Opioids help.Hydromorph-Contins beads-kinda long

[MistaSmokalot]

I think I'm just going to stop buying this stuff,as sad as it is.
In Canada, we get hydromorph-contin. sum would think, HOLY CRAP, that sounds great! dilaudid-contin....but these pills are becoming retarded after a while. and I need some input.

Lets start this off...My freind aquired some of the 30mg hydromorph contins, and we were super ready to get hi, but they have these small beads inside that are hard as diamonds (Im not sure if the beads are the same as other drugs with time release...these seem different, they are white and almost shiny)..

we knew we had to get them crushed, so we put the beads in his COFFEE GRINDER..I swear he was holding the grinder on for almost 10 minutes, shaking constantly, and it was grinded up, but it wasnt powder in ANY way..we sniffed it and it felt like small peices of sand going up there. I dont have a coffe grinder so I went thru multiple ways... coins on a wooden table (Hurts my thumb like a bitch), spoons (dont work), even pill crushers (crushing for like 10-20 minutes) I have YET to find a way that puts these beads in a reasonable fasion to snort without gettin nose problems..the best way so far is to use a coin and circle it with your thumb on the beads on a wooden table (Watch 4 splinters) So I thought about a great idea, A CWE...without the cold...Im used to doing them because im from canada and thats what you do with codeines here, so why not with those fuckin contin pill binders.

So I looked it up, and this is whats in the pill:

colloidal silicon dioxide, dibutyl sebacate, ethyl cellulose, hydroxypropyl methylcellulose, magnesium stearate and microcrystalline cellulose

All of this *crap* is not water soluble from what I gathered (unless im wrong) and I know that users here IV the water solution and say it works all the time...SOooo Thats what I just did (tonight), I didnt use alot, just 2 pills. Crushed them in my pill crusher; a screw top that I bought just to crush these things, and it dosent even crush them that well, I can do better with coins...(so 60mg of hydromorphone..I can usually tolerate 10-15mg as a starter insulfated) I added some hot but not boiling water, really just a few drops, and stirred/poked with the handle of a screwdriver..

now weird thing here....it dosent even seem like the crushed beads do anything when i stir and poke them, so I keep doing this for 15 minutes and then the water gets slightly chalky but there is still obvious solids on the bottom.
It looks like ALOT of the powder is still there, same form, not really in any different shape from before, (still sandy looking), so I go ahead and put this solution in the freezer to let cool off...but Im thinking that because hydromorph is soluble in water, and the other ingredients arent, and seem to be binding ingredients, I dont need to cool it off to freezing or anything like that...

So I filter and what is left in the filter seems to be the exact same amount of powder that was there before...so just to be careful, I saved the 'junk' powder.

This is where I think I may have went wrong.......
I'm impatient, and with such a small amount of water (couple drops) I wanted to get this stuff crystalized on the plate...So I put the plate on Low-2 on my glass electric stove and I kept a look on it and blew as necessary...it was all evaporated within 10 mins (I did this with no light on whatsoever)

What is left on my plate???

Pretty much nothing, no crystals, just a few i can get off with a razorblade, but i threw it out as it was not even .3 of a mg id think. So I either did something wrong..maybe to high of heat (looking for peoples input here) or contins cant be CWE'd properly????????? maybe I didnt use enough water or heated to much, but I know what Im doing, and it seemed like a perfect ratio.

I still have the white 'junk' powder that I filtered out.., maybe I shuld ingest some of it orally and see if I feel anything..

Ive been a rec cocaine user and sniffed multiple other things before including kanna and bunch of other stuff (never meth tho) and I only get nosebleeds when im pickin it LOL, and all in all my nose and myself are healthy...but now....after sniffing these crushed beads....my nose is always running, i cant breathe thru it, i talk like urkel and it makes me not wanna do the contins...and now I feel like I just wasted 60mg of pills with a stupid extraction...But Im kinda SAD because these are great pills..and its hard to find the regular 8mgs around here....I snorted the 30mgs for months using the coin method..and one will last me a while..and theyre cheap!!!!!

Does anybody here have a personal method to get binders OUT of these beads, without any advanced instructions?

 

[oliphill]

You threw it out?? 60mg is very very small looking you know.

 

[MistaSmokalot]

Sorry let me rephrase..
I re added it back to the 'junk' I saved

I have a mg scale here, no way it woulda weighed to 60mg

 

[Kurrupt]

Is the inside of the crusher flat like a mortar + pestle or spikey? The flat ones (or an actual mortar and pestle) work alot better, I can powder the hydromorphcontin beads with them. Dunno much about sniffin' em though, any IV user here will tell your if your not shootin' em (or at the least plugging them, if you don't and won't IV - not that I'm saying you should start) your wasting them.

