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Primarily to test piperazines.

Not a lot of people have access to test kits. So then, has anyone tried any household products to test pills?

Since the Marquis solution contains sulfuric acid (H2SO4) doesn't that mean we can try out other acids to produce the fizzing effect that BZP/Pipers produce when tested with them?

I don't wanna risk trying it out yet and getting caught by my parents/siblings.

Has anyone tried vinegar or other acids/indicators?
 
hmm i'll try orange juice tomm. thats a start.
now if everyone here grabs a household acid or whatever and do a test on some fake pillz someones bound to find one mayyyybe. lol that'd be hilarious.







o0o0oh look im a bluelighter now. =)
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marquis reacts on a lot of household products

Sugar / Asprin / Tea etc and they are a great way to check that your kit is still 'active' when you get a new kit test some sugar and note the colour and time of reaction - in 12 months time you can repeat the process and see if you kit is still ok.

Table 1. Final colors produced by reagents A.l through A.12 with various
drugs and other substances
Analyte Solvent ISCCNIST**
Color Munsell
A.1 Benzphetamine HCl CHCl3 168 Brilliant greenish blue 5B 7/8
A.1 Brompheniramine Maleate CHCl3 168 Brilliant greenish blue 5B 6/10
A.1 Chlordiazepoxide HCl CHCl3 168 Brilliant greenish blue 2.5B 6/8
A.1 Chlorpromazine HCl CHCl3 168 Brilliant greenish blue 5B 6/10
A.1 Cocaine HCl CHCl3 169 Strong greenish blue 5B 5/10
A.1 Diacetylmorphine HCl CHCl3 169 Strong greenish blue 7.5B 6/10
A.1 Doxepin HCl CHCl3 168 Brilliant greenish blue 5B 6/10
A.1 Ephedrine HCl CHCl3 169 Strong greenish blue 5B 5/10
A.1 Hydrocodone tartrate CHCl3 168 Brilliant greenish blue 5B 6/8
A.1 Meperidine HCl CHCl3 169 Strong greenish blue 5B 5/10
A.1 Methadone HCl* CHCl3 168 Brilliant greenish blue 5B 6/10
A.1 Methylphenidate HCl CHCl3 168 Brilliant greenish blue 10BG 6/8
A.1 Phencyclidine HCl CHCl3 169 Strong greenish blue 5B 5/10
A.1 Procaine HCl* CHCl3 169 Strong greenish blue 5B 5/10
A.1 Propoxyphene HCl* CHCl3 169 Strong greenish blue 5B 5/10
A.1 Pseudoephedrine HCl CHCl3 169 Strong greenish blue 5B 5/10
A.1 Quinine HCl CHCl3 178 Strong blue 2.5PB 5/12
A.2 Amobarbital CHCl3 222 Light purple 5P 7/8
A.2 Pentobarbital* CHCl3 222 Light purple 5P 7/8
A.2 Phenobarbital* CHCl3 222 Light purple 5P 7/8
A.2 Secobarbital* CHCl3 222 Light purple 5P 7/8
A.3 Mace5 crystals 2371 Strong reddish purple 2.5RP 5/12
2372 Strong reddish purple 2.5RP 5/12
2213 Very light purple 5P 8/4
A.3 Nutmeg extract 2441 Pale reddish purple 10P 6/4
2442 Pale reddish purple 10P 6/4
2613 Light gray purplish red 5RP 7/4
A.3 Tea extract 1194 Light yellow green 5GY 8/6
A.3 THC* EtOH 2041 Gray purplish blue 7.5PB 4/4
1992 Light purplish blue 7.5PB 7/8
2193 Deep purple 7.5P 4/12
A.4 Acetaminophen CHCl3 107 Moderate olive 10Y 5/8
A.4 Aspirin powder 127 Grayish olive green 2.5GY 4/2
A.4 Benzphetamine HCl* CHCl3 116 Brilliant yellow green 2.5GY 8/10
A.4 Brompheniramine Maleate CHCl3 50 Strong orange 7.5YR 7/14
A.4 Chlorpromazine HCl CHCl3 108 Dark olive 10Y 3/4
A.4 Cocaine HCl* CHCl3 69 Deep orange yellow 10YR 7/14
