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Healthcare Isn't A Free Market: It's A Giant Economic Scam

Not really. It's long gone, but I do remember they charged me $2400 for lab work (standard blood and urine tests, which probably cost less than 10% of that), $80 for EKG leads, and around $30 for the single dose of potassium they gave me.

not only less than 10%, but rather less than 1% for the lab work. over here, a full blood count costs between 3 and 4€ for the public health insurance company, and EKG costs 10€. if you're self-employed you have to pay 10% of that, otherwise nothing at all. this thread makes me glad that i live in europe.

Japan is the only other culture I've been to where haggling is not done. I've heard this is true in Azerbaijan and Switzerland too, but haven't been to either.
there's no haggling anywhere in central europe. reactions you'd get range from laughter to a blank stare.
 
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All that can be said on this topic is you americans are just hurting yourselves. Up here in Canada we can all get health care for pretty much free and thats because everyone deserves it. Period
we americans are proud to differ from canada and every other first world country. it's what makes us the best. American Exceptionalism
 
Jeez that sucks because the thread is about ridiculously high medical costs.

I'll share my story:

At 23 I started a painting business here in New Hampshire. I started from scratch, with nothing, but I did well and put $140,000.00 through my checking account in the first year. I was working pretty much all day every day, and at the same time was experiencing some serious back pain. After numerous trips to the ER and a doctor, I was diagnosed with spinal stenosis, degenerative disc disease, arthritis, and a disc herniation. I had no insurance, so any type of procedure would have been out of pocket, and since I had already been diagnosed insurance wouldn't cover it anyway because it's considered a preexisting condition.

If I had taken the time off to do a procedure (surgery) then I would have lost my business and wouldn't be able to pay the bills anyway. So what did I do? Yup, you guessed it, I got hooked on pain medication. At least I could still work and make money, which was useful because after 3 years I was taking so much, it started to cost me around $800 for oxycontin, $90 for oxycodone, and $150 for the doctor visit (pain center) EACH MONTH. These were valid prescriptions by the way.

After a while the addiction took control of my life, and it wasn't about the pain anymore, it was about the pills. You know the story, taking too many, selling some to pay for the script, running out early and having to pay 4 times as much on the street as from the pharmacy. I tried to go to a rehab, but there are VERY FEW in NH, and every one I called had that question everyone hates: "What type of insurance do you have"? Well when I said that I didn't, they would give me the number of "a place that might help someone in your situation". Well I called every place, and actually made a full circle back to the first place I called. No help there.

Well one day I decided I didn't feel like paying for the prescription (actually I didn't have the money) and I did what any normal citizen would do in my situation. I put a ski mask on and robbed the pharmacy. (a different one that i didn't go to regularly thanks). Well I got caught and was sent to prison for 4 years. Not cool.

After a couple years in the prison my pain got so bad that I couldn't walk without the help of a cane, I couldn't do anything, sit, stand, lie down, shave, shower, etc. I finally got the medical staff to realize I wasn't just faking it for pills, and they realized it with the help of mri's and x-rays. All at the state's expense. And finally last March I had a spinal fusion (L4+L5) while incarcerated, again all at the state's expense. Just amazing how much the surgery helped me, I'm able to do just about everything I used to be able to do.

So in the end, I did get a much needed operation, I stopped the medication, and am generally doing ok. But my life is so fucked because now I'm a felon. I just wish at the beginning, I could have somehow got the operation done and not got addicted to pills.

That sucks.........

It really is unbelievable that prisoners get expensive medical treatment paid for and citizens dont. Im glad you got it taken care of but it seems like it would have been so much better for everyone involved if you could have just had your operation when you needed it the first time.
 
why does a bag of ice cubes for swelling and two vicodin "on the go" costs 500+ dollars? Someones been fiddling the books

actually wait.. i'm an inconsiderate prick, its just so emotionally taxing on those doctors and nurses, having to get pills for demanding disrespectful patients, they NEED the money from that 500 dollar bill to buy sedatives they can take as soon as they get home from work; if we didn't pay such massive medical bills, our doctors and nurses wouldn't be able to dope away the stress, and wouldn't be able to do the fine job that they've been doing

what's everyone so worked up for anyways? You pay for quality when you check in to a US hospital. I mean, it's not like doctors are so incompetent they're killing patients left and right or anything
 
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This is an extremely sobering article.

Bitter Pill: Why Medical Bills Are Killing Us


The Bureau of Labor Statistics projects that 10 of the 20 occupations that will grow the fastest in the U.S. by 2020 are related to health care. America’s largest city may be commonly thought of as the world’s financial-services capital, but of New York’s 18 largest private employers, eight are hospitals and four are banks. Employing all those people in the cause of curing the sick is, of course, not anything to be ashamed of. But the drag on our overall economy that comes with taxpayers, employers and consumers spending so much more than is spent in any other country for the same product is unsustainable. Health care is eating away at our economy and our treasury.

The health care industry seems to have the will and the means to keep it that way. According to the Center for Responsive Politics, the pharmaceutical and health-care-product industries, combined with organizations representing doctors, hospitals, nursing homes, health services and HMOs, have spent $5.36 billion since 1998 on lobbying in Washington. That dwarfs the $1.53 billion spent by the defense and aerospace industries and the $1.3 billion spent by oil and gas interests over the same period. That’s right: the health-care-industrial complex spends more than three times what the military-industrial complex spends in Washington.
 
how the hell do you spend that much in lobbying alone?

a 15 year tv advertising campaign wouldn't even be a fraction of that.
 
ugh, why the fuck would anyone want health care? Insurance is a scam. all of it. the vast majority of physicians and medical staff are flagrantly incompetent. the only reason people actually need to see the doctor is because they are or have previously been educated by one. stupid people who listen to their doctors have accidents.(well, mostly just stupid people, but all the same.) stupid people who listen to their doctors get cancer.(by doctors failing to provide extensive and comprehensive advice that should be followed for a lifetime to minimize risk of cancer) if any doctor actually gave a competent answer concerning the well being of the average american individual, that person would respond harshly and immediately search for a new doctor.


the lack of general awareness and knowledge regarding anatomy and physiology is the actual culprit here.
 
Good thing you're around then, superelephant - we all know how much smarter you are than most doctors.
 
Do you keep a list of people you're smarter than? I remember back in November you said were smarter than both Obama and Romney, and now all doctors - who else is on that list?
 
Do you keep a list of people you're smarter than? I remember back in November you said were smarter than both Obama and Romney, and now all doctors - who else is on that list?
Most doctors.

And I also said you were smarter than both Obama and Romney (and you are) IIRC.
 
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