Have You Gone From Opiate Pills to Heroin?

[Boiling in Acid]

i never devided the two.

 

[K'd-OUT-in-AZ]

Its a shame when doctors prescribe us these opiate medications for legit pain, build up our physical tolerance and then cut us off due to the fear of over-prescribing because then we resort to obtaining pills illegally or switch to smack for the pain if we can't find them.

 

[you quero oxys]

I'm seriously considering going to H because from what I understand it will be alot cheaper, at least in the short term. It's a bitch having an opiate habit and not a script of your own. Street prices are rediculous.

 

[K'd-OUT-in-AZ]

I'm seriously considering going to H because from what I understand it will be alot cheaper, at least in the short term. It's a bitch having an opiate habit and not a script of your own. Street prices are rediculous.

I don't know where you live but on the west coast if you have an opiate habit, heroin is incredibly cheaper than buying pills on the street and you get much more bang for your buck. I mention west coast because you'll basically only find black tar heroin which is very cheap, especially down here in AZ. The availability of junk is much more abundant than obtaining pills down here. When I was still using opiates, it wouldn't take anymore than a half hour drive to Phoenix to pick up a gram of tar for $70. Toward the end of my using days the potency levels were also beginning to increase. There was a recent raid and the DEA reported a 45% purity level, much higher than a few years ago.

I'm not suggesting that you switch from pills to junk but yes, its a much cheaper habit. I'd get more satisfaction and be able to get through the day just as well smoking a paper worth (1/4 gram) of tar than I'd with an 80mg OC (which cost $40-50 where I live). I was able to cut the cost of my habit more than half when switching over. The cost of my habit became DRASTICALLY cheaper when going onto Methadone Maintenance. I'm off Methadone although now that I've switched over to Suboxone, I'm having to pay much more than I did for the MMT.

 

[Carl Landrover]

Yes, this was my route to heroin.

I remember the first time I ever bought a bag. I was with a friend who brought me to his connect to get a 30mg roxy. The roxy cost $20 and got me high once. The single bag of heroin was $10 and got me high twice.

The high lasted longer, was more sedating, gave me a better nod. I liked the way it was packaged in stamped bags and even though some bags are garbage, it was absolutely amazing when you got slamming bags. After that first bag, it was bye-bye oxy, HELLO HEROIN!

 

[soniq]

I don't know where you live but on the west coast if you have an opiate habit, heroin is incredibly cheaper than buying pills on the street and you get much more bang for your buck. I mention west coast because you'll basically only find black tar heroin which is very cheap, especially down here in AZ. The availability of junk is much more abundant than obtaining pills down here. When I was still using opiates, it wouldn't take anymore than a half hour drive to Phoenix to pick up a gram of tar for $70. Toward the end of my using days the potency levels were also beginning to increase. There was a recent raid and the DEA reported a 45% purity level, much higher than a few years ago.

I'm not suggesting that you switch from pills to junk but yes, its a much cheaper habit. I'd get more satisfaction and be able to get through the day just as well smoking a paper worth (1/4 gram) of tar than I'd with an 80mg OC (which cost $40-50 where I live). I was able to cut the cost of my habit more than half when switching over. The cost of my habit became DRASTICALLY cheaper when going onto Methadone Maintenance. I'm off Methadone although now that I've switched over to Suboxone, I'm having to pay much more than I did for the MMT.

So true on the ubiquity of highly potent tar heroin in the Phoenix metro. You can't even move about without tripping over piles of cheap, highly potent tar. The stuff I'd seen from near the source had to be at least 50-60%. Intense, pungent vinegar. For analgesia, you could eat small pieces from a $20 ball and it would cost less than a PPO co-pay for pain control!

Not surprising considering Phoenix is the #1 trans-shipment point for the tar variety.

 

[born2bfree]

I've never felt a heroin rush before, or even a real heroin high. I'm now on suboxone to keep me away from the needle. Maybe someday I'll try it just because I want to know what it really feels like, or maybe not.[/QUOTE]

WHY? Help me understand why you would want to "just try it". Is that even possible?