A.4 Codeine* CHCl3 108 Dark olive 10Y 3/4
A.4 Contac powder 84 Strong yellow 2.5Y 6/10
A.4 d-Amphetamine HCl* CHCl3 164 Moderate bluish green 5BG 5/6
A.4 d-Methamphetamine HCl* CHCl3 137 Dark yellowish green 10GY 4/6
A.4 Diacetylmorphine HCl* CHCl3 43 Moderate reddish brown 10R 3/6
4
Table 1. Final colors produced by reagents A.l through A.12 with various
drugs and other substances-Continued
Analyte Solvent ISCCNIST**
Color Munsell
A.4 Dimethoxy-meth HCl CHCl3 96 Dark olive brown 5Y 2/2
A.4 Doxepin HCl CHCl3 44 Dark reddish brown 10R 2/4
A.4 Dristan powder 110 Grayish olive 7.5Y 4/4
A.4 Exedrine powder 108 Dark olive 7.5Y 3/4
A.4 Mace5 crystals 125 Moderate olive green 5GY 4/8
A.4 MDA HCl CHCl3 193 Bluish black 10B 2/2
A.4 Mescaline HCl* CHCl3 78 Dark yellowish brown 10YR 3/4
A.4 Methadone HCl CHCl3 187 Dark grayish blue 5B 3/2
A.4 Methaqualone CHCl3 66 Very orange yellow 10YR 8/14
A.4 Methylphenidate HCl CHCl3 67 Brilliant orange yellow 2.5Y 8/10
A.4 Morphine monohydrate* CHCl3 47 Dark grayish reddish
Brown
10R 3/2
A.4 Opium* CHCl3 59 Dark brown 7.5YR 2/4
A.4 Oxycodone HCl CHCl3 103 Dark greenish yellow 10Y 6/6
A.4 Procaine HCl CHCl3 51 Deep orange 5YR 5/12
A.4 Propoxyphene HCl CHCl3 44 Dark reddish brown 10R 2/4
A.4 Quinine HCl CHCl3 100 Deep greenish yellow 10Y 9/6
A.4 Salt crystals 50 Strong orange 5YR 7/12
A.5 Aspirin powder 13 Deep red 5R 3/10
A.5 Benzphetamine HCl* CHCl3 41 Deep reddish brown 7.5R 2/6
A.5 Chlorpromazine HCl CHCl3 256 Deep purplish red 2.5RP 3/8
A.5 Codeine* CHCl3 225 Very dark purple 7.5P 2/4
A.5 d-Amphetamine HCl* CHCl3 35 to Strong reddish orange 10R 6/12 to
44 Dark reddish brown 7.5R 2/4
A.5 d-Methamphetamine HCl* CHCl3 36 to Deep reddish orange 10R 4/12 to
44 Dark reddish brown 7.5R 2/4
A.5 Diacetylmorphine HCl* CHCl3 256 Deep purplish red 7.5RP 3/10
A.5 Dimethoxy-meth HCl CHCl3 107 Moderate olive 7.5Y 5/8
A.5 Doxepin HCl CHCl3 21 Blackish red 7.5R 2/2
A.5 Dristan powder 20 Dark grayish red 5R 3/2
A.5 Exedrine powder 16 Dark red 5R 3/8
A.5 LSD CHCl3 114 Olive black 10Y 2/2
A.5 Mace5 crystals 87 Moderate yellow 7Y 7/8
A.5 MDA HCl* CHCl3 267 Black Black
A.5 Meperidine HCl CHCl3 56 Deep brown 5YR 3/6
A.5 Mescaline HCl* CHCl3 50 Strong orange 5YR 6/12
A.5 Methadone HCl CHCl3 28 Light yellowish pink 2.5YR 8/4
A.5 Methylphenidate HCl CHCl3 71 Moderate orange yellow 10YR 8/8
A.5 Morphine monohydrate* CHCl3 239 Very deep reddish purple 10P 3/6
A.5 Opium* Powder 47 Dark grayish reddish
Brown
10R 3/2
A.5 Oxycodone HCl* CHCl3 214 Pale violet 2.5P 6/4
A.5 Propoxyphene HCl CHCl3 230 Blackish purple 2.5RP 2/2
A.5 Sugar crystals 59 Dark brown 5YR 2/4
5
Table 1. Final colors produced by reagents A.l through A.12 with various
drugs and other substances-Continued
Analyte Solvent ISCCNIST**
Color Munsell
A.6 Acetaminophen CHCl3 67 Brilliant orange yellow 2.5Y 8/12
A.6 Codeine* CHCl3 101 Light greenish yellow 7.5Y 9/6
A.6 Diacetylmorphine HCl* CHCl3 89 Pale yellow 5Y 9/6
A.6 Dimethoxy-meth HCl CHCl3 82 Very yellow 2.5Y 8/14
A.6 Doxepin HCl CHCl3 83 Brilliant yellow 5Y 8.5/8
A.6 Dristan powder 51 Deep orange 5YR 6/12
A.6 Exedrine powder 67 Brilliant orange yellow 2.5Y 8/12
A.6 LSD CHCl3 55 Strong brown 5YR 5/10
A.6 Mace5 crystals 102 Moderate greenish yellow 10Y 7/6
