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have you experienced ego death?

Last night. one tab of the best lsd i have ever had (200+ mics) graced itself underneath my tongue, and then I went a saw a live dj set by SAVOY. My body dissolved into pure energy made from the vibrations of the sounds, and the lazer lights fractured my mind into a thousand pieces floating around bouncing in time with the beat. Not the first ego death nor the last. but another one to go down in the goddam books thats for sure!!! text is still wiggling a bit for me at the moment.... haha.
 
If you can remember it then obviously you still had an ego and you still existed. So you didn't have an ego death.

The only possible "ego-death" would be a complete blackout that you couldn't remember.

Ego death is a misnomer, and you are taking the concept far too literally.
My experience did not consist of 'me' in a different plane or realm. It was the ultimate definition of duality. Do you not understand that humans gave the most advanced recall abilities on the planet. It seems you are trying to entice the posters in this thread into a gigantic philosophical circle-jerk.
IMO if you are fully immersed on 'oneness' with the universe than you are by definition experiencing ego death. I was not aware of anything, I was the universe.

I suggest you not discredit others experienced by virtue of your philosophical jargon.
 
Ego means I.
In ego-death (what would really be called ego-immersion, zen is the best though) you are the only thing that exists in that moment. People use it to describe many various states of mind, be it a flow or a breakthrough. The one state I consider authentic is total isolation from your surroundings. The reason there seems to be no 'I' in total isolation is that there is nothing else to compare the 'I' to. When it is the only thing around it seems like you went away and now the experience is everything, infinite energy, ultimate truth. But it only needs to be your consciousness, it does not require the universe revealing its own consciousness. Obviously, if that happened other people would have been involved.
The term ego-death comes out of the confusion over what you were experiencing. It is dumbfounding, for sure, so confusion is very justified, but ego-immersion would make more sense as a term. "Ego-death" is just additional noise to an already perplexing mythos.
When you boil down the term ego-death, it should mean that you are not experiencing a state. How to describe the experience you experience when you do not exist? How about, idiotic? Hold on, I am not disenfranchising you from your experience, but stop and think about it for two full minutes. The universe did not open up and become you, you just had a personal experience and the universe went right on being a bunch of rocks, with speed limit signs (3x10^?), while you laid comatose on whatever rock you happened to lay on.
From that state: enlightenment, satori, religious experience, a mental hole-in-one; whatever term you use, if you were to lose the "I" at that time then you would be "not" experiencing. You would be the void, dead, sleeping, not experiencing a thing.
The "awakening" is what happens afterward. You wake back up from this ego-immersion/zen-understanding/strike-on-the-head and then you feel like a being reborn; your past affiliations, memory of who you are and what you own disappear, previous judgements (not necessarily wrong judgements) about the world die, a part of you wilts like a flower, everything is anew with first impressions; instead of trusting your established concrete reality, everything is now a discovery, your previous conceptions of things go out the window. To sum it all up, being "open-minded".
Personally, I think people can be open-minded many ways, furthermore achieving the state is more to do with deliriously thinking you achieved it more than anything.
There are different levels of this ego-immersion but no upper or lower limit, it just loops in an unbroken continuum, so you see there is no hard-set definition for any term. Your ego-immersion is happening right now; you are default set near the useful ("seeing" why "things" happen) end of the spectrum. You have a white out on the opposite end of the spectrum from where we normally are.
Ultimately, you want to achieve that state of mind, but you need to "work" also.
I understand the compulsion to experience it, but the "release from desire" is just what this means. I saw "enlightenment" and, understanding it, I have no desire to see it again. No desire to be "reborn" I have "transcended" from the "cycle" and now see the "ultimate truth", that is that, we must remain open-minded and grounded in reality. The whole thing gets blown way out of proportion.
That is pretty much it, the rest is just confusion over the matter and metaphysical (make-believe) thinking: saw God, the universe spoke to me, saw the light at the end of the tunnel, got a new soul, the wizard teleported me to a nearly identical reality, etc.
There is no problem with any of that, it all falls under the guise of reality. I just want to ease your burden and vexation. The text on your screen is reality. Hello. The complete, internal vs external, alpha and omega, what is this reality thing? Ding! The answer is in all combinations of all that is around you/inside you (us); you have made it ((confetti)) ((trumpets)). It is not like there are different answers to life. There is one. Reality is not knowledge. Your imagination and reality are not synonymous, your imagination is extremely powerful, to you. Being a part of reality.
There is NO NEED for expensive terms. You can describe things using common words everyone understands. Andy Warhol put a toilet on the wall. The simplicity of understanding sometimes eludes the mind.
(read: toa te ching)
Sorry for the smothering!
The problem is like this: You can see a shadow on the side of the crescent moon. This shadow is an imperfection. It cannot be avoided unless the moon and sun are perfectly aligned.
When you do this, then you have a lunar eclipse and you do not see the moon at all!
This is the problem of the enlightened mind seeing reality. The moon is perfect, but as you approach seeing it, you do not actually get closer to seeing it!
 