 

[Deluded]

Ive shot these pills for years

1. take a bowl and a flat bottom glass.
2. put tablets in bowl and use glass to grind.
3. once it becomes a powder, empty into spoon.
4. now, add 75 units of water for every 12mg of beads.
5. use your lighter and heat the solution, the powder will still be there, but as the solution gets hot, the water will absorb the hydromorphone.
6. use the cap of your syringe and stir.
7. drop a piece of cotton in the solution, and draw the liquid up.
8. enjoy your rush, its great.

 

[MistaSmokalot]

I bought the plastic, flat pill crushers

yes they crush the beads, after you grind it and grind it for 20 mins.. but in no way shape form does it ever resemble powder, it resembles soft sand.

Yeah I know what people here think I have been here for almost 10 years but I dont shoot anything, I let doctors do that...and to be honest, Ive sniffed and popped oxy... and dialudid is way better to sniff, WAy....BETTER. and i get Oxy IR 20mg, 1 of those dosent even touch a 8mg dilaudid in my opinion (no IV). I dont care about waste because where Im from, no one shoots there drugs and its absolutly junked to be shooting here, so Im fine with the waste there is alot to be wasted!!!!

This is what Im doing right now

Im mixing the junk that was left (and the crystals I threw in the junk) with hotter water, going to let it sit for a few minutes, then get a small plunger (with no syringe) and suck up the water on the top and plunge it into my nose LOL..and since my nose is FUCKED from sniffing one line of those crushed beads i think ill need to plunge it anyways...(I found this technique by searching google for like 20 mins)

if anyone cares il post how it goes lol

showing me how to shoot up is seriously NON harm reduction as well just to let yall know

i know how to shoot dope, i will not do it, i wont smoke crack either

i see it done everyday,,,, i have no want or need to do it, i like sniffing and poppin my ish.

without bumpin my thread Im editing in to let everyone know I did the plunger method and it works but seems more like i ingested it orally than sniffed it, so no rush.... I think im gonna say goodbye to these reds and wait till i can get a real pill

 

[rhythmtech]

Ive shot these pills for years

1. take a bowl and a flat bottom glass.
2. put tablets in bowl and use glass to grind.
3. once it becomes a powder, empty into spoon.
4. now, add 75 units of water for every 12mg of beads.
5. use your lighter and heat the solution, the powder will still be there, but as the solution gets hot, the water will absorb the hydromorphone.
6. use the cap of your syringe and stir.
7. drop a piece of cotton in the solution, and draw the liquid up.
8. enjoy your rush, its great.

You really do not need to heat these pills. All you are doing is allowing otherwise insoluble binders and fillers to get in your solution. Dilaudid is very water soluble.

 

[Kurrupt]

You really do not need to heat these pills. All you are doing is allowing otherwise insoluble binders and fillers to get in your solution. Dilaudid is very water soluble.

The HMContin are weird, if you want a proper shot you must apply heat. Without heat the shot feels half-strength.

 

[DynoSpec]

get a piece of tile, and a couple bills. pour out no more than 10-15mg at a time so its not super time consuming, and make a nice little "pile" place a bill over the pile, and seal the edges with your fingers. use the bottom of a lighter, the kinda pointy rounded part at the bottom, and crush these through the bill, once they are in smaller pieces, run the bottom of the lighter over the pile with moderate pressure, once you have pretty small pieces, use the flat side of the lighter and a lot of pressure to make a nice fine powder. kinda time consuming, but it always works for me. get IR next time if you can, much less effort

 

[rhythmtech]

The HMContin are weird, if you want a proper shot you must apply heat. Without heat the shot feels half-strength.

Hmm.. I always just use lukewarm water (sterile water from exchange) in my shots. I sometimes do up to 2 HydroMorph 30's. So maybe I'm not getting it all in the shot? I might try some heat later on when i acquire some..

 

[Kurrupt]

Ya I've experimented with both and the shot is always much stronger when I apply 5 seconds or so of heat, enough to get a few bubbles going... strange because hydromorphone is soluble in cold water I know but try both ways and you'll see. Could be heat helps bring the hydromorphone out the beads, or effects the delivery system somehow, I don't know but try yourself, you'll see...

