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Heroin Help! Have questions about WDs - trying to kick it for good.

Etolk92

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Hello all this is my first post, im a long time browser of blue light so i decided to make an account.

Basically im from nyc and have been using opiates for 3 year (roxys for the first 2 and heroin for the last year) i have a very very high tolerance and i get pretty good dope, id say maybe a 8/10. I usually IV 2-2.5 bundles at a time, and have done as many as 15 bundles in one night. This heavy tolerance is from years of doing opiates with only 1 long term break (5 months). Ive ODed twice and lately i dont even enjoy this drug anymore. Ive sold everything i had to maintain my habit and am at rock bottom so im here for help.

Everytime i try to quit i basically do a shot at 11 pm of my "last day" of getting high and the next day is fine. I smoke a lot of pot, take a xanax around 8 pm when the WDs start and i am able to sleep for aprox 8 hours. The next day when i wake up (day 2 or 36 hours clean) i yawn like crazy and sneeze 6 times in a row every 5 minutes. Ive done some research and this is from not enough oxygen going to my brain, i think. I take a suboxone after forcing down some food or drinking an ensure. For some reason after my first dose of suboxone i start going crazy. I start dripping sweat fom my armpits, i get extreme restless legs, my back feels like its toing to jump out through my stomache i get extremely nautious, bla bla extreme WDs. When i was in rehab they gave my suboxone a few times as far as i can remember, and i asked them to switch me over to subutex because you can swallow subutex as a pill.

My 2 biggest questions are, am i taking the suboxone too early because of my high doses (i know im in WDs because of signs i.e. diahria, yawning, resless legs etc.) or is it possible i have a negative reaction to it? Or does the first dose of bupe normally make you nautious and start the process of getting this poison out of your body? And the second question is, is there anything to stop the yawning and sneezing that i can buy in a pharmacy?

Any other suggestions or help would be greatly appreciated. Thank you for reading, i know it was a little long. - E.
 
i'd say you sound like you put yourself in precipitated withdrawal (ie. you took sub too early). Bupe doesn't get the poison out of your body it just replaces it with another strong as fuck opioid (in doing so it knocks any other opiate off the receptor making you go into withdrawal really badly). I'm not sure what causes the yawning and sneezing, maybe something to do with histamine being all fucked up from long periods of opiate use but i don't usually get those symptoms in withdrawal.

my suggestion is to just wait longer to take suboxone and realize that it's still a very potent and strong opioid (bupe that is). And remember high doses aren't necessarily better with sub, do some research and you'll find tons of dosage suggestions around here.
 
Get an over the counter antihistamine such as promethazine and it will help mitigate the sneezing, teary eyes and runny nose.

Arent antihistamines for allergies? Do you think it will help or have you used it for this problem before? Thank you for your suggestion and if you have used it in the past which brand do you think would work the best?
 
^They are, but it will still help. WD symptoms can include sneezing like mad, runny nose, etc. Allergy type shit.

Tell me now, cause I'm a semi-retired NYC dope user and I got dosage questions......
You shoot 2.5 B's in a shot?!?! Disregarding quality(which sounds insane) how do you get that much powder diluted and into a syringe?
I'm not trying to dog you. I just, I don't know.... I used for close to a decade, a lot of the time daily, 3x a day, and my typical dose of Brooklyn and/or Manhattan dope was 3-4 bags. I'm just looking for clarity.
But, yes. You're throwing yourself into the worst of withdrawals by taking Suboxone that fast. Precipitated. If I waited any less than 24 hours since my last shot before taking Bupe, my WD symptoms would be very similar to yours. I would want to die.
 
^They are, but it will still help. WD symptoms can include sneezing like mad, runny nose, etc. Allergy type shit.

Tell me now, cause I'm a semi-retired NYC dope user and I got dosage questions......
You shoot 2.5 B's in a shot?!?! Disregarding quality(which sounds insane) how do you get that much powder diluted and into a syringe?
I'm not trying to dog you. I just, I don't know.... I used for close to a decade, a lot of the time daily, 3x a day, and my typical dose of Brooklyn and/or Manhattan dope was 3-4 bags. I'm just looking for clarity.
But, yes. You're throwing yourself into the worst of withdrawals by taking Suboxone that fast. Precipitated. If I waited any less than 24 hours since my last shot before taking Bupe, my WD symptoms would be very similar to yours. I would want to die.

Agree. That is a lot of powder. Im from brooklyn n the dope is fire. But I wpuldnt get more than like 5 in a shotsubs never worked for me. Always got me into withdrawals. No matter how long i waited. Like max 2 days. Methadone is what helped me.
 
^Yeah, 3-4 would have me waking on the floor about a quarter of the time. IDK.
Sub is shit, IMO, but it seems to work for a lot of people. I just bounced back and forth.
Methadone works, for certain. Just a task...
 
It could be possible you are being thrown in PW's based on the size of your habit and individual metabolism. Some people get sick a lot faster than others. You could also be just doing way too much dope for the suboxone to matter. If you're habit is big enough to where you would need more than 30-50mg's of methadone to get well (which isn't hard to get a habit that big, I know that all too well unfortunately) then suboxone will not work for you.

For cases like that, it is suggested that one use methadone and then taper down to less than 30mg's and then switch over to suboxone if they want to.
 
i'd say you sound like you put yourself in precipitated withdrawal (ie. you took sub too early). Bupe doesn't get the poison out of your body it just replaces it with another strong as fuck opioid (in doing so it knocks any other opiate off the receptor making you go into withdrawal really badly). I'm not sure what causes the yawning and sneezing, maybe something to do with histamine being all fucked up from long periods of opiate use but i don't usually get those symptoms in withdrawal.

my suggestion is to just wait longer to take suboxone and realize that it's still a very potent and strong opioid (bupe that is). And remember high doses aren't necessarily better with sub, do some research and you'll find tons of dosage suggestions around here.


Hah funny you ask. That was a bitch, the quantity of the bags was about a 4/10 they were pretty small but never the less it was a shit load of powder, i would go to a pharmacy that i found that carried 3 CC and 30 gauge (1/2 inch) needles and i would use 2.5 CCs of water so basically 1 CC for every bag. It was a bitch to hit a vein since the 3 CC didnt come with the 29 gauge (1/4) inch needles which i started with so i missed a bunch of shots.. Frustrating as fuck especially when your putting 28 mgs of poison in your arms.

Thank you for your advice.

Can anyone who had the same dosage as me, or knows a lot about how bupes/opiates, tell me what is the MAX time that the heroin can stay in my body before i should take a bupe? I remember a guy at TTC rehab that told me his wife would get sick if she took a sub any less then 48 hours from her last dose and she also had a very big habit. Im going to try to hold out to 60 hours before i take a sub this time around and if i fall into withdrawels again im going to fucking go coldturkey because this is bullshit relief my ass. 2 hours after i took the sub i went running to my dope dealer, did a 2 bundle shot and had instant relief. The part of the suboxon thats supposed to not be able to get you high is also bullshit in my book, maybe it works for some people but i know a bunch of people that took a sub in the morning and changed their minds and went to cop smack in the afternoon and it got them as high as usual along with a wierd feeling slightly different from the normal heroin high. - E.
 
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