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Re Ismene, Robottripping:

It's an oversimplification to state that consciousness = ego. I think it's better to say ego is a system we use to organize our consciousness. If we were unable to retain any information from experiences that include loss of our sense of self, then no one would ever change.

Also -- I'd prefer to speak about the experience of loss of self on psychedelic drugs in non-Freudian language, since many of Freud's ideas are very interesting but none of them are proven truths. The labels "id" "ego" etc created a misunderstanding that there are definite boundaries between the concepts that Freud himself did not promote. But, "ego death" is what the kids call it and language is nothing but compromise for the sake of sharing realities.
 
Re Ismene, Robottripping:

It's an oversimplification to state that consciousness = ego. I think it's better to say ego is a system we use to organize our consciousness. If we were unable to retain any information from experiences that include loss of our sense of self, then no one would ever change.

Also -- I'd prefer to speak about the experience of loss of self on psychedelic drugs in non-Freudian language, since many of Freud's ideas are very interesting but none of them are proven truths. The labels "id" "ego" etc created a misunderstanding that there are definite boundaries between the concepts that Freud himself did not promote. But, "ego death" is what the kids call it and language is nothing but compromise for the sake of sharing realities.
The only difference between the experience on drugs is that you are trapped into it.
To clarify, I am not saying that there are not pitfalls in the mind without drugs or that it is necessarily undesirable. Just easier to get locked into it. I am saying pinning the experience to either 1. Ten years of meditation 2. 10 mg DMT, Satvia, LSD, etc. is turning it into some "special" event, where it does not belong, and presumes superiority over other joyous experiences.
 
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I think what people mean by ego death are a bouquet of effects that include one or all of:

*extreme joy
*satori or sudden realizations
*emptiness
*vast dimensional extension, infinity
*no thought
*no memory
l*oss of self separate from universe
*OBE


often one or another of these factors follow a blackout (basically maximum dosage or OD - which with LSD is safe) experience,
or at least a period of breakthrough (heavy dosage) which people report as
incomprehensible intensely layered sensations, visions, and feelings in which you may even encounter entities.

I think that dosage is usually a factor, but emotion or concentration can also play a factor and the Breakthrough or Blackout-Amnesia can occur momentarily and even on a moderate dose a person can have all or some of the trappings of ego death that follow Blackout or Breakthrough.

I have not heard of any cases of ego death without either blackout or breakthrough or both even if the blackout is momentary...
I think returning from the momentary blackout segues into the loss of sense of self.
 
I think what people mean by ego death are a bouquet of effects that include one or all of:

*extreme joy
*satori or sudden realizations
*emptiness
*vast dimensional extension, infinity
*no thought
*no memory
*loss of self separate from universe
*OBE


often one or another of these factors follow a blackout (basically maximum dosage or OD - which with LSD is safe) experience,
or at least a period of breakthrough (heavy dosage) which people report as
incomprehensible intensely layered sensations, visions, and feelings in which you may even encounter entities.

I think that dosage is usually a factor, but emotion or concentration can also play a factor and the Breakthrough or Blackout-Amnesia can occur momentarily and even on a moderate dose a person can have all or some of the trappings of ego death that follow Blackout or Breakthrough.

I have not heard of any cases of ego death without either blackout or breakthrough or both even if the blackout is momentary...
I think returning from the momentary blackout segues into the loss of sense of self.
 
I've certainly experienced this, though the experience has not always been specifically relegated to the depths of the unkown, the hardened plight, the struggle worthy of Freduian dismantling.

Sometimes it is quite fun.

I suppose it does come after that first 'hardened' experience. That tab of acid that just refuses to quit, that 12mg of 2c-e you figured would be joyful addition to your mushrooms, that 35mg of DPT you regretted shoving up your ass the minute you pulled the plunger loose...