 

[MistaSmokalot]

So the solution has been plunged into my nose and yeah its ok, I just puked my peice of pizza so i must be feeling high, but not really, and thats 60 mg...! so Im going to cut my usage cold turkey after today, cuz imo 60mg is WAY to much to not feel a good rush as I usually do. and my nose IS fucked, I cant even do a fuckin line of coke without it really annpoying me and this has never happened in my time of doing blow ALOT...FUCK PILL BINDERS!!!!!!!!

Ya I've experimented with both and the shot is always much stronger when I apply 5 seconds or so of heat, enough to get a few bubbles going... strange because hydromorphone is soluble in cold water I know but try both ways and you'll see. Could be heat helps bring the hydromorphone out the beads, or effects the delivery system somehow, I don't know but try yourself, you'll see...

I've seen debates on this as well, and EVERYONE has a different opinion for sum reaz..even on the other forums.

seems like you know especially if youve done it both ways....but whats the science in it? I would think heating the solution would def melt the bad ingredients in...sort of like what your stomach would do to break the time release down.....and dilaudid is water soluble...so what is it doing when you heat it?!?! could one of the binders be making the shot better by mixing with the morph? fuck i dunno. i dont shoot.

 

[Deluded]

mistasokalot, ummmmm, all i wastrying to do was tell you how to properly do it, and yes, that is hrm reduction. when we get people like you who know absolutely nothing about something, we try to set them straight.....im trying to help you get the most out of your shot, since i can tell by your post you havent a clue what your doing.
rythmtech, telling people to cold shot pills is reckless and adds danger to something that is already dangerous. NEVER cold shot these pills. Use sterile water, and you should use .2 wheel filters.
i have no trouble turning these beads into a fin powder in 2 minutes with a bowl and glass, or morter and pestle. The are my second favorite pill to inject, the first bing dilaudid tabs, third bein MS IRs.

BTW......heating it increases the absorbency , and fends off most strains of bacteria.Thats the obvious science behind it. The same reason people boil lakewater before using it for cooking and consumption ......

 

[DynoSpec]

hydromorph contin has microcrystalline wax doesnt it? dont heat that before shooting

 

[gibby_420]

mistasokalot, ummmmm, all i wastrying to do was tell you how to properly do it, and yes, that is hrm reduction. when we get people like you who know absolutely nothing about something, we try to set them straight.....im trying to help you get the most out of your shot, since i can tell by your post you havent a clue what your doing.
rythmtech, telling people to cold shot pills is reckless and adds danger to something that is already dangerous. NEVER cold shot these pills. Use sterile water, and you should use .2 wheel filters.
i have no trouble turning these beads into a fin powder in 2 minutes with a bowl and glass, or morter and pestle. The are my second favorite pill to inject, the first bing dilaudid tabs, third bein MS IRs.

BTW......heating it increases the absorbency , and fends off most strains of bacteria.Thats the obvious science behind it. The same reason people boil lakewater before using it for cooking and consumption ......

^ The only thing that is accomplished by boiling a pill shot is having binders/fillers dissolve into the shot that can no longer be easily filtered from the solution. Boiling will not effectively kill bacteria unless maintained for at least 5 minutes, thus causing the Hydromorphone to degrade severely.

I have been banging Dilaudid tablets for longer then I can remember, and more recently the Hydromorph Contin caps as well. I have found using a little bit of heat to be absolutely necessary for the caps and benificial for the tabs. The warm water will indeed yeild a stronger shot for both tablets and caps. I go about 6-7 seconds with a Bic lighter, but nowhere near boiling and let it completely cool before filtering. I have boiled shots in the past and found them to be substantially weaker then the warmed shots.

I always use a 0.2um Micron Filter when prepping shots. If I was only cotton filtering I would not heat the shot at all to ensure I could remove as much binders/fillers as possible with a cotton.

When heat is not used, allow the solution sit for at least 5-10 minutes while stirring frequently before filtering. This will ensure that as much as possible of the Hydromorphone is dissolved into solution.

 

[gibby_420]

This thread kinda went for a dump didn't it.

 

[pumpkinpills]

clarification PLEASE

I receive a large script of 12 mg hydromorphone contin every month, and I've been reading all kinds of threads on this site and on others and need clarification on how to IV these pills, and if it is even possible. Can someone please give me the answers

 

[Smokey McPot]

I used to do like 4 30mg lines of these contins a day and they really do fuck your nose up after a while. To crush em i would empty out loads of pills into a magic bullet and it would do the trick but like you said it would be a sandy-ish powder, although there would be a layer of really fine powder stuck to the sides which seemed more potent so maybe that was all goodies idono.

the trick to snorting these i found was to snort a bit of water after to help whatevers left of the beads dissolve/ kick in better