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has there ever been a bluelight sting?

zombiesarepeaceful said:
This thread makes me paranoid.


A healthy dose of paranoia is always a good thing, as it keeps people from being stupid...sometimes :\

I've been informed by our forefathers that LE has used the board, and continues to do so, but for primarily information gathering - to know what's going around, what the lingo currently is, etc. And while users aren't a big trophy worth investing significant police work into busting, they get their drugs from someone, and if you squeeze someone small you generally get a bigger name and can work your way up the distribution ring - it's a starting point.

To my knowledge, we have not been used directly in any busts other than what has been pointed out above. However, we keep rules in place to help you protect yourself - no sourcing, no personal info, no commenting on future drug use or other illegal activity (ie, the Aus bust where they could know who and where and when). Our primary focus is Harm Reduction, which leans towards health, but we also try to help you look out for yourself legally as best we can. But ultimately, it comes back down to YOU being responsible for your own words and actions. Keep that in mind when you decide to meet someone you only know from online (where it is easy to fabricate an identity and build trust). Keep that in mind when you discuss things with one another in threads or PMs. Keep that in mind, always, that you control your life and YOU can keep you safe.
 
time traveler said:
I was kinda thinking this the other day. But not really busts, i was wondering if somehow someway in our future police states the information that we have posted here in the past could be used against us.

user name = email = ip + personal info = you = fucked

You mean the stuff I am typing on my friends neighbors sisters babysitters computer right now? How are they going to find me?

I mean if my 'friend' who owns the computer I am typing on right now cops to something that his friends neighbors sisters babysitter did that would not be smart.

The burden of proof is on cops. Almost all people who get convicted hang themselves by not keeping their mouths shut, or by copping to a plea.

How is someone going to prove who is typing this right now????

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whoops my cat just jumped on the computer and typed that.

hi

he typed that too.
 
I have bought drugs off of people I met over the internet before. I am not stupid though. There are certain things cops will do and certain things they will not do. Unless they are after you being the dealer and think they can get you to flip they will not go very far expending expenditures to develop new leads because those fall in their lap every day during routine traffic stops, etc.

They don't need to go hunting for small time dealers. If however they have reason to believe you have a connection to a person that deals multi kilo's, they would put the man power into developing a relationship with you.

but greedy people are the ones that get busted. Careful people who are willing to walk away from a deal are much less likely to get busted.

Know the law. Know how cops work. Know what cops will and will not do. I would rather have a new potential legit dealer get pissed with me for being paraniod and wanting to take precautions and jump through hoops and refuse to deal with me than move forward too quickly and wind up in cuffs.

Cops are on the clock, they are not gonna play endless games for small time bs.


All that being said, 98% of my drug use is behind me now, and I don't deal with anyone worth arresting anymore. I used to know some people who did some stuff, that was years ago though.



Of course anything is possible, some cops kid might have just died of an OD from an online drug deal so he gets a vendetta and sets out to get people and headlines, wasteing resources to get his emotional revenge.

Anything is possible. The more careful you are, the smarter you are, the less likely you are to get into trouble. And the greedy dealers always, ALWAYS go down.
 
In case any members of the law enforcement community are reading this thread, ClubbinGuido's address is:

NSFW:
FuCK YOU YOU FUCKING PIG MOTHERFUCKERS!!!! ;) :X
 
Infinite Jest said:
To my knowledge, there has not been a sting operation on BL (if you mean 'police pretending to be buyers or sellers of drugs, in order to catch a dealer'). I would stress again that using BL to buy or sell drugs is strictly against our guidelines and likely to result in an instant ban. This is for everyone's protection :) We're here to share information and hopefully reduce harm.

HEAR HEAR!!!
 
They cant bust ya unless you get your self into a situation when they can get ya. Buying drugs off someone you meet over the internet on a msg board would be way too sketchy. Shouldnt be done.

Imagine if some Catch a Preadator shit turned into Narc a Preadator shit an they prey on people who are jus tryin to get there mind fix..

DONT GET BUSTED PEOPLE!

Wag-won one love
 
Imagine if some Catch a Preadator shit turned into Narc a Preadator shit an they prey on people who are jus tryin to get there mind fix..
Ha! Imagine Chris Hansen telling a tweaker, "Why don't you have a seat," over and over and over again! :D
 
stonedsublime said:
They cant bust ya unless you get your self into a situation when they can get ya. Buying drugs off someone you meet over the internet on a msg board would be way too sketchy. Shouldnt be done.