 

[opiatekrzy]

Oxycodone -> T3s -> Hydromorphone -> Hydrocodone -> Heroin

I just wanted to try it to see what all the fuss was about, but when I realized a bag will last me the weekend and is the same price as a "good deal" on an OC 40 (which I prefer to H) that would last me one night the choice was obvious.

I keep my tolerance to a minimum though and try to keep opiates to a once a week thing whether its pills or whatever. I have a friend that will do 6 bags in a few hours and complain he doesn't feel anything when I'm nodding off a few bumps. I don't ever intend to be like that. I've been around one too many people whose first priority in life is drug use and its scared me away from ever getting out of control.

around here an OC 40 is $20....whats the good deal you get? a bag of dope is $10 also, and obviously who wants to waste more money on an oxy? some bags of dope are equivalent to like literally 2-3 oxy 80's, yep a bang for ur buck $10.

 

[Shlumpeet]

around here an OC 40 is $20....whats the good deal you get? a bag of dope is $10 also, and obviously who wants to waste more money on an oxy? some bags of dope are equivalent to like literally 2-3 oxy 80's, yep a bang for ur buck $10.

I'd go for the oxy, I'd rather pay a few bucks for known purity and potency, but then again I hardly do opiates.

 

[Sportfisher39]

Its a shame when doctors prescribe us these opiate medications for legit pain, build up our physical tolerance and then cut us off due to the fear of over-prescribing because then we resort to obtaining pills illegally or switch to smack for the pain if we can't find them.

I don't know man, I've been on the same dose of pain meds for 3 years. This way I won't have to worry about being cut off..
My script has always been effective for pain..The secret is, not to abuse them..
I get high on mine once in awhile and take less the next day.
So like my doc said, take as directed and your tolerance won't go through the roof..
Plus then the doctor isn't worried about refilling your meds

As far as herion, I've only done it 10 times in the last year and a half.. I only snorted it.
But due to the fact that I know I'm an addict, I had to get away from it.
But ya its cheaper in washington st. to 30 bucks a gram of tar

 

[thebillpill]

ya know i personally enjoy heroin more than pills. i've done and continue to do more pills than H, but only cause where i live it's easier to get an oxy 80 than a bundle of dope. i do know people who started on pills then went to H and now refuse to do anything but H so i guess it just matters on the person....

 

[crainsangel]

i haven't tried H but am curious but also very scared. I take 10-10mg methadone a day and I'm not sure where to go from here.

 

[K'd-OUT-in-AZ]

I preferred heroin over OC's (My pills of choice) because I can't smoke pills. Don't get me wrong, I really enjoyed slamming tar but nothing in the world got me higher than smoking it. Shooting gave me a much more powerful rush but smoking it always gave me a balanced and consist high that would keep me nodding all day long without the hassle of having to go hide somewhere to gear up every couple hours. The only draw back of smoking was that the habit was more expensive.

i do know people who started on pills then went to H and now refuse to do anything but H

I never knew anyone like that. With a smack drought when craving like a son of a bitch, body aching, sweat on my back I'd be calling all around for somebody with some sort of pills to help me get through and if the dose were right I still would be able to enjoy some soft of opiate high.

 

[GreenMachine]

I started with RX opiates, but I started doing dope recently. I don't do either exclusively, usually just whatever tickles my fancy.

 

[lifeguardsleeps]

Nope. I've done heaps and heaps and heaps of prescription pills over the last couple years, but only heroin twice. The shit was basically too strong for me. Call me a pussy, but I dont think blacking out for 6 hours is all that fun. One line of heroin was probably the equivalent to sniffing like two 80s at once or something, I don't even know. The first time I did it, I felt really high for a min, then I threw up, then I woke up like 6 hours later at my office with my finger stuck on the 'F' key like "FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF" and drooling all over myself. Girl sitting at the station next to me was like "WTF!?!?" The second bag I did, I think the next day, I dont even remember.

