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Have you opened up your third eye through meditation/entheogens ?

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Psylex

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From the ancient greeks philosophers, to Descartes, through McKenna and now with psychiatrist Dr Rick Strassman, the "Third Eye" or Pineal gland naturally containing DMT seems to be a very alluring theory on spirituality. I've also recently met one shamanist bloke claiming that you can open up your 3rd Eye through meditation and therefore gain access to some spiritual world and that with this third eye you won't ever get stuck in a trip. Furthermore, it seems like entheogens (DMT, mescaline, lsd, ketamine...) may temporally open up your third eye during the trip. Unfortunately i am yet no Shaman nor Buddhist, only just a small philosopher at this present time who will one day fortunatly learn all these transcendental practices if they really do exist. Does any one have reports concerning this theory ? :)
 
IMO the whole third-eye business is over blown and exagerated, having become a cult (newage and psychedelic) icon through lots of speculation and subjective connections to trip experiences without anything that tangible. It's just a gland in the brain, nothing more; people are using Western 21st century thinking to make the assumption that if there is a spiritual eye then there must also be a connecting physical counterpart. They forget that you can see with the mind itself anyway, without a physical counterpart!
 
But how much of what you've just stated is actually true and how much is what you want to believe? I take everything with a grain of salt these days and that includes stuff that comes from the East. Drawings of an energy system is one thing, but all these beliefs and explanations that come attached to it also.. most of it is likely to be rubbish, or at least severely distorted. People have to sell something to make ends meet.. religious folk in the East were/are no different. There's also this bias in the West that these mystical concepts from the East are to be upheld as truth and worshipped as something special, which is quite easily seen when people open their mouths to talk about these things.

The chakras occur at precisely positioned harmonic intervals along the spinal column. The accupuncture points all do too. I suspect one day harmonic theory and plasma science will converge to reveal the nature of chakras.
 
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IMO the whole third-eye business is over blown and exagerated, having become a cult (newage and psychedelic) icon through lots of speculation and subjective connections to trip experiences without anything that tangible. It's just a gland in the brain, nothing more; people are using Western 21st century thinking to make the assumption that if there is a spiritual eye then there must also be a connecting physical counterpart. They forget that you can see with the mind itself anyway, without a physical counterpart!
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ah skeptics will always be skeptical. I opened it on a LSD trip and it was the most amazing/scariest thing ever, you learn so much when you open it.
 
I'm not skeptical of the ability to see with the Mind independantly of a visual organ, infact I think it is fairly easily to demonstrate. What I am skeptical about is the "third-eye" concept and its relation to the Pineal gland.. I see no substance to it beyond speculation and constant parroting of it by others. People (yourself included) say you've "opened it". Prove it, prove it was your "third eye" and not something else occuring that you are attributing the experience to. Do you see my point? The only explanation seems to be the third eye when it could quite easily be something else. That is why I'm skeptical of it, there is little substance beyond peoples assertions and assumptions.
 
So i'm guessing you never experience anything out of the ordinary when under the influence of any entheogens? Or experience a lucid dream? Let me guess they are all figments of the imagination, right? You was just dreaming the whole time. It was just your mind playing tricks on you about different dimensions because Jesus is one day going to come down from some invisible structure in the sky and save you from all this evil while reading you bedtime stories.
 
Tetra, I don't think you quite understood the point I was trying to make. I'm not saying I don't believe that people are experiencing stuff.. on the contary I've experienced stuff both with psychedelics and without. I had one meditation experience that was more powerful than smoking NN-DMT even. My point was that the theory/concept of explaining what is happening using the "third-eye" explanation isn't necessarily correct, and that it is mostly based on assumption and people repeating what they've heard from others, and that there could be another explanation.. not to deny what occured, but a different way of relating it. Does that make sense now?
 
I'm sorry ss, I stepped out of line about what I said earlier but I understand what you mean. It's just as human beings since we have cognitive processing, it makes us have to explain the unknown. Which to me the third eye makes a lot of sense since there is a way of connecting with the universe and seeing it as well but to each their own.
 
Psychs can polish your 3rd eye and open it for some.

I can see from the back of my head man.
 
I can guarantee that meditation, if practiced daily, will do such.

A wise man once said that psychedelics show you the door, while meditation walks you through it.

Peace
 
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Tetra, I don't think you quite understood the point I was trying to make. I'm not saying I don't believe that people are experiencing stuff.. on the contary I've experienced stuff both with psychedelics and without. I had one meditation experience that was more powerful than smoking NN-DMT even. My point was that the theory/concept of explaining what is happening using the "third-eye" explanation isn't necessarily correct, and that it is mostly based on assumption and people repeating what they've heard from others, and that there could be another explanation.. not to deny what occured, but a different way of relating it. Does that make sense now?
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I'm going to back you on this one, SS. Perhaps not in such strong language, and I'm not going to entirely agree, either. I don't particularly like this worship of Strassman for his work with DMT, and the subsequent production of 'The Spirit Molecule', given that the whole pineal gland/third eye concept is nowhere near proven. It's an interesting theory, but it pisses me off entirely when some tripper/hipster spouts some incoherent explanation of a 'trip' using 'The Spirit Molecule' for 'evidence' as if it were fact.