Imagine if some Catch a Preadator shit turned into Narc a Preadator shit an they prey on people who are jus tryin to get there mind fix..

DONT GET BUSTED PEOPLE!

Wag-won one love

So what would happen? YOu say hey I can get some stuff and I say yeah I might be interested lets meeet up and hang out.

Then I show up with nothing on me and hang out. My cop radar is on full blast and I start chatting with you. If you have not operated in an undercover capacity to bust people before I will know within a minute or 2 at the most you are a cop. If you have operated in that capacity I still play stupid/nieve and do not say anthing to incriminate myself. If you offer me a beer I drink a beer with you but the whole time my cop radar is on and I am talking with you trying to figure out who you are, what you are about. I start exchanging stories about the past with you (it is not illegal to say that you have used drugs or deallt drugs, just like it is not illegal to say you have killed someone or chopped off the heads of 50 babies and buried them somewhere...they still need tangible proof of a crime).

So if your a seasoned UC who has run in drug circles before (these are people who go after dealers selling multi ounces from jumpstreet BTW) I am still just chatting with you about the old days when I used to do x, y, z (of course I would not reveal specifics of some bad crimes that could be looked up, not that I have done any of those anyways, and I do not mention any names).

Are you gonna break out some coke and start doing lines in front of me? Or are you going to try to push for a deal? If you try to push for a deal I say that I am uncomfortable and suggest we go get a coffee.... What crime have I committed thus far?
 
thugpassion said:
Iv met people from BL and had them remove their clothes and turn out their pockets before I would even talk about anything.

lol yeah like that would do anything.. its not like the movies man police dont have their CI use wires. they just wait outside and watch them call the dealer, watch them walk into the house or apartment building with money, and walk out with drugs.
 
absent minded said:
lol yeah like that would do anything.. its not like the movies man police dont have their CI use wires. they just wait outside and watch them call the dealer, watch them walk into the house or apartment building with money, and walk out with drugs.

I would say that snitches can mess you up a lot easier than cops, even if you are smart (as you point out with the above, the cops use this as evidence to get a warrant).

I actually know someone who operated with a nationally known criminal decades ago, busted out defending himself paying lawyers, turned into an alkie and petty thief and then actually was approached by cops to sign off that he participated in a controlled buy because the cops knew their suspect was dealing and wanted to bust him so got this former big time criminal to sign off that he did controlled buys when he didn't even do them and the cops used that to get a warrant and bust the dealer. He snitched on the dude falsely no less to gain favor with the cops so that he could get some get out of trouble free cards. He said he knew the dealer would not retaliate so it didn't matter to him.

And if I told you who he operated with in the late 60's 70's and looked up his career you would be shocked. He and his gang were big time. 15 years later he turned into a petty thief alkie snitch.
 
pennywise said:
In case any members of the law enforcement community are reading this thread, ClubbinGuido's address is:

NSFW:
FuCK YOU YOU FUCKING PIG MOTHERFUCKERS!!!! ;) :X

Fucking A bro. Let the fuckers know.
 
The main thing that worries me about sites like BL is not the possibility of a sting, but simply the publicization of the means of acquiring drugs. For example, through BL and similar sites it is not difficult to get sources for opiates, cocaine, psychedelic RCs of all descriptions, etc. Sooner or later this is going to be a big issue and there will be a major national crackdown. Large-scale drug sniffing operations in both the USPS and private carriers are probably just a couple of years over the horizon; the technology is already there (forget dogs, machines are surpassing them), and all that's lacking is the political will. As soon as "KIDS ARE BUYING DRUGS ON THE INTERNET" stories start appearing everywhere, politicians will take notice. This is the golden age, and it won't last long.

Heh -- our local news had a big "expose" the other day that you can buy glass smoking pipes in convenience stores downtown. I LOL'd.
 
SomeKindaLove said:
I have put out only a very general sense of where I am in the world, and still get fuckers PM'ing me to score drugs, which is funny, because I don't do drugs.
That's really rude! :P
 
phrozen said:
Ha! Imagine Chris Hansen telling a tweaker, "Why don't you have a seat," over and over and over again! :D
Itd prolly be easier to snag drug users...

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^It had to be done...
 
marquee said:
That's really rude! :P

Some of them were nice about it, though, and seemed like legit and nice people who were hard-up and just didn't read the rules or put much thought into it :)
 
as long as the police dont find about the real reason behind bluelight everything should be ok. btw anyone know when the next shipment is?
 
