Tryptamines Has anyone seen any real 4-aco-dmt?

[Ismene2]

The first 4-aco-dmt I had about 5 or 6 years ago was white. This was an incredible drug - no nausea - even at doses as high as 300mg. I used to dance for hours.

Then it all changed. Now when you buy 4-aco its an absolutely shit synthesis thats grey in colour. Even on small doses you get shitty nausea. And they keep charging more and more for this garbage.

 

[Shinji Ikari]

even at doses as high as 300mg. I used to dance for hours.

Most people are too busy being told the error of their ways by God Almighty themselves to dance at a dose like this.

I've been through 3 batches of 4-aco, 2 tan and one white. Funnily enough the white felt like the weakest of the bunch but I've always had profound trips on both regardless. Usually in the 20-30mg range.

I take acid when I want to have fun. 4-aco-dmt always forces me to work on some personal bullshit whether I like it or not.

Edit: forgot to answer the question directly. Yes. Yes I have.

 

[Ismene2]

How recently have you seen tan/white 4aco? That in the uk?

 

[deficiT]

Yeah, I've never had nausea from it, and I've never ran across a batch of 4acodmt I didnt like, or that made me nauseous. It's my favorite tryptamine for sure.

I got a small sampler from a guy recently... but its in a solution. The liquid is like brown though? I'm wondering wtf the solvent is lol. Going to get a g though from him if it is good, although I have a couple options if it's not great.

 

[negrogesic]

I took 350mg of 4-AcO-DMT. The nausea felt like my stomach was twisting. The hallucinations were immersive and revolting.

Interestingly though, i didn't vomit. Was a terrible decision though, I thought I'd wind up in a psych ward for weeks trying to reintegrate myself back into reality but 8 hours later I was fine. Dumbest part was that the visuals weren't even interesting, just a sea of black and white swirls that I was stuck in. I've had far better visuals from 30mg. 350mg is equivalent to well over an ounce of shrooms, which is beyond human comprehension. In a lucid moment I felt within my core that I was dying, so perhaps it mimicks the biochemical inducted feeling that precedes death. It wasnt ego death, it felt like actual death.

 

[SuperPsych]

The first 4-aco-dmt I had about 5 or 6 years ago was white. This was an incredible drug - no nausea - even at doses as high as 300mg. I used to dance for hours.

Then it all changed. Now when you buy 4-aco its an absolutely shit synthesis thats grey in colour. Even on small doses you get shitty nausea. And they keep charging more and more for this garbage.

I've had 4-ACO-DMT range from White to tan to greyish to brown. The current stuff I have was a greyish tan that turned to brown. Haven't had any issues with it but I've only dosed it once or twice in lower doses to add a bit of introspection to a lighter psychedelic. Haven't had any issues. The 4-HO-MIPT that I have arrived very dark and has turned a dark grey, almost black. Still works beautifully and no ill effects. Tryptamines can range widely in their appearance even if it's a quality batch.

The nausea you're getting could just be the nature of the experience. It could also be set and setting. You may be going in expecting nausea and it could be a self-fulfilling prophecy of sorts.

I have noticed that synths have been getting worse and worse in recent years. Back when I entered the RC scene around 2012, most chems we're high quality, high purity and not to mention extremely cheap. I usually buy dissociatives these days and the product does seem to be getting worse and worse, not to mention prohibitively expensive. The fact that RC's used to be much cheaper than street drugs was a selling point for a lot of people. Now I end up paying $15-$20 a dose for an RC when I could get street drugs much cheaper. I tend to prefer RC's so I still do it but it sucks sometimes.

 

[Didgital]

The liquid is like brown though?

While not ideal, it is not uncommon for 4-aco-dmt to degrade and darken significantly. I've not done analytics, but most people say potency is barely affected.

 

[Ismene2]

I've had 4-ACO-DMT range from White to tan to greyish to brown. The current stuff I have was a greyish tan that turned to brown. Haven't had any issues with it but I've only dosed it once or twice in lower doses to add a bit of introspection to a lighter psychedelic. Haven't had any issues. The 4-HO-MIPT that I have arrived very dark and has turned a dark grey, almost black. Still works beautifully and no ill effects. Tryptamines can range widely in their appearance even if it's a quality batch.

The nausea you're getting could just be the nature of the experience. It could also be set and setting. You may be going in expecting nausea and it could be a self-fulfilling prophecy of sorts.