A.6 MDA HCl CHCl3 101 Light greenish yellow 7.5Y 9/6
A.6 Mescaline HCl* CHCl3 16 Dark red 5R 3/6
A.6 Morphine monohydrate* CHCl3 67 Brilliant orange yellow 2.5Y 8/12
A.6 Opium* Powder 72 Dark orange yellow 10YR 6/10
A.6 Oxycodone HCl CHCl3 83 Brilliant yellow 5Y 8.5/8
A.7 LSD* CHCl3 219 Deep purple 7.5P 3/10
A.8 Acetaminophen MEOH 103 Dark greenish yellow 10Y 6/10
A.8 Baking Soda powder 51 Deep orange 5YR 6/14
A.8 Chlorpromazine HCl MEOH 48 Very orange 5YR 7/14
A.8 Dristan powder 200 Moderate purplish blue 10PB 4/2
A.8 Exedrine powder 200 Moderate purplish blue 10PB 4/2
A.8 Morphine monohydrate* MEOH 146 Dark green 5G 3/6
A.9 Aspirin powder 228 Grayish purple 7.5P 5/2
A.9 Chlorpromazine HCl CHCl3 14 Very deep red 5R 3/10
A.9 Codeine* CHCl3 147 Very dark green 7.5G 2/6
A.9 Contac powder 95 Moderate olive brown 2.5Y 4/6
A.9 Diacetylmorphine HCl* CHCl3 256 Deep purplish red 5RP 3/10
A.9 Dimethoxy-meth HCl CHCl3 115 Very yellow green 5GY 6/10
A.9 Doxepin HCl CHCl3 41 Deep reddish brown 7.5R 2/8
A.9 Dristan powder 163 Light bluish green 5BG 7/6
A.9 Exedrine powder 177 Brilliant blue 10B 6/10
A.9 LSD CHCl3 120 Moderate yellow green 5GY 6/6
A.9 Mace5 crystals 70 Light olive yellow 10YR 8/8
A.9 MDA HCl* CHCl3 157 Greenish black 7.5G 2/2
A.9 Morphine monohydrate* CHCl3 256 Deep purplish red 5RP 3/10
A.9 Opium* Powder 65 Brownish black 7.5R 2/2
A.9 Oxycodone HCl CHCl3 84 Strong yellow 2.5Y 7/10
A.9 Propoxyphene HCl CHCl3 20 Dark grayish red 2.5R 3/2
A.9 Sugar crystals 83 Brilliant yellow 5Y 8.5/8
A.10 Chlorpromazine HCl CHCl3 21 Blackish red 5R 2/2
A.10 Codeine* CHCl3 166 Very dark bluish green 2.5BG 2/4
A.10 Contac powder 95 Moderate olive brown 2.5Y 4/6
6
Table 1. Final colors produced by reagents A.l through A.12 with various
drugs and other substances-Continued
Analyte Solvent ISCCNIST**
Color Munsell
A.10 Diacetylmorphine HCl* CHCl3 161 Deep bluish green 2.5BG 3/8
A.10 Dimethoxy-meth HCl CHCl3 59 Dark brown 5YR 2/4
A.10 Doxepin HCl CHCl3 17 Very dark red 5R 2/4
A.10 Dristan powder 94 Light olive brown 2.5Y 6/10
A.10 Exedrine powder 91 Dark grayish yellow 5Y 6/4
A.10 Hydrocodone tartrate CHCl3 165 Dark bluish green 5BG 3/6
A.10 LSD CHCl3 157 Greenish black 7.5G 2/2
A.10 Mace5 crystals 111 Dark grayish olive 10Y 3/4
A.10 MDA HCl* CHCl3 166 Very dark bluish green 2.5BG 2/4
A.10 Mescaline HCl* CHCl3 107 Moderate olive 7.5Y 5/8
A.10 Morphine monohydrate* CHCl3 166 Very dark bluish green 2.5BG 2/4
A.10 Nutmeg leaves 65 Brownish black 10YR 2/2
A.10 Opium* Powder 114 Olive black 10Y 2/2
A.10 Oxycodone HCl CHCl3 107 Moderate olive 7.5Y 5/8
A.10 Propoxyphene HCl CHCl3 41 Deep reddish brown 10R 2/6
A.10 Sugar crystals 98 Brilliant greenish yellow 10Y 8.5/10
A.11 Baking Soda powder 181 Light blue 2.5PB 7/6
A.11 Exedrine powder 144 Light green 5G 7/6
A.11 Pentobarbital* CHCl3 222 Light purple 7.5P 7/6
A.11 Phenobarbital* CHCl3 222 Light purple 7.5P 7/6
A.11 Secobarbital* CHCl3 222 Light purple 7.5P 7/6
A.11 Tea leaves 120 Moderate yellow green 2.5GY 7/8
A.11 Tobacco leaves 136 Moderate yellowish green 10GY 6/6
A.12 d-Methamphetamine HCl* CHCl3 183 Dark blue 2.5PB 2/6
A.12 Dimethoxy-meth HCl* CHCl3 179 Deep blue 2.5PB 3/8
A.12 MDMA HCl CHCl3 183 Dark blue 2.5PB 2/6
A.12 Methylphenidate HCl CHCl3 214 Pale violet 2.5P 6/4
 
