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Im 16 years old and ive tripped on salvia a good amount of times. However I totaled 12 salvia trips in 1-2 weeks some times going trip after trip. I was wondering if this was bad for me. Also I feel life is less "real" and find it lacking in significance now that the big picture has been revealed. Im struggling through depression which i believe is related to my anxiety/ocd. I feel weird and uncomfortable in my own body at times and i have to remind myself im alive and this is really happening.
 
Salvinorin A said:
Im 16 years old and ive tripped on salvia a good amount of times. However I totaled 12 salvia trips in 1-2 weeks some times going trip after trip. I was wondering if this was bad for me. Also I feel life is less "real" and find it lacking in significance now that the big picture has been revealed. Im struggling through depression which i believe is related to my anxiety/ocd. I feel weird and uncomfortable in my own body at times and i have to remind myself im alive and this is really happening.
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Putting the question out there is answering it. Read your own post more carefully and you'll see what I mean.

I totaled 12 salvia trips in 1-2 weeks some times going trip after trip. I was wondering if this was bad for me.
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Im struggling through depression which i believe is related to my anxiety/ocd.
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I feel life is less "real" and find it lacking in significance now that the big picture has been revealed. I feel weird and uncomfortable in my own body at times and i have to remind myself im alive and this is really happening.
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Sorry for pulling out quotes like this, but de-realization is not abnormal after heavy psychedelic abuse, especially if the substance you're using also has dissociative effects.

By the way, I really doubt that you've seen the whole picture. Not that I'm doubting your experience, but since you're only sixteen years old, you can imagine there's much more that life has to offer that you haven't experienced yet.

Lay off the drugs for a while. Do things that make you feel good. Meditation, exercising, eating healthily and sleeping well are the best things you can do right now. Take care of yourself. You should be coming back to yourself after a while. Don't rush it, just let it be.

Also, if you have been diagnosed with ocd and/or depression, it might be good to talk to a therapist about it (if you don't already have one). If your bout of depression has come up after your period of intensified salvia use, those things might very well be related. Take care! (I mean, really: take care of yourself!) :)
 
The big picture is never revealed, even if you've uncovered some great cosmic truth there is always more nuance to be found. Especially if you've only seen it from the (admittedly powerful) salvia angle. You should actually take up meditation, will put things in to further perspective. Have been in a similar position I think, the key is integrating your knowledge and learning to live with it, something meditation has helped with tremendously

More importantly, you need to learn how to put these things to rest. How meaningless it may seem, our physical reality is still our physical reality.
 
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Is meditation hard? Thanks for your response. Would it be safe for me to do more pyschs soon or should i give it a rest
 
Meditation can be very hard so don't give up if you feel like you aren't getting anywhere at first. When you let go of all thought, you will be at the core of your true self where you will discover truths that you had inside you all along. Also if I were you I'd lay off psyches for a while, maybe a couple months. When you start back up try to limit yourself to once a week or something.
 
Yeah man definitely take it easy with the salvia for a while. It's a wonderful drug but not meant to be abused like that, just way too powerful.

I too have done plenty of salvia and plenty of DMT. I have tripped so hard on DMT that my ego disintegrated in a matter of milliseconds and I had visuals and auditory that are atypical for a psychedelic experience, they were kinda psychedelic but very dark and terrifying. They weren't those pretty fractal patterns and shit, it was like....impossible to describe honestly. My point in telling you this is that I still don't think I've seen anything near the whole picture. There's things that humans can't know, and these drugs only give you a taste of that, only showing you the basics and what it's like, not the whole thing.

Try meditation as stated above me. It helps with everything. I have a schizophrenic friend who began meditating and he said that it helps him SO MUCH in dealing with his schizophrenia. This can be similar. Good luck, and hold off on the psychs until you're able to gather your mind.

PS: Age is rather unimportant with this kind of thing. It all depends on mental maturity which your physical age doesn't always dictate. I'm your age.
 
The frank reality of the matter is there is no "bigger picture" aside from the ones you paint for yourself.