I have noticed that synths have been getting worse and worse in recent years. Back when I entered the RC scene around 2012, most chems we're high quality, high purity and not to mention extremely cheap. I usually buy dissociatives these days and the product does seem to be getting worse and worse, not to mention prohibitively expensive. The fact that RC's used to be much cheaper than street drugs was a selling point for a lot of people. Now I end up paying $15-$20 a dose for an RC when I could get street drugs much cheaper. I tend to prefer RC's so I still do it but it sucks sometimes.

Is that in the US? In the UK all 4aco is just the shit grey stuff with massive nausea. Its definately the synth or the cut - on real 4aco that was available 5 years ago theres very little nausea even up to 200-300mg range.

 

[Ismene2]

Yeah, I've never had nausea from it, and I've never ran across a batch of 4acodmt I didnt like, or that made me nauseous. It's my favorite tryptamine for sure.

I got a small sampler from a guy recently... but its in a solution. The liquid is like brown though? I'm wondering wtf the solvent is lol. Going to get a g though from him if it is good, although I have a couple options if it's not great.

You in the US? Its a different world in the UK - just grey stuff with vicious nausea. No way in hell you could take even 50-100mg without vomiting and terrible nausea for hours.

 

[Esperighanto]

Un til there's a proven difference in this product (identifiable synthesis byproduct, others needing to dose higher too, etc) I'm suspecting that what's changed may be you instead of the product.

 

[Ismene2]

Un til there's a proven difference in this product (identifiable synthesis byproduct, others needing to dose higher too, etc) I'm suspecting that what's changed may be you instead of the product.

Nah - I know 4-aco like the back of my hand. It was my favourite drug. It's shit synthesis 100%. Won't be many people in the UK who can tell the difference because the grey has been the only shit you can buy in the UK for the last 4-5 years.

Good luck finding an identifiable synthesis byproduct!

 

[Shinji Ikari]

How recently have you seen tan/white 4aco? That in the uk?

I think the white stuff was 2021 and I came across some gray tan stuff earlier this year. I haven't experienced nausea with either but the most I've taken at baseline tolerance is 30mg.

I've taken up to 100mg of the tan stuff with a tolerance and no nausea bodyload etc.

4-ho-met has been bit rougher for me in terms of bodyload but I don't know whether that's down to impurities or whatever or if it's just how I respond to the drug. I've experienced digestive issues and bladder irritation with two different batches of that drug, but no nausea.

 

[Shinji Ikari]

But really, dancing on 300mg of 4-aco-dmt how even the what? I don't know how you can even have a concept of what legs are on a dose like that, much less dancing.

 

[Esperighanto]

Nah - I know 4-aco like the back of my hand. It was my favourite drug. It's shit synthesis 100%. Won't be many people in the UK who can tell the difference because the grey has been the only shit you can buy in the UK for the last 4-5 years.

Good luck finding an identifiable synthesis byproduct!

Identifying synthesis byproducts isn't that tough, but bear with me for a moment. Imagine the year is say, 2006. The "good 4-AcO-DMT" is all that's around, hypothetically, and you and your friends all dose it in say, 15-25mg intervals. Now fast forward to today, where people still report 4-AcO-DMT is dosed the same, except for you. It reminds me a lot of the "What's wrong with MDMA nowadays?" thread's logic where people can't believe that something as dynamic as a human brain can change over time, whereas a molecule remains a molecule remains a molecule.

I've come across gray, white and tan 4-subbed tryptamines, psilacetin included, all of these things are dosed normally and you're seemingly the exception.

 

[Ismene2]

Identifying synthesis byproducts isn't that tough, but bear with me for a moment. Imagine the year is say, 2006. The "good 4-AcO-DMT" is all that's around, hypothetically, and you and your friends all dose it in say, 15-25mg intervals. Now fast forward to today, where people still report 4-AcO-DMT is dosed the same, except for you. It reminds me a lot of the "What's wrong with MDMA nowadays?" thread's logic where people can't believe that something as dynamic as a human brain can change over time, whereas a molecule remains a molecule remains a molecule.

I've come across gray, white and tan 4-subbed tryptamines, psilacetin included, all of these things are dosed normally and you're seemingly the exception.

Which country are you in? I'm talking about the UK here. There hasn't been any tan/white for years.

Are you saying if someone gives you shit coke you can't tell the difference from real coke? It's just your body chemistry that changed?

You think the same drug can have me up dancing for hours - literally hundreds of times - and then a couple of years later my body chemistry has changed to the extent I'm unable to move after taking a tenth of the dose I used to take? That takes some believing. I think it's just shit 4-aco.