I think the veteran has a chance to reflect on those endurances each time he takes even the most modest amount of magic mushrooms on a Tuesday night. Ego death to me is something you get to enjoy and reflect on with each voyage, for some each flip of the switch if they can tune their whistles accordingly via meditation, fasting or various means other than the obvious chemical ones.

It's a state of being where interconnectedness reigns and you couldn't tell where your deepest enemies hair lip begins and your rectum ends.

Ah. It's that breath of fresh air we all need now and again.
 
IMO if you are fully immersed on 'oneness' with the universe than you are by definition experiencing ego death. I was not aware of anything, I was the universe.

I suggest you not discredit others experienced by virtue of your philosophical jargon.

This.

ego death isnt a blackout, although i did "blackout" or whatever happened, i cant remember too much

Anyone tried Ayahuasca? apparently its like a slow graspable DMT trip
 
Just trying to write about this experience I had about 20 different kinds of satori and 5 different full breakthroughs. Followed by a 5 hours of multiple blackouts. Wowzer!
 
one time I experienced ego death on a combination of 2C-I, 4-AcO-DMT, alcohol, and weed. I had tripped on the psilacetin and 2C-I earlier in the day, then drank a ton of beer and redosed 2C-I (didnt measure it because i was drunk and not at home). I arrived home 15 minutes later and loaded up a gigantic gravity bong of weed. 5 minutes after smoking, I laid down on my bed and closed my eyes and drifted off into an eternal void. I became a thought floating in the darkness. I was listening to music through my headphones and I remember feeling like I had become the music. I felt like the soundwaves, vibrating endlessly. It's quite an experience to feel like nothing and everything at the same time. I felt like I was kind of on the edge though. I dont think it was true ego death like a DMT breakthrough/hyperspace experience. I think the alcohol let me slip into a state of ego death without any anxiety, and added to the dissociation, but dulled the psychedelic effects.

I've also experienced ego death many, many times on MXE. I like MXE a lot more than traditional psychs because I don't try to fight my ego. I just slowly detach from it until I'm left with nothing (and everything). It's an insanely blissful experience.
 
yeah i get what people mean by their experiences of 'ego-death'; my argument is that it's just a poor term or misnomer.

you are experiencing a hint of singularity, a glimpse of it, go too far and you will white out :) i like to think that's what happens when our physical bodies stop interpreting sensory data and we no longer form our reality through perception.

i think we all really get this idea, let's just stop calling it ego death, anyone who has tripped hard knows that feeling.
 
^ psychedelic induced 'Oneness' or Moksha

Do you think tripping really relates much to man-made religious ideas from Buddhism or Hinduism tho entheo? I can see why people reach for terms from those religions but I don't believe for a second that a good buddhist or Hindu has the remotest idea of what it's like to trip on mushrooms.

I know the Baba Ram Dass story about "I gave my guru 900 mics and he just sat there twinkling" but that's bullshit - the "guru" palmed the LSD (a lot of Hindu "masters" are adept at sleight of hand because it's a good way of convincing undeducated people that you're "holy").

I think the whole conversation about psychedelics has been swamped a little by 60s ideas of ego-death and satori. I sometimes wish we could talk about psychedelics as their own path with it's own language.
 
+1 For the Alan Watts nod his philosphy is timeless and he's so damn charming. I could listen to him all day. "The universe is playing hide and seek and you're it!" Lovely.
 
+1 For the Alan Watts nod his philosphy is timeless and he's so damn charming. I could listen to him all day. "The universe is playing hide and seek and you're it!" Lovely.

Always wonder why his philosophy couldn't help him cope with life tho - he drank himself to death in chronic depression. I always think if he'd "Hung up the phone" on the whiskey instead of LSD he'd have lived a lot longer life.
 
He was an entertainer I think above all else. I suppose that's kind of a typical vice for show biz' people to take up I'll have to look into his personal life a bit more as I knew he drank but not to the degrees you're mentioning. I now must scan the internet for a decent biography.

Not to get too far off into this tangent, but I have to say he sure fooled me even in some of his later talks he seemed to genuinely have fun engaging the crowd 'doing philosophy.' He certainly hid his depression well on those tapes if it was present then and there.
 
Woah i didnt realize he was a heavy drinker and chronicly depressed. thats shocked me a bit
 
Yeah surprised me too - read a biog of him a couple of years ago and he ended up an absolute broken alcoholic in total despair. He was touring giving lectures on reaching peace of mind through buddhism and then going back to his room alone and sinking two bottles of whiskey.

One of his sons said to him "Don't you want to live dad?" and he said "Yes son, but it's not worth the effort".
 
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