And don't get me started on the way people tie it into 'ego-death'...

I have also had experiences with and without psychedelics that are in line with Eastern modes of thought and, through 'pranayama and tantric yoga', have had direct experiences with the 'chakra' system. Once again, I think that speaking about something with such a metaphysical nature in concrete terms is... well - this is but one method to explain these experiences.

I think that it's fine to discuss these concepts as long as we accept that they a mere explanations of metaphysical experiences, and if we want to communicate them, we should do so from a position of humility. Third-eye, Ajna - it doesn't matter what one calls it, it's just an explanation for something that's incredibly difficult to describe.
 
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There is a majority of individuals who make the false assumption that Pure Reason and Science intrinsically correspond to some form of Nihilism (philosophical materialism if you prefer), while the official "belief system" of science is agnosticism (= either transcendence exists or not but it is demonstrable and the futur will hold a definite rational answer).

If we assume that transcendence is true (and will be demonstrated by science one day), for those of you who don't see the hypothetical mechanism linking entheogens/meditation/death(nde) with consciousness travelling beyond this secondary realm of reality, let me put it this way : http://www.jorgen-magner.com/string-theory.html . (The end of this article is more than fucking astonishing!)

String consciousness (a more powerful design of the quantum consciousness hypothesis) would indeed be the perfect rational explanation of mere transcendence because String theory itself unifies both quantum physics (the microscopic world) and general relativity (the macroscopic world) when both of these models seemed uttlerly seperate in the past.

Now as science demands, we don't yet have the technology of empirically verifying String theory because it would need experiences happening at the scale of 10 to the power of -35 meters when today's most sophisticated detectors (i'm thinking of the CERN collider) reaches at a scale of 10 to power of -15 meters only !!

Wait & see fellas ;)
 
its an amazing thought really and wanted to open my third eye with meditation.
i have tryed lots of meditation and yoga also but nothing is so effective ..
but now i just wanted to be relax.
 
Psylex: Physicist here... that handwavey link on string theory, was for the most part, half correct, but the conclusions or inferences being drawn are "not even wrong". M-theory, broadly speaking, predicts exactly the same things as Standard Model Quantum Field Theories do. The few divergences, as you said, occur at energy scales that are truly HUGE, and at those energy scales, nothing resembling a human could exist, indeed, systems as simple as a bound state of quarks like neutron would not exist...shit, we can already achieve the energy scales to produce quark/gluon plasma.

M-theory, in no way what so ever, predicts anything "spiritual" type phenomena...it's an extension of the Standard Model and G.R. and deals with essentially super-duper-ultra high energy particle physics, that's it.
 
Third eye opening up and meditation is truth that has been around for thousands of years;

Its really ancient common knowledge that its real;

Funny how many people are still oblivious to spirit

I would encourage people don't believe unless you have personal experience..


opening up the 3rd eye takes repeated practice desire and intent; It does not happen fast in some cases
 
Disregarding the discussion of whether the 3rd eye exists, and if it is what people think it is...

If psychs do "open" or make it accessible, I believe they distort whatever is achieved by opening it. Psychs distort perception, make some things hard to understand, and just generally fuck your head. Meditation, IMHO, is a much "purer" form of achieving higher knowledge/opening up the mind
 
After learning from a lot of different spiritual systems and studying neurophysiology, I believe that the third eye is both material and non-material. The pineal gland is its material component. Just like looking for the radio announcer in the radio makes no sense, you won't find consciousness in the brain, but the brain is still a necessary part of consciousness interfacing with a physical vehicle to perform material tasks.

The non-material third eye is its energetic body and it's where the "information" comes from that people receive through it. Psychedelics do open it but often it is a forceful opening that some people aren't ready for. The third eye governs non-dualistic thinking and creative insight, which is why people who are left brained thinkers can't grasp it: their third eye hasn't opened. If you want the third eye to open, you must necessarily embrace irrationality and non-linear thought processes because the third eye's field is a non-linear aspect of consciousness.

You can build your third eye by practicing non-duality exercises. Instead of seeing black and white as opposite, see them as one thing. This is called the "Irrational Third" in Hinduism. You take two so-called opposites and unite them into a third substance. Once you can hold the paradox of opposites being the same thing without contradictory influences from your intellectual mind, your third eye has probably opened. Eventually you will apply the Irrational Third to your own existence and see there is no difference between you and anything else. This is when the illusion of separation lifts and more complex, higher consciousness becomes possible.
 
Third Eye Chakra is the 6th Chakra and is responsible to what we refer to as "the sixth sense". The Chakra connects us to our internal intuitions and is responsible for the sharp senses, the ability to read the future and receive non-verbal messages.

When the Chakra is balanced we experience high mental ability, we are able to separate between reality and imagination and best combine logic and emotion. When the Chakra is unbalanced we experience fatigue, day dreaming, sleep problems, lack of assertiveness, inability to listen to others, and may even often feel disoriented.
 
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