 

[Esperighanto]

Which country are you in? I'm talking about the UK here. There hasn't been any tan/white for years.

Are you saying if someone gives you shit coke you can't tell the difference from real coke? It's just your body chemistry that changed?

You think the same drug can have me up dancing for hours - literally hundreds of times - and then a couple of years later my body chemistry has changed to the extent I'm unable to move after taking a tenth of the dose I used to take? That takes some believing. I think it's just shit 4-aco.

The psilacetin I own is from England specifically, yes. It's tan/gray looking, vaguely sand-like in texture, but I also have notoriously intense color blindness. I personally view psilacetin as garbage relative to miprocin.

In reference to the cocaine comparison, I'm saying that if somebody gives me coke in 2006, and my friends and I do it and we all love it, then somebody gives me coke in 2016 and my friends and I do it and they all love it just the same but only I need more, then what's changed is obviously me. People consistently overestimate the consistency of experience generated by a drug, especially psychedelics. The overwhelming amount of people who think that there's "clean acid" and "dirty acid" are a great example of this foolishness. Have you given any of this "shit 4-aco" to others yet to get their takes, trying not to bias them beforehand? May be valuable info.

I've used drugs like ayahuasca and 2C-B hundreds of times, and I can still come across totally novel experience from them. I don't get why people would expect psychdelia to be any other way, personally.

 

[Ismene2]

The psilacetin I own is from England specifically, yes. It's tan/gray looking, vaguely sand-like in texture, but I also have notoriously intense color blindness. I personally view psilacetin as garbage relative to miprocin.

In reference to the cocaine comparison, I'm saying that if somebody gives me coke in 2006, and my friends and I do it and we all love it, then somebody gives me coke in 2016 and my friends and I do it and they all love it just the same but only I need more, then what's changed is obviously me. People consistently overestimate the consistency of experience generated by a drug, especially psychedelics. The overwhelming amount of people who think that there's "clean acid" and "dirty acid" are a great example of this foolishness. Have you given any of this "shit 4-aco" to others yet to get their takes, trying not to bias them beforehand? May be valuable info.

I've used drugs like ayahuasca and 2C-B hundreds of times, and I can still come across totally novel experience from them. I don't get why people would expect psychdelia to be any other way, personally.

Yeah I get your point but it wasn't that long between me having good 4aco and bad- the first time I encountered grey 4-aco I instantly thought "What the fuck is this shit?" - and that was only a few weeks after using the last tan/white batch. The first batch I ever had was from Germany - that was fucking incredible. I think it was pure white. Blew my head clean off.

But all is not lost - psilocybin chocolate has hit these shores. Incredible life-changing stuff.

 

[Esperighanto]

Yeah I get your point but it wasn't that long between me having good 4aco and bad- the first time I encountered grey 4-aco I instantly thought "What the fuck is this shit?" - and that was only a few weeks after using the last tan/white batch. The first batch I ever had was from Germany - that was fucking incredible. I think it was pure white. Blew my head clean off.

But all is not lost - psilocybin chocolate has hit these shores. Incredible life-changing stuff.

God, psilocybin containing chocolate was the first serotonergic psychedelic I'd ever consumed, that shit is highly irregularly dosed in most cases. If you have any questions about growing fungi, don't hesitate to DM, or just check out the shroomery.

 

[Shinji Ikari]

You think the same drug can have me up dancing for hours - literally hundreds of times - and then a couple of years later my body chemistry has changed to the extent I'm unable to move after taking a tenth of the dose I used to take

Hundreds of times? How often were you taking it?

Maybe it was some combination of tolerance and familiarity that allowed you to be functional on such a high dose? And after abstaining for a couple of years it put you on your arse because the novelty had returned.

But all is not lost - psilocybin chocolate has hit these shores. Incredible life-changing stuff

I have neither the inclination nor the means to prove it, but all the same I'd put money on those bars containing nothing but 4-aco-dmt, or maybe 4-ho-met.

I'd be surprised if they contained actual mushrooms and some combination of stunned shocked and flabbergasted if a single bar turned to to contain genuine synthesised psilocybin.

 

[Ismene2]

God, psilocybin containing chocolate was the first serotonergic psychedelic I'd ever consumed, that shit is highly irregularly dosed in most cases. If you have any questions about growing fungi, don't hesitate to DM, or just check out the shroomery.

I know - but no chokiing down loads of capsules. Just a quick bite into a nice choccy and away you go. I was crying this morning saying thank you to the universe. If I can get a regular supply of psilocybin chocolate this completetly changes the trajectory of my life.