering this illusion I've created and that I'll go back to being nothing / everything. That the universe will collapse and take everything I've ever loved / known with it.

Dwell on it. If God were a sentient being; he'd be lonely.

Can't really offer you help, as this delusion has no bearing on my life once I leave "wah-wah land".

It's pure supposition.
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Wait for it. I guarantee it'll happen within your lifetime. See whole brain emulation. You need a [preferably non-invasive] way to map the brain structure, the software to run the emulation, and hardware capable of handling the execution. It doesn't even have to be in real time (although it's possible to run brain emulations FASTER than actual brains are capable of).



"Consciousness" pervades everything. It is the state / interaction of existence. There's nothing special constructing your reality / consciousness. See emergence. You are the culmination of an immense array of biochemical reactions.



How do you know you're not already within a computer? Not a serious question, but fun to entertain.
 
netcrusher said:
I have had the overwhelming notion that I was GOD ( last 5 trips ) and I was playing the ultimate “Joker trick” on myself because I was all that there was and this was the only way to live (thinking I was not GOD). To be amongst all the little people in a ‘duality of life experience’ ! Nonetheless, the only way I could convince myself that I was not GOD was infact to play this horrible joke on myself. Now is there any cure for this feeling as it felt like mystic truth… that was the horrible part. It felt more real… Has anyone felt this terribly egocentric notion that they were GOD, but GOD ALONE vrs NOTHING ELSE… or nothingness and that it was in danger….. H is the only option for me now
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You obviously do plenty of drugs. Sobriety?
 
Mercury (Hg) said:
Can't really offer you help, as this delusion has no bearing on my life once I leave "wah-wah land".
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Check this shit out, try to form a bunch of ideas about the implications of such a concept somehow affecting everything you know and try living by it for just a little and see if you can feel a difference, never mind that this is the most ridiculous sounding delusion of them all. Or don't!
 
Mercury (Hg) said:
I've had this same delusion. Happens every single time I do nitrous oxide. I feel like I've created the illusion of my life to try and divide myself. I also feel like each time I go further out, I'm coming closer to shattering this illusion I've created and that I'll go back to being nothing / everything. That the universe will collapse and take everything I've ever loved / known with it.

Dwell on it. If God were a sentient being; he'd be lonely.

Can't really offer you help, as this delusion has no bearing on my life once I leave "wah-wah land".


Wait for it. I guarantee it'll happen within your lifetime. See whole brain emulation. You need a [preferably non-invasive] way to map the brain structure, the software to run the emulation, and hardware capable of handling the execution. It doesn't even have to be in real time (although it's possible to run brain emulations FASTER than actual brains are capable of).



"Consciousness" pervades everything. It is the state / interaction of existence. There's nothing special constructing your reality / consciousness. See emergence. You are the culmination of an immense array of biochemical reactions.



How do you know you're not already within a computer? Not a serious question, but fun to entertain.
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A god that is sentient could be lonely. THE God that is sentient would not allow loneliness. Perfect implies no want or lack.
 
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