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Has piracetam ever made your roll LESS intense?

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For those of you who have tried pre-loading with piracetam (or other nootropics), has anyone found it actually made your roll less intense? Also, I know most people use it to regain the magic, but is there any reason it shouldn't have the desired effect if you take it before you've lost the magic?

I've only done MDMA 4-5 times, have been spacing it out, and haven't lost the magic yet. But I'd heard piracetam could enhance the high, so I decided to try pre-loading 1500mg (+600mg choline) for a few days before rolling, then the same thing on the day of, in addition to a larger dose of 3000mg (+1200mg choline) a couple hours before dropping.

I dropped 130mg MDMA for the first dose + 60mg booster at T+1:30 + another 60mg at T:3:00. The roll came on very mild and peaceful, which was different, but enjoyable enough. But then the peak wasn't nearly as strong as it's been before. The euphoria and "loved-up" feelings were significantly dampened, and it was more of a physical high (lots of eye wiggles, jaw clenching). I felt very clear-headed and aware of the fact that I was rolling, and despite being in a good mood and feeling very chatty like usual, it was so lucid that I never got fully into the mindset. My boyfriend (who had been pre-loading with the same dosages) felt the same way.

I had pure molly (as far as I know-- it tested fine with the Mecke reagent), and have had a great time on this same batch before, so I know it's not a source issue. I'm not on any SSRIs, so that's also not a problem. I was pre-loading with 5-HTP earlier in the week, but I stopped a couple days before the roll-- that should be long enough to eliminate any interference from that, right? My last roll the month prior was fantastic, and the piracetam is the only thing I did differently this time, so I can't think of what else it could have been.

I was really hoping piracetam would live up to its reputation. I've heard that it adds greater clarity, which I would certainly agree with-- but is it really the kind of clarity that makes you feel less euphoric / more sober? Is this typical?
 
I had the exact same problem when i dosed too close to the roll.. Now i just take piracetam the weeks leading up to a roll and i only take one dose on the day im rolling (atleast 4 hours before my roll) I also use raw cacao powder almost daily. Also something not to take to close to the roll. I almost passed out when i ate the chocolate before my roll.. Sam talks alot about the whole chocolate thing and his 'E' Diet (worth checking out, especially if you arent already into health eating)..
 
Maybe not less intense, but not good at the same time. I didn't like any of my experiences with piracetam and in fact, had headaches when I would stop using it. I tried taking it every day, and preloading before shows. Something was always kind of off.
 
I think it's really very difficult to judge these things because E varies and your experiences of E vary. I've only predosed with Piracetam once and I'd not done the same MDMA powder before. I did c.130mg of it. I don't know how strong it was. My brother did 800mg on his own the same night and was TOTALLED and cannot remember what the heck he was doing so I think it's safe to say it was reasonably strong but it's hard to say since he overdosed stupidly.

It seemed to me that the piracetam cleaned up the high whilst increasing the visuals slightly - lights looked cooler. I felt more in control than normal but maybe without the loved up craziness. In a way it suited me because I'm usually very much the other way. I have friends who dose the same as me but don't look a total mess, don't embarass themselves being wildly OTT and don't get as crazy as I do! I also was able to make a good decision about leaving the venue at a sensible hour which is very unlike me and I felt pretty OK the next day too - again very unlike me. I don't think I got as high as I would have liked or expected to on that dose.

So I'm two minds about it. If it was instrumental in protecting my brain and making me feel OK the next day then that is a very good thing. I also liked not being the most off it person there, which is unusual. But if it was responsible for killing the high then I'm not so sure.

I don't know if I'll take it next time.
 
I second the colours and HD vision. More clear headed non existant come down. But the roll itself seemed shorter. I like it better dosing far apart so it doesnt diminish anything, but still helps with protecting your brain. I also take it after i roll
 
That would be nice but is there any evidence that piracetam, taken with say a day's gap between that and rolling has any neuroprotective effect for MDMA? I can't find any.
 
Havent found any.. I can only say that i feel better with than without.. 100% not placebo.. But feeling damage free and being damage free are two very different things..
Like i posted in another thread. Dosing with caffeine leaves me tired all week.. If i take piracetam im fine and its like i never roll'd.. Never had comedowns to begin with. Just feeling tired, but my friends did and they all feel better on piracetam
 
I suspected that maybe taking it too soon before rolling might have been an issue. I think I'm going to experiment a little more, maybe try taking it earlier in the day, or just during the week before, but skipping the day of. Then I can at least see if it's any better that way. I did notice it made me feel better when I took it during the few days that followed, so even if I don't like the effects during the roll, it's good to know that it's useful for recovery. I'm also really excited to try pre-loading with chocolate... although I eat quite a bit of dark (90%!) chocolate normally, so I can't say whether it's already being enhanced by that, as I don't have a no-chocolate state to compare to. I'd probably have to eat a ton more to see any difference from my usual effects! Anyway, thanks for the responses!
 
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Interesting that this has come up. I had 1000mgs of Piracetam + 500 choline one week before rolling. Then had 2400mg of Piracetam + 1200 choline 10 hours before the roll. Spent the whole day wired! When I dropped 150mg of tested MDMA within 15 mins noticable visuals more than normal. Came up quicker than usual. But it was very peaky. Up then down nd tired, then up again about about 6 times an hour. Experianced the same thing through out the night. Each time I dropped a booster T+2hrs, T+3.5, T+4.5. It seemed to be crushing the roll. Far less euphoria and "loved-up" feeling.

Agree 100% on afters tho it really helps!

Whats this Chocolate thing ive seen mentioned in a couple of threads?
 
Maybe it would be a handy thing to keep on you in case you get too messy and then you can use it as a "clean up" agent?

I'm not sure I really want to lose the euphoria and loved-up side of things.
 
maybe your molly got the ol' stompetty-stomp. It's not that uncommon.
 
There isn't a way where piracetam could lessen the experience...
One month in between rolls... the best is at least two and preferably three months or more...
Preloading on 5htp can maybe the source of your diminished roll; stopping couple of days before the roll isn't enough.
 
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