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You can make some drug test solutions at home, but none that are sufficient for testing for MDMA (Something tells me that hardware store H2SO4 and formaldehyde would not make a usable marquis reagent)
 
^Thats not really true as you can make Marquis etc with just a few readily available chemicals - if you check the pillreport testing section on Making your own kit theres instructions etc.
 
I cannot find that topic - could you point me to it a bit more specifically? This is very relevant to a project i'm working on.

I'm not sure if you mean some part of pillreports.com that I can't find, or a thread on BL (searching this forum for "making your own kit" doesn't get me anything)

I would be truly impressed if _hardware store_ sulfuric acid and formaldehyde (from paraformaldehyde anti-mildew agents) would be clean enough to not react with some impurity in one of the ingredients.
 
i think most ppl mis-intreperted what the OP was asking. Correct me if im wrong, but i think he was talkin about what chemicals can we use to test to see if our pillz contain a pipe.

not to see if our test kits r still good.
 
This question (if I am interpreting what the OP wants correctly) is way above my knowledge of simple chemistry, so I am moving this to Pill Testing Q&A to see if phase_dancer can shed some light on the subject.

:)
 
Yeah I misunderstood the post - I thought they were asking what household things could you test with a kit (sorry).
 
TheAzo said:
I cannot find that topic - could you point me to it a bit more specifically? This is very relevant to a project i'm working on.

I'm not sure if you mean some part of pillreports.com that I can't find, or a thread on BL (searching this forum for "making your own kit" doesn't get me anything)

I would be truly impressed if _hardware store_ sulfuric acid and formaldehyde (from paraformaldehyde anti-mildew agents) would be clean enough to not react with some impurity in one of the ingredients.
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this should cover it :)

http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/showthread.php?t=257835
 
Since the Marquis solution contains sulfuric acid (H2SO4) doesn't that mean we can try out other acids to produce the fizzing effect that BZP/Pipers produce when tested with them?

I don't wanna risk trying it out yet and getting caught by my parents/siblings.

Has anyone tried vinegar or other acids/indicators?
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While other presumptive test reagents use different acids, it should be noted, that sulphuric acid is a very strong acid and while H2SO4 itself is capable of forming coloured compounds with a variety of substances, the reagent becomes far more versatile when formaldehyde is added. Many of the colored product produced with Marquis aren't produced with sulphuric acid alone. Put simply, many of the typical reaction colours are formed by linkages involving reactions with formaldehyde, with acid acting as a oxidising agent, a catalyst or just to sufficiently lower pH so the reactions proceed.

From Forensic Chemistry by Suzanne Bell

In the case of the Marquis and morphine, a linked oxonium carbonium ion has been suggested as the source of the violet-colored product via an intermediate linked structure. The mechanism is analogous to the amphetamine-methamphetamine pathway: an attack on formaldehyde by the amine, the linkage of two drug molecules, and formation of the colored carbonium under acidic conditions.
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With Mandelin it's the vanadate oxidation state catalyzed by the acid, that forms coloured coordination complexes, so while the H2SO4 is important in the reactions, it's not the only vital piece if you get my drift.

That's not to say other things won't form colored products with piperazines, but without understanding what types of reaction/ products are likely and thereby being able to narrow down the search for those likely to produce a unique chromophore, imo it would be like finding a needle in a haystack. Also, such "total guess experiments" could pose hazards if something reacts violently.
 
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