All in all, I like to get high, I dont necessarily like to nod that hard. I mean, I do, but usually I remember most of what I did while I was nodding. I dont like being somewhere, sniffing a line, then waking up somewhere not knowing how I got there.

Oxycodone FTW!

i think that means you just have to do less heroin at a time, which is good cos then you dont have to spend as much money... cause like ive never had that kind of effects from heroin, but i usually just do a little bit first to make sure im not gonna fall asleep from it or anything. ive only gotten knocked out from opiates once when i was a little kid. they usually keep me awake

 

[nikol]

WHY? Help me understand why you would want to "just try it". Is that even possible?

There are lots of people who initially experience a drug for that very reason. For someone who is curious about different kinds of opiates, it makes pefect sense (especially if they come from an area in which h is very scarce- it helps elevate the psychological status of the drug). Using it once doesn't make you an addict, and not everyone enjoys all opiates enough to make it a habit.

I started very sporadically using prescription opiates- there is no heroin where I used to live but it didn't matter, I didn't really "get" opiates enough to understand why people enjoyed them. When I did Dilaudid for the first time though, my curiousity in strong opiates (and opiates in general) was piqued and I finally got it- since them I've known that I would probably end up at least trying h (which I now have) just to see how it compares to what I'm used to. My preference is still very strongly for pharmaceuticals- it's hard to put a price tag on quality control and purity assurance- but heroin really is the most economically rewarding option (particularly where I live now- Austin, TX).

 

[spaceyourbass]

hey thanks for all the responses and votes. it's neck and neck, quite interesting!

 

[Canis aureus]

Oh yeah, I told it yet before that I went from heroin to pills and from pills to back heroin and then back and then forth and then back and forth...


But what I have had on mind recently (I could copy and paste most of my latest post at elsewhere to here):

I'm opiate/opiod addict. Opiate/Opioid addicts are Beyond animal instincts, animal drives and motivations. We have own vegetative force of motivation which grows according to our cognitive decision, and motivational cycle maintained by opiate craving and painful returning to the animal life. Pains and drives of animal life are dulled by the opiate cycle... and to me slight WD's are the only way to have sex in opiated life. But then that partly retuning causes some pains...


I've been thinking quite a deal about the thing or the situation that what could it be that causes (in opiates) people to lose much of their usual interest in sexual activities, sexual desire will be dulled. In the first place, I'm sure that it is not just a hormonal thing (like I repeatedly hear or read it claimed to be), although opiates could cause slight hormonal changes. Hormonal changes are only slight and changes are rather the effects of the same very cause which causes also that significant decreasing in sexual interest, than any sort of causes. Opiates could not cause that fast drop in hormone levels, like opiates causes a drop in the sex drive; and cause will always precede the effect in temporal order.

The factual state of affairs, people's decreased interest in sex, to the point where some people would be considered asexual and is somehow caused by opiates; how could opiates in fact cause that? That something which makes us in the best/worst case asexual when strongly opiated is the way how brains works when opiated. (As a side note, I've been thinking about how hypersexual persons would react to opiates; and I still know one guy who could be considered as hypersexual but that guy doesn't like opiates... why?)

We don't have sexual desire on opiates, we are not prone to be motivated by reproducing when on opiates, because that part of brains would not be the predominantly causing the motivation to sexual behavior, or our awareness won't get stimulus from there. We don't have sexual motivation, because we aren't sensitive to sexual stimulus when we are on opiates. In fact we are not too sensitive to anything at all, when on opiates. But, we we are motivated and we could be motivated to do almost anything, if we just decide to do something. Energy or motivation is there naturally on opiates, we could have motivation to the point where we work stubbornly, if decide to push. But we lack almost wholly that passively in us forming instinct-motivation to sex and the same way all animal drives or instincts like sex-drive are not touching us.