BodhiSvaha33 said:
The main thing that worries me about sites like BL is not the possibility of a sting, but simply the publicization of the means of acquiring drugs. For example, through BL and similar sites it is not difficult to get sources for opiates, cocaine, psychedelic RCs of all descriptions, etc. Sooner or later this is going to be a big issue and there will be a major national crackdown. Large-scale drug sniffing operations in both the USPS and private carriers are probably just a couple of years over the horizon; the technology is already there (forget dogs, machines are surpassing them), and all that's lacking is the political will. As soon as "KIDS ARE BUYING DRUGS ON THE INTERNET" stories start appearing everywhere, politicians will take notice. This is the golden age, and it won't last long.

Heh -- our local news had a big "expose" the other day that you can buy glass smoking pipes in convenience stores downtown. I LOL'd.

I have both responded to and posted and ad on craigs list looking for coke and met 2 dealers that way (this is aftere I got out of the game and dropped all my old asociates).

I can understand news stories being done on this sort of thing, and/or busts/sting set ups done (they do it at craigslist busting johns using hookers, etc) but they can not stop it any more than they can stop drugs or prostitutioin in general.

Be smart. Be cautious. If your spidy sense tells yo to bakc off do it, better to looose a good potential connection than wind up in cuffs. Take your time getting to know people, put them through the paces. Don't incriminate youselve by making declariative sttements, keep it to "i MIGHT be interested" or that sounds intesting we should hang out"

Cops are gonna want to press for a deal. Dealers are doing to be as suspicius of you as you are of them, if not more. Cops have nothing ot 'worry' about if they set up or know ahead of time the final buy location, etc.

So change that shit up. Tell the person your uncomfortable dealing with new people and want to go grab a coffee down the street. Tell him your looking for someone you can come to know and tust and possibly deal wiht long term and like to take steps to help you feel safe. Cops are not wanna play games like htat unless it is for a major score. Some dealers won't either, but they are impuslive and geeedy dealers and trust me they will go down eventually, if they have not been busted already.

Then you take things to a different town, you let him know aheald of time you like to be extra careful because it's in everyone's best interstss and your looking for long term safe individulals to deal with. Go have the coffee and see if your followed. Go for a drive to some place where it's hard to be followed. Cops are not going to want to do that because it leaves one of their offiicers out there one on one with someone. They will likely resist and push for the deal right there. If that happens just walk, it might be an impatient dealer, but that dude is going to eventually get busted anyway I promise you.

The thing with cops is that they don''t want to invest time with small time bs. They don't want 4 people (the frontman and 3 backup) on a sting for an 8 ball lasitng 4 hours. That shit is going to drive them crazy. And as every minute goes by after you talk about getting the coffee they have to sweat that someone is gonns pull a weapon as well as deal with the logistical nightmare of picking up shop and following you. They are gonna press for a deal right there. Don't bite. You might miss out on the best dealer in the city but that is the way you have to operate when dealing with stranges in this game if you wannna stay out of cuffs, and especially out of court and jail.

There are too many easy marks for cops to bust for them to waste the manpower to try to entrap a polite, respectful person who is making it very difficult for them to get the deal done on their terms. The regular patrol officer pull peeople over with weed and coke and heroin every day during traffic stips and stakeouts of smalltime streat dealers so have ample opportunity to use this resource to try to flip people and get higher level dealers. That's why they won't risk it and change locations, etc withsomeone unless they have reason to believe it's gonna lead to a really big bust. They have too many suckers on a string already so they are gonna argue against changing locaitons (unless it's some simple shit like going across the street).

You want to change towns, you want to leave the impression that not only have you not commmited to buying/selling anything, but that after alll of this you still might not buy/sell anything this day. If your not dealing ounces they are not gonna bothe with you if you try to make them jump through hoops like this.

Cops are concerned about managing risk because it is a JOB for them. They wan the control. If the dealer/buyer has a problem with YOU picking the location tell him you can pick 6 potential one's within the area and roll a dice to decide which one to go to (that way a real dealer will know he's not gonna get jumped, not that he has to bring his stufff wiht him anyway). Tell him your paranoid and like to avoid police and courts and hope he likes to do the same.

The longer you spend talking with him the more likely you are to pick up on if he is legit or a cop.

And with snitches some of them have nothing to loose and will take mad risks to gain favor with cops so it is much harder to avoid someone turned rat. But if you are careful you can avoid having the cops anywher near you when something goes down, and snitches typically BUY, not sell. cops don't want to be giving snitches and ounce of blow to walk out the door with some stranger to have coffee at a neighboring town yet to be determined, at a donout shop yet to be determinded. lol
 
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