Salvia ia pretty safe for your body. It is less so for the mind. Being forcibly removed from reality over and over can make your soul tired in a unique kind of way... you need to do something in reality to ground yourself. Do some arts and crafts. Go dance or exercise. Meditation is good, but even just ... taking a walk, taking to friends, playing a game or something. Anything that doesn't involve getting high as fuck. Is it physically safe to do more psychedelics? Probably. Should you do any more psychedelics? No. If you feel like you're losing touch - rowing further away from shore isn't going to help. You need to feel the sand between your toes on the beaches of reality.

Meditating can be as simple as sitting quietly to yourself and noticing what's going on in and around you. Most people find they get calmer and more centered after a while. You can close your eyes or leave them open, doesn't matter. And you can pretty much do it anywhere. Busier places are less suited to meditating though.

By the way, it is normal to feel strange and uncomfortable and to question yourself and reality when you're growing up! Even without drugs involved. Adolescence is not easy for anyone. Everyone suffers anxiety, depression, and fear as teenagers. Just don't let them define you as a human being. Work through it, and find things to do that you *like* doing.
 
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The frank reality of the matter is there is no "bigger picture" aside from the ones you paint for yourself.

Salvia ia pretty safe for your body. It is less so for the mind. Being forcibly removed from reality over and over can make your soul tired in a unique kind of way... you need to do something in reality to ground yourself. Do some arts and crafts. Go dance or exercise. Meditation is good, but even just ... taking a walk, taking to friends, playing a game or something. Anything that doesn't involve getting high as fuck. Is it physically safe to do more psychedelics? Probably. Should you do any more psychedelics? No. If you feel like you're losing touch - rowing further away from shore isn't going to help. You need to feel the sand between your toes on the beaches of reality.

Meditating can be as simple as sitting quietly to yourself and noticing what's going on in and around you. Most people find they get calmer and more centered after a while. You can close your eyes or leave them open, doesn't matter. And you can pretty much do it anywhere. Busier places are less suited to meditating though.

By the way, it is normal to feel strange and uncomfortable and to question yourself and reality when you're growing up! Even without drugs involved. Adolescence is not easy for anyone. Everyone suffers anxiety, depression, and fear as teenagers. Just don't let them define you as a human being. Work through it, and find things to do that you *like* doing.
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THIS!

I was planning on typing out a lengthy reply when I began reading this thread, but Sekio has said it perfectly. Follow his suggestions and you will be just fine. It might not be what you were hoping to hear, but it's absolutely the correct advice.

Let me just leave you with something that I learned over the years of psychedelic experimentation: The most important thing that you can learn about the psychedelic experience is that it has it's place in the bigger picture of your life, and for the vast majority of individuals it's healthy place is not as the central driving force of your existence. Don't just think about when you're going to trip, think about when you're going to NOT trip.

My first psychedelic experience was at 13, and it was so glowing and magical that I dove in head-first and gave it everything I had. I never experienced HPPD, or any other sort of negative psychiatric symptoms, but after several impulsive spur-of-the-moment experiences with less-than-perfect (or even downright awful) set and setting that went less than fantastically, I learnt that I should not take every opportunity that manifests itself to shove a psychedelic down my gullet. I now have a very impressive collection of psychedelics, both of the conventional and the "research chemical" variety, and I can happily say that the lessons that I learned in my youth have stuck with me. I could have an experience every day if I so choose, but I do not, nor even every week. Why, even tonight is a very good example: I have a new batch of 4-HO-MiPT that I was very much hoping to get into, but I was worn down from a very hectic few weeks and the setting wasn't perfect, so I shit-canned the idea of tripping tonight. This is something that you need to learn to do. Follow Sekio's advice, and learn to practice moderation, and you will be just fine.

Good luck and good vibes, my blossoming mind traveler!
 
Sometimes you need to hit rock-bottom to be able to attain new heights. Take care, you're still young, there's no need to rush things :)

EDIT: That's a well-thought out post, tryptofan. You should stick around
 
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Dear members of the PD society.

After having lurked various sections of BL for a while, I am happy to announce this thread finally gave me the courage to get involved. I am truly astonished and deeply moved to read such wise and compassionate responses. This very discussion signifies to me the very best aspects of internet communication in general, as well as the importance of harm reduction platforms such as BL in specific.

At this point, there is little more wisdom I can add to the discussion that has not already been pointed out. I do however at the very least wish to provide OP with my reflection what has already been said.

First of all, I would like to stress the importance of honoring the physical reality which in you are currently residing. There is little doubt that your experiences with Salvia have been profound, and have opened your eyes to the greater reality that exists outside of the physical realm. Just keep in mind that as long as you exist within a physical body, you are not yet released from your physical predicament. Trying to escape before your time is up will only increase the suffering that you are currently experiencing. The practical advice that has been provided for you by others here is golden.

If possible, try to appreciate the timing of what you are currently going through. Struggling with coming to terms with ourselves is something we all go through eventually. You now have an opportunity to gather insight that others spend whole lifetimes attaining. I know your suffering is real, but I can assure you it is temporary and will be transmuted through your conscious action and open heart.

All the best on your journey.
 
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Dear members of the PD society.

After having lurked various sections of BL for a while, I am happy to announce this thread finally gave me the courage to get involved. I am truly astonished and deeply moved to read such wise and compassionate responses. This very discussion signifies to me the very best aspects of internet communication in general, as well as the importance of harm reduction platforms such as BL in specific.

At this point, there is little more wisdom I can add to the discussion that has not already been pointed out. I do however at the very least wish to provide OP with my reflection what has already been said.

First of all, I would like to stress the importance of honoring the physical reality which in you are currently residing. There is little doubt that your experiences with Salvia have been profound, and have opened your eyes to the greater reality that exists outside of the physical realm. Just keep in mind that as long as you exist within a physical body, you are not yet released from your physical predicament. Trying to escape before your time is up will only increase the suffering that you are currently experiencing. The practical advice that has been provided for you by others here is golden.

If possible, try to appreciate the timing of what you are currently going through. Struggling with coming to terms with ourselves is something we all go through eventually. You now have an opportunity to gather insight that others spend whole lifetimes attaining. I know your suffering is real, but I can assure you it is temporary and will be transmuted through your conscious action and open heart.

All the best on your journey.
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This is a very well thought-out post that makes a very good point. Thanks for stepping out of the shadows tryptofan, I'm sure that BL will be better off with you contributing. Welcome! By the way, I love your nickname, it made me chuckle.

To the OP, tryptofan has given some very excellent insight, you would do well to take it to heart.
 
I've gone through similar experiences whilst dabbling with psychedelics at a young age. It is possible to experience ego death on salvia if you are 'prone' by being sensitive to chems. That feeling you're probably getting is you getting used to your expanded consciousness. As you get older the 'ever lasting after glow of expanded concioussness' allows you to develop and grow spiritually (well in my case and many of my friends cases). So just take it easy on the drugs and explore avenues such as meditation and/or crystal healing and having a healthy diet.
 
if it get worse go to your GP and tell them. I needed antipsychotics and anti-depressants to help me through a rough time.,.
 
Oh man I hate Salvia. That stuff is just way too intense. I would advise against using it, personally. It was actually almost exactly like a bad shroom trip to me, where nothing makes sense and even time is distorted to the point where future and past are no longer valid concepts and you can no longer perceive time in a linear manner. Scares the hell out of me. It's like there's no middle ground, either you don't take enough to really feel much or else you're completely over the rainbow. I also didn't like the fact that it effects the part of your brain that senses vertical location. You feel like you're sinking through the bed or whatever you're on. Very disconcerting. I suspect that you are using the plain herb and not concentrates so you may not have felt full effects yet. I really would advise against young people using Salvia like it's Cannabis. Salvia is serious, serious stuff if you get some solid hits. Fortunately its quite short acting. That's its only saving grace. You'll only be completely insane for about 15 minutes. Hopefully you won't run off a balcony or something during that 15 minutes.
 
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