Opiates/opioids cuts us out of animal life cycles, pain and desire, they make us more stationary or stable beings, because everything is pain free. Anything does not, or would, not touch, we don't feel the pain or the stimulus from it, but if something is formed by us, we find the motivation immediately. Those forces causing animal life, making us act and react are mostly missing, dulled or taken away; animal life is replaced with time free and pain free opiated vegetative force to grow according to our decision. And of course according to the cycle which is maintained by opiate craving. Pains of animal life's, driving forces to act-rest (stress-tiredness) are dulled, fueling alarm of hunger and pleasure of being fed up (from empty to full) are distorted, and sexuality (reproduction) desire and its fulfillment are not present. Brains are set to the satori-like pain free stability and vegetative timelessness when we could act joyously according to cognition and opiate hunger.


Human being who lives on behalf of opiates and is addicted to those would be free of sexual desires as long as opiates flow freely according to the cycle determined by opiate cravings. But if opiates would evade even for a short period of time, the user would be hit very painfully by all the animal cycles again, and with full time determination! User will experience strange spontaneous sexual arousals and orgasms; male addicts get also spontaneous ejaculations. But on behalf of opiates, these are dull.

 

[Psych0naut]

I live in the Netherlands, which is one of the hardest countries in the world to obtain strong pharmaceutical opioids. Palladone is exclusively reserved for terminally ill people on their deathbeds, MS Contin, OxyContin and Durogesic are also only reserved for either terminally ill patients or for those who've been on weaker pain meds for several years and worked their way up from paracetamol/ibuprofen, to codeine with paracetamol, to pentazocine/dextropropoxyphene or tramadol, to finally the full-on agonists, which takes several years to reach. There's no drug scene for pharmaceutical opioids, none of them land on the street and no one knows about their existence. I've been very lucky to have been able to procure some MS Contins, IR Morphine, OxyContins and Durogesic, and all for pretty cheap as well, as the person who was prescribed them didn't know of their value or potential.

I started out on weaker stuff as well though, mostly Tramadol and poppy pod tea, and also as a rarity sometimes different opioids, like some Pentazocine, Fentanyl blotters(from another country though), Hydrocodone(also from another country) and 10mg IR and XR Morphine. Some while later, after getting more and more interested in opioids, the unique opportunities to obtain strong stuff presented themselves more often; a few strips of 10mg OxyContins, Durogesic patches, some 30mg MS Contins, and finally, a bit of Heroin. Once I had tried Heroin the first few times, it still wasn't that amazing or anything, it didn't stand out over the rest, but it was just damn cheap, always easilly obtainable and pretty fucking relaxing and mellow. Luckily I was only able to buy some Heroin from that dealer twice, after which she couldn't be reached anymore, and I lost her as a connection for H. Then half a year later, a new connection for Heroin popped up, which I inmediately grabbed with both hands, and went to visit to go score with as quickly as possible. I procured some sickly sweet Heroin of amazingly high purity, and even lower price, that stuff costed like no money at all. I inmediately bought a few grams to take home with me, and lived off of it for more than a month straight, taking it daily. After I ran out, I had no wd's at all, and I could reach the guy anymore, so I didn't think about it anymore for ages, untill recently I was able to contact him again. So the first thing I did was go over to him with plenty of money and several sterile unused 1cc 29G insulin rigs, and ended up shooting up with him several times that evening, living in the nicest bubble imagineable for several hours, somehow arriving home again after a long journey by train and by bicycle, after which I lived of the newly procured and even high quality H for a long while. Long story short, I've picked up some new stash for the week several times in the mean time, shooting up daily for two months now. I've had a month long Fentanyl addiction twice before now, but with the Fentanyl tolerance skyrocketing in a pretty fast time and only being able to buy the Fenta patches ones in a while, it prevented me at least a bit from being a fullblown addict. Unfortunenately with H, it's different. The stuff doesn't cost even near as much, it's of amazing purity, and so damn easy to obtain, and always available in abundancies. I'm going to kick it some day, pretty soon, but not right now ....

 

[colors]

I dont like being somewhere, sniffing a line, then waking up somewhere not knowing how I got there.

maybe a heavy cut of xanax or seroquel in the stuff you got? sounds strange.