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HBWR Seeds -Help

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I recently ordered 100 HBWR seeds *no sources* and was curious as to if any could tell me if they believe this is a good deal or a weaker Indian strain being sold as Hawaiian strain? And I would also like to know for a first timer looking for "+++" or "++++" experience what would be a good dose to start with? I am experienced in many psychedelix, dmt in doses exceeding 500mg, 12-16 grams of psilocybe cubensis, 2 hits of acid, 25 mg 2c-p, 900 mg 2c-b, 200mg of ketamine, and 350mg of mxe. I've also experienced Amanita Muscaria in 10grams. As I have stomach issues, I often throw up on psychs and would appreciate any de-nauseating methods of consuming. I would like to reinforce I'm looking for a heavy strong trip, trip sitter and benadryl will be on site.
 
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Start with 7 and work up from there, leaving tolerance breaks in between. HBWR seeds are very sedating and euphoric, like a mix between a mild LSD-type headspace, and the dreamy sedation of mushrooms, with a natural, physical euphoria.

The price to be paid comes in the form of nausea and cramping in legs/stomach. Take a vasodilator (e.g. niacin) to counteract vasoconstriction, ginger and cannabis to help with nausea. The body load can be too much for some people, this is why I suggest you start with a medium dose first.

Search for HBWR exraction methods such as CWE (don't use tap water!) if you want to help minimise these side effects. Otherwise, powder your seeds in a coffee blender, mix with OJ and chug.

I can't vouch for the quality of your seeds. I always get mine from entheogen vendors, as the seeds need to be organic and untreated.
 
If you wanted, you could actually plant hose seeds, then after they have grown collect your own seeds. This way you are guaranteed they aren't treated and you'll have less chance of being sick, you could also end up with a near unlimited supply of seeds. :P
 
Good advice Jackeh! I hear Morning Glory is easier to grow? HBWR can be difficult to flower it seems.
If I had a garden, it would be full of MG!
 
There is no need for a first timer to get a ++++, what is wrong with getting to know a drug first?
The advice of taking 7 is more than enough, I would take less. I think for me it was more like 3-4 for a first time and later (another time) I took more. As erowid suggests, 7 is where you can start expecting strong trips. You are recommended not to go overboard, so that you can learn to deal with possible nausea, lethary and other side-effects.

...and 500 mg DMT or 900 mg 2C-B??? Buddy, please stop overdosing.
 
I am very interested in growing some bud as said it is hard to flower... Could be just a plant. But that would be pretty cool too I guess. Flowering would be a win win. I have lots of experience with dmt and overdose is not a possibility. The 2c-b was excessive for sure, I stated that. I don't regret any of my experiences as I have had multiple "++++" accounts with multiple psychs. I think it would be wise to get an introduction to Entheogen before gorging myself but I feel that a 7 would be a mild in trip in my eyes through my experience.
 
It's not so much the trip maybe, but the gut-wrenching nausea. This is not a club-type drug either, be comfortable at home, and be prepared to purge. The sedation is very powerful too, you may want to curl up in your duvet.

Also, don't be tempted to redose if you feel nothing after an hour or two. It's a very slow build. If you have 100 seeds, that's plenty, so I'd really recommend you test the waters first with 7 seeds or less. Some people hate LSA, I quite like it. If you have difficult side effects from 7 seeds, try an extraction before attempting a higher dose. However, even an extraction is still going to produce some upset.
 
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900 mg 2-cb ? 500mg dmt ? for the sake of conversation, was this administered as a single dose ? it seems unreasonable and most probably lethal ...
 
I can tell you from the past experience that these HBWR might not be worth or do much depending on the person. My experience was weird. I felt drunk but not drunk and the euphoria was there but soon i slept. . . hot sweating, and the vomiting (at the beginning) . . whoa the vomiting was crazy. Started with 9 then 3 days later tried again with like 15 crushed up. . . I didn't care for it, but it could have been my altercation at the time . I guess I would try again. .
 
Most people blackout at a sufficiently high dose of DMT from what I understand and 500 mg would be more than that dose I am talking about. If that didn't happen to you it could possibly be attributed to improper smoking technique. You would probably through 'your experience' in my face though but it is still very strange to me how a person could ingest somewhere near that quantity using something like a near-ideal method like "the machine" (or any smoking technique if you actually master it) and consider it appropriate.

It is not only an overdose if you land in the hospital, asylum or morgue. I am using the word as a synonym for excess here, let alone the dangers. And DMT does tax your heart and blood vessels so I disagree that it is completely innocuous.

As other people have mentioned as well, there is more to it than "being able to handle the psychedelia", it seems you keep finding ways to miss the point though.
 
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900 mg 2-cb ? 500mg dmt ? for the sake of conversation, was this administered as a single dose ? it seems unreasonable and most probably lethal ...
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DMT isn't lethal... And I've taken 4 grams of 2c-b to make up the craziest 5 day experience of my life. 900 mg was the biggest and final dose i took only hours before downing 20mg of xanax and passing out... I've made stupid decisuon but thats not what this thread is about and I would prefer to stay on topic.
 
No, but you insisting on dosing rather high - even the first time you try something - is certainly ontopic.
 
Got the seeds today and my friend consumed 6 about an hour ago, awaiting his response. Also I have an interview in a couple, waiting til after to start tripping but I'm quite excited he already said he felt some effects.
 
From 6 seeds he fell asleep for about 30 minutes and since awakening hasn't felt any significant response from the seeds. I'm going to try a 15 seed dose and post results.
 
As of right now, +++, I'm feeling so good. Purged 20-30 minutes ago. Can completely coordinate thoughts. My buddy seems to be having a hard time but this may be the greatest feeling I've ever felt. I definitely would suggest trying this.
 
So I crushed the 15 seeds, put them in distilled water, shaking vigorously for 1 min every ten minutes for 1 hour, all the while leaving the water in the fridge. I made sausage and spaghetti and garlic bread, ate then drank the green watery liquid, still tasted like water. After an hour I was feeling nausea, so I decided to lay down in my he'd, feeling extreme sedation and body numbness at the same time. After two hours I was starting to trip and eventually found myself purging my spaghetti and then 20 minutes later I smoked a bowl of weed and got one of the greatest feelings that I've had in my life... No other way to explain it. I felt as if a heroin junkie being satisfied, it felt oh so good. The trip continued on mindlessly for the next 6 hours until I fell asleep watching family guy. Woke up 6 hours later, stomach discomfort still lingers. I was very happy with this experience and would suggest this to you my